KR Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons - The industry’s business model has hardly changed since the 1960s

https://www.economist.com/asia/2022/12/08/japanese-manga-are-being-eclipsed-by-korean-webtoons (https://archive.vn/aesfl)

Lee hyun-seok grew up in South Korea addicted to Japanese manga series such as “Dragon Ball” and “Slam Dunk”. As soon as he could, he emigrated to Tokyo to build a successful career as a manga artist and editor. Then in the early 2000s came “webtoons”, a South Korean cartoon innovation optimised for smartphones. Mr Lee was at first unimpressed. Compared with manga’s inventive graphic styles and sophisticated plots, he found webtoons crude and superficial. “I thought: ‘Anybody can make this’.”

Yet Japanese manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons. Last year the manga print market shrank by 2.3% to ¥265bn ($1.9bn). The size of the global webtoons market was meanwhile valued at $3.7bn—and projected to reach $56bn by 2030. Manga are gravitating to digital slowly, in part because they are still designed for print, so awkward to read on smartphones. The letters tend to be too small and the way the panels are laid out requires constant zooming in and out. Seeing which way the wind was blowing, Mr Lee abandoned manga for the webtoon industry in 2014.

Though webtoons such as “Itaewon Class” and “Solo Levelling” have become popular among Japanese consumers, most Japanese publishers have stuck doggedly to manga. “The Japanese industry is very conservative,” sighs Mr Lee. “There’s a strong belief that it’s better to stick with precedent.” The manga industry’s business model, in which stories are first published in weekly magazines and then in books, has hardly changed since the 1960s.

Their format is also sacrosanct. Japanese manga hew to unique templates which require special knowledge of readers, such as the order in which panels must be read. “The only people who know how to read manga are Japanese, Koreans and geeks across the world,” says Iwamoto Keita, who runs a cartoon studio. Webtoons have grown so fast, in part, because they can be read more easily and intuitively.

It is tempting to see the way manga traditionalists are ceding the global cartoon market to South Korean innovators as symbolic of a broader malaise: the sluggishness and introspection of too many Japanese firms. Other recent South Korean exports, such as the Netflix sensation “Squid Game” and bts, a boy band, have taken the world by storm thanks to the same combination of innovation and smart marketing behind webtoons. Meanwhile, the “Cool Japan” strategy of the government in Tokyo, intended to emulate that Korean success, has been a flop. Having run up huge losses, it may soon be abandoned.

And yet, by sticking to what it does best, the manga industry has at least maintained its strengths. Its complicated layouts can convey sophisticated narratives. And many manga are artistic wonders, with designs manipulated at the millimetre level. Witness the intricate ink drawings in “Vagabond”, an epic martial-arts series, or the surrealist illustrations of “Berserk”, a medieval fantasy. By contrast, complex plots with dramatic twists are hard to convey in webtoons, which can display only a limited number of words. “I doubt webtoons would ever trump manga in terms of quality,” says Mr Iwamoto.

With their strong stories and craftsmanship, manga maintain a loyal domestic audience, which gives publishers little motivation to innovate or change. Growth in their core business may be flagging; yet they can still find opportunities to boost revenues through anime adaptations, or by collaborating with businesses that create manga-themed merchandise. Shueisha, the publisher that produced “Demon Slayer”, a recent hit manga and anime, had record sales in 2021. “There’s not much of a sense of crisis among Japanese publishers,” observes Nakayama Atsuo, an entertainment-industry expert.

Some still fret about the future. Japan’s manga fans are, like all its population, ageing. The average reader of the Weekly Shonen Magazine, a manga anthology for children (shonen means “young boy”) launched in 1959, is now over 30. “Manga could end up as old people’s culture,” warns Mr Lee. “Children these days are scrolling through webtoons on their smartphones. Why not make something that suits their taste?”




Is this a nothingburger? Weebs on suicide watch?
 
Not a nothingburger, but also not something that seriously threatens them in the near term.

Really the biggest difference is in the business model, for manga digital is just a loss-leader to get people to buy the books, for webtoon the content is directly monetized and is designed for a digital medium first and foremost. Anyone who has tried reading manga on a phone will know it’s absolute cancer. Honestly I’d say they’re right to be worried, and it might not be a terrible idea to start a Webtoon-style digital imprint that publishes stories designed for phone screens rather than tankobans. But this isn’t going to kill the manga industry in the next 10 years.

It’s good that they’re seriously thinking about their competition though, unlike the absolutely clueless American comic publishers.
 
Japan is adapting, making some of their own comics in the continuous strip webtoon format. For example, Maou App de S-kyuu Hunter ni Naremashita. Low quality art and story, and using the "hunter vs. monsters that invaded Earth" theme that has been popular in Korean webtoons.

I bet Korean cartoons have better writing and art
Some of them have cool looking art, some are just shart. There's a lot of copying of each other, just like in Japan. Everyone wants to have their own "Solo Leveling".

Korean shart example: Auto Hunting (not to be confused with Auto Hunting With My Clones).

Solo Spell Caster (The Lone Spellcaster) is another one I recall being junk.
 
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I bet Korean cartoons have better writing and art
The weebs on HN have shared a few of these.







I agree that they're basically built for endless scrolling, and the art and colors are comfy enough.



Interesting, so this format has been around for quite a while.
 
As an aside: manhwa has a rape problem.

Not all, of course. But, it sticks out pretty hard. Even the women are raping.

NTR is also popular among South Koreans, I've started to hear? Given the aforementioned rape problem and the popularity of NTR in the adjacent Japan, I can see that... but I couldn't tell you why.

Honestly I’d say they’re right to be worried, and it might not be a terrible idea to start a Webtoon-style digital imprint that publishes stories designed for phone screens rather than tankobans.
If that involves a panel a page, I can't tell you that sounds palatable. Part of my bias is that whenever I've tried reading a Korean webtoon, I've done it on a computer instead of a phone, so I often have to next-page to get the other half of a speech bubble-- but putting that aside, it comes off as a bit inelegant versus multiple panels on a page like a standard comic (which necessitates effort in its own right, regardless of its own issues).

We must nuke South Korea.
No can do, the powers that be in America need South Korea as a cultural testing ground.

(Expect cuckoldry to be the hip new fetish among nerds after their dommy mommy and tomboy crazes.)
 
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As an aside: manhwa has a rape problem.

Not all, of course. But, it sticks out pretty hard. Even the women are raping.

NTR is also popular among South Koreans, I've started to hear? Given the aforementioned rape problem and the popularity of NTR in the adjacent Japan, I can see that... but I couldn't tell you why.
It seems to me that Koreans are basically following along with Japanese trends with some digital changes (read: they're obsessed with MMOs, so half their stuff is like MMOs). Like from what I can tell they also have a similar fujo development problem?

Though I can't imagine what you've been reading where there is constant rape.
 
The webtoon format is popular among women and is (usually) more quickly drawn. A company can make a lot of webtoons at a time and make it them more quickly. There are a ton of romance webtoons weeby girls can read every day for at least 30 minutes. In my personal opinion I think the art style is usually ugly.

NTR is also popular among South Koreans,
And China. Chinese manga is full of it.
 
I bet Korean cartoons have better writing and art
Art is shit. They look more expensive because they have color, but they have infinite scroll cancer and they change artists every season so there's no fucking consistency for long term readers. When they have good art, the art doesn't stay good. When they have shit art, if the story is good enough then their derpy faces will grow on you and give the series some charm... Until the art improves and suddenly you're reading mundane trash again.

Someone's gotta love her.
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And no, having the artist change each season doesn't mean the thing they're really selling is the story and the writing is amazing. So much of it is the same uwu look at me I've been reincarnated as royalty but I'm going to die except I'm smart enough to charm aaaaaaaall the men around me especially daddy and my brothers. And yes, I know Japan does the same thing with their bajillion saintess stories, but at least they they've reached the point of experimenting with subversions as well.

On the more masculine side of things, so much dungeon crawling based regression. You know the stereotype of Koreans repeating an MMO grind so much they die in an internet cafe? That appears in their media (both masculine and feminine) as a belief that no matter how shitty a hand you draw in life, there is a way for you to win. You might have to do crazy bullshit that no sane person would do without knowledge of the future, but if you regress you will already know those cheats. (China's version is eating million year old tiger dicks to get a big dick, and Japan's version is rules lawyering your overpowered underrated skills in order to break the system).

Some Korean comics are good stories, some have good art. Unfortunately those are the minority and people consume trash. I can think of one Korean comic I would say has both good story and good art... It was originally drawn Manga style and discontinued shortly after it became a webtoon and now I'll never get a conclusion.

One thing I would like to remind everyone of is when Musk gained control of Twitter, and Japanese Twitter noticed a sudden drop in KPop shilling and conversations about Japanese media bubbled up again. I don't see any reason to assume that KPop was the only thing being artificially boosted.

Though I can't imagine what you've been reading where there is constant rape.
I don't remember any rape in it but I remember a rather feministy rebirth story about a world where women were enslaved by men because even though men are only like 2% of the population, men have magic. But it turns out that magic belongs to the women and an evil man somehow stole it from women so long ago that nobody remembers anymore.

I imagine there was a lot of rape happening behind the scenes.
 
I know there’s probably some good ones out there, but the main thing keeping me from reading any of these comics is the pay to read model that most platforms force if you want to read further.

At that point, I’d rather just have a physical copy.
 
AI art might infuse some vitality into the lower quality comics. Particularly Chinese series, but some Japanese and Korean series, have really low quality background art. Like shitty JPEGs of 3D models cut and pasted behind the characters. That would be an excellent case for using AI art. We'll see if it bubbles up towards the top and mangaka assistants start losing jobs.

I know there’s probably some good ones out there, but the main thing keeping me from reading any of these comics is the pay to read model that most platforms force if you want to read further.

At that point, I’d rather just have a physical copy.
Just read everything on MangaDex or one of the shittier sites if it's not on there. Also, pirate all Hollywood entertainment, books, etc.
 
You can hardly call such a small loss of revenue "being eclipsed". Webtoons have no paneling, the backgrounds are usually unpolished SketchUp asset screenshots, detail and quality on the art is sacrificed in exchange for bland coloring, and the stories that get popular are uninteresting.
Be civilized and read a physical book or comic.
 
A majority of Manhwa I've seen has been absolutely shit. Korean creativity in general seems rather lacklustre (Though OldBoy, Train to Busan, and Parasite were enjoyable.) I assume a significant portion of Manga are similarly terrible, as with any medium, but I've also been exposed to plenty of quality examples that provide evidence that there is plenty of talent in Nihon.

I've literally never once seen a Manhua that was any good, but I've also never seen anything of quality made by the Chinks. (Hong Kong being an exception)
 
AI art might infuse some vitality into the lower quality comics. Particularly Chinese series, but some Japanese and Korean series, have really low quality background art. Like shitty JPEGs of 3D models cut and pasted behind the characters. That would be an excellent case for using AI art. We'll see if it bubbles up towards the top and mangaka assistants start losing jobs.


Just read everything on MangaDex or one of the shittier sites if it's not on there. Also, pirate all Hollywood entertainment, books, etc.
I’ve also been reading a lot on MangaDex, but alas I’m an old school reader and if I like a work enough I’d just rather have a physical copy of it.

Speaking of art, the only Korean Webtoon art I have found to be close to impressive so far is The Abandoned Empress… but the story takes a nosedive after the first season when it stopped being about avoiding a seemingly unavoidable execution.
 
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