KR Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons - The industry’s business model has hardly changed since the 1960s

https://www.economist.com/asia/2022/12/08/japanese-manga-are-being-eclipsed-by-korean-webtoons (https://archive.vn/aesfl)

Lee hyun-seok grew up in South Korea addicted to Japanese manga series such as “Dragon Ball” and “Slam Dunk”. As soon as he could, he emigrated to Tokyo to build a successful career as a manga artist and editor. Then in the early 2000s came “webtoons”, a South Korean cartoon innovation optimised for smartphones. Mr Lee was at first unimpressed. Compared with manga’s inventive graphic styles and sophisticated plots, he found webtoons crude and superficial. “I thought: ‘Anybody can make this’.”

Yet Japanese manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons. Last year the manga print market shrank by 2.3% to ¥265bn ($1.9bn). The size of the global webtoons market was meanwhile valued at $3.7bn—and projected to reach $56bn by 2030. Manga are gravitating to digital slowly, in part because they are still designed for print, so awkward to read on smartphones. The letters tend to be too small and the way the panels are laid out requires constant zooming in and out. Seeing which way the wind was blowing, Mr Lee abandoned manga for the webtoon industry in 2014.

Though webtoons such as “Itaewon Class” and “Solo Levelling” have become popular among Japanese consumers, most Japanese publishers have stuck doggedly to manga. “The Japanese industry is very conservative,” sighs Mr Lee. “There’s a strong belief that it’s better to stick with precedent.” The manga industry’s business model, in which stories are first published in weekly magazines and then in books, has hardly changed since the 1960s.

Their format is also sacrosanct. Japanese manga hew to unique templates which require special knowledge of readers, such as the order in which panels must be read. “The only people who know how to read manga are Japanese, Koreans and geeks across the world,” says Iwamoto Keita, who runs a cartoon studio. Webtoons have grown so fast, in part, because they can be read more easily and intuitively.

It is tempting to see the way manga traditionalists are ceding the global cartoon market to South Korean innovators as symbolic of a broader malaise: the sluggishness and introspection of too many Japanese firms. Other recent South Korean exports, such as the Netflix sensation “Squid Game” and bts, a boy band, have taken the world by storm thanks to the same combination of innovation and smart marketing behind webtoons. Meanwhile, the “Cool Japan” strategy of the government in Tokyo, intended to emulate that Korean success, has been a flop. Having run up huge losses, it may soon be abandoned.

And yet, by sticking to what it does best, the manga industry has at least maintained its strengths. Its complicated layouts can convey sophisticated narratives. And many manga are artistic wonders, with designs manipulated at the millimetre level. Witness the intricate ink drawings in “Vagabond”, an epic martial-arts series, or the surrealist illustrations of “Berserk”, a medieval fantasy. By contrast, complex plots with dramatic twists are hard to convey in webtoons, which can display only a limited number of words. “I doubt webtoons would ever trump manga in terms of quality,” says Mr Iwamoto.

With their strong stories and craftsmanship, manga maintain a loyal domestic audience, which gives publishers little motivation to innovate or change. Growth in their core business may be flagging; yet they can still find opportunities to boost revenues through anime adaptations, or by collaborating with businesses that create manga-themed merchandise. Shueisha, the publisher that produced “Demon Slayer”, a recent hit manga and anime, had record sales in 2021. “There’s not much of a sense of crisis among Japanese publishers,” observes Nakayama Atsuo, an entertainment-industry expert.

Some still fret about the future. Japan’s manga fans are, like all its population, ageing. The average reader of the Weekly Shonen Magazine, a manga anthology for children (shonen means “young boy”) launched in 1959, is now over 30. “Manga could end up as old people’s culture,” warns Mr Lee. “Children these days are scrolling through webtoons on their smartphones. Why not make something that suits their taste?”




Is this a nothingburger? Weebs on suicide watch?
 
I've read decent manhua, but webtoons suck unless you're into trashy porn.
The coloring isn't ever great, the characters tend to either be flat or cunts, the scrolling gets annoying, the Korean wankery never stops.
Solo Leveling's is a revolving door of "wow Korean mc strong" and the mc has no personality outside powerfagging, even compared to isekai/battle harem self inserts, at the least they tend to have a "straight man" vibe going on.
I'd go as far as to say the Chinese are a bigger threat because their shit can actually be good and they somehow manage to wank about their country less.
 
Webtoons are great. I have been reading them for a years.
With every type of content you get garbage, but for the most part it's good. Also depending on the artist you can have basic art, or fantastic art.

Webtoon's are made for the phone, so keep that in mind if you are reading it on the computer.

PS. Korean Webtoons are good. American Webtoon are dogshit.
If the author does not have a Korean name skip it.
 
One thing I would like to remind everyone of is when Musk gained control of Twitter, and Japanese Twitter noticed a sudden drop in KPop shilling and conversations about Japanese media bubbled up again. I don't see any reason to assume that KPop was the only thing being artificially boosted.
That honestly sounds like some garbage from spastic Japanese netto-uyoku (essentially the equivalent of /pol/tards in the West), because Korean soap operas and all that shit was popular in Japan way before Twitter became a thing there, and I think I heard something about a recent anime adaptation of a Korean webtoon (Korean webtoon adaptations themselves having become increasingly common over the years).

The anime industry in general has become more "internationalized" and "globalized" than it has ever been, so don't think for a moment we won't see further adaptions of Korean or even Chinese works.
 
That honestly sounds like some garbage from spastic Japanese netto-uyoku (essentially the equivalent of /pol/tards in the West), because Korean soap operas and all that shit was popular in Japan way before Twitter became a thing there, and I think I heard something about a recent anime adaptation of a Korean webtoon (Korean webtoon adaptations themselves having become increasingly common over the years).

The anime industry in general has become more "internationalized" and "globalized" than it has ever been, so don't think for a moment we won't see further adaptions of Korean or even Chinese works.

Except in K-dramas or Chinese dramas

 
That was a grift. Buying from Japan is hard and has been made harder by the covid shipping cockblock. Licensing anything Japanese is also hard.

Here, I'll quote wikipedia:
Here we go
  • 2014
  • Traditional Japanese crafts showcased at Maison & Objet, the world's largest trade fair for interior goods and designs, to promote Japan's monodzukuri (manufacturing) culture.
It's expensive home decor for faggots. Lmao.
  • WakuWaku Japan, Japanese satellite television channel that broadcasts Japanese programs to overseas viewers in Asia. It was a joint venture with broadcaster Sky Perfect JSAT who contributed ¥6.6 billion out of ¥11 billion, but failed to expand in multiple markets and generate viewership, with nearly ¥4 billion losses until 2017.
In Indonesian (love Japs but 788 USD median wage), Mandarin (hate Japs), and English. Who was supposed to subscribe?
  • 2015
  • METI starts Nippon Quest, a website to showcase and disseminate unknown Japanese regional specialties to the world.
"National cuisine, goods and activities". What is this supposed to sell and how?
  • US cafes focused on Japanese tea, on which was spent ¥250 million for nearly 50% stake.
  • Funding of the development of content creators for anime and manga outside Japan by KADOKAWA Contents Academy Co., Ltd.
This is exactly the opposite of what people want.
  • 2016
  • Isetan the Japan Store, a joint venture with Isetan to make a five-floor department store in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to promote Japanese goods and services. However, lack of demand resulted with a loss of circa $4.5 million, and all Cool Japan Fund shares sold to Isetan Mitsukoshi Holdings.
Not a completely terrible idea, given that Malays love Japs, except:
Jap median wage: 4'730 USD
Malay median wage: 518 USD

  • 2018
  • The first investment with new management was $12.5 million in Tastemade, becoming a minority shareholder, to support making of content promoting Japanese food and destinations.
Again, "food and destinations".
  • 2019
  • Cool Japan Fund invests US$30 million in American anime licensing company Sentai Holdings, aiming to provide support at the copyright level, and increasing the presence of anime in North America. On September 30, 2020, the Cool Japan Fund made an additional US$3.6 million available, stating that Sentai had achieved better financial results in 2019 compared to 2018, with plans for medium and long-term growth, and strategic changes following the COVID-19 pandemic.
Sentai's been sold, and I have much better ways to spend my scarce internationally-liquid money these days, but back when I might have subscribed, Sentai specifically were utterly ass about geoblocking, even though they had the mandate to destroy it.


Lmao what. Just going on Mangadex and looking at the covers, I see a front page full of isekai garbage, and I can't tell which of those are jap, chink or gook. I've seen a lot of manga that's 'shopped rather than drawn, shat out onto the page with no regard for quality of the individual frames or composition.


ChatGPT.

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PS. It just occurred to me, that now that ChatGPT exists, we humans can recognize each other in the grand necropolis of the Internet by saying "nigger". Someone recently posted the "minimal Turing test": you and a machine say one word to convince the jury you're human, the loser is destroyed. The winning word is "nigger".
People often seem to forget that Japan got interest from "the West" (including the first waves of Japanophilia) in the first place because it industrialized and (partially) Westernized the first and fastest out of all the East Asian nations, meaning that it had just the right combination of familiarity and "exoticness" to appeal to Westerners, and had a head start in exchanging their culture outside of the East Asian cultural matrix. But the Meiji Restoration was a long time ago, and the socio-economo-political conditions of the world have changed drastically since then.

Modern Japanophilia is primarily kept aloft by Japanese pop culture media (including cartoons, comics, video games, and other varieties of "nerd" media). People aren't really interested in Japanese culture, but rather in Japanese products and aesthetics. While it may seem paradoxical (and even hypocritical) at first, it is entirely possible to voraciously consume a country's products while otherwise hating everything else about that country (up to and including that country's very foundations). Ergo, just because someone "likes anime" doesn't necessarily mean that they particular care for or about Japan, except in the very abstract sense of "the country that produces all the cartoons and comics I like" or "the country with the pretty pink trees" or "the country that samurai came from" or "the country that America nuked twice".

I think this decade, and next few decades, will prove very interesting in terms of pop culture, as South Korean webtoons are likely to constantly refine themselves (a market of modern-age pulp fictions and penny dreadfuls being inherently ultra-competitive), manga is likely to continue stagnating (it doesn't bode well that the average age of Shonen Jump readers in Japan is around 30), the US might purge wokeshit from its pop culture, and other countries might even be able to emerge into the "global pop culture" consciousness as well (such as India, the Philippines, or even Nigeria).

I've read decent manhua, but webtoons suck unless you're into trashy porn.
The coloring isn't ever great, the characters tend to either be flat or cunts, the scrolling gets annoying, the Korean wankery never stops.
Solo Leveling's is a revolving door of "wow Korean mc strong" and the mc has no personality outside powerfagging, even compared to isekai/battle harem self inserts, at the least they tend to have a "straight man" vibe going on.
I'd go as far as to say the Chinese are a bigger threat because their shit can actually be good and they somehow manage to wank about their country less.
Japan has done mentally masturbatory "Japan strong" stuff in the 60s all the way to the 90s too, you just don't see it as often because it's not called out as much, and overtly nationalistic Japanese comics and cartoons rarely become popular or noticed outside of Japan itself (or popular for too long regardless, anyway).
 
Ah, I should have clarified - I meant Korea is copying Japan with their own twists due to their MMO-obsessed and chaebol-centric culture.

As for the second thing - you know what, I don't doubt you. Not sure what it is about Asians and rape but God damn is it prominent.
Manhwa also really displays South Korean insecurity about their tiny penises. Maybe those Comfort Women really did just want Bigu Japanese Cocku or whatever the Japanese claim. As for rape, I think it comes down to Japan LARPing as a High Trust country, but they're not quite at the same level as the West. I don't know about Korea, but I remember reading something about one of their erotic manhwas having some chick continuing to hang out with a guy who tried to rape her multiple times. Maybe it's a Korean thing, because of their small penises. Like India.
 
@Iwasamwillbe
I know Japan wanks, but only in korean webtoons have I found myself reading an office romcom and the female lead suddenly drops about how she wishes for the glorious reunification of both koreas in the middle of a chapter.
Japan wanking amounts to "Japanese food is godly, samurai spirit" which at least, comes with recipes attached.
I mean it’s also not uncommon for Japan to inexplicably be a world superpower, or otherwise just being the center of the international world.

Sometimes it’s vaguely justified by the lore (in Evangelion and Darker than Black the giant alien macguffin just happens to have landed in Japan, and study of it is necessarily localized by its size), but other times it’s completely inexplicable (in Jujutsu Kaisen, people with magical powers only exist in Japan for… reasons).

On a surface level you could say it’s no different from how American media portrays America, but when we do it, it’s at least reflective of reality.
 
Japan wanking amounts to "Japanese food is godly, samurai spirit" which at least, comes with recipes attached.
Honestly if you watch a Japanese show about food, food is the answer to everything. You're hungry? Cook something. You're stressed? Cook something that reminds you of childhood. Friend moving away? Cook something you ate together at the zoo a decade ago. Got raped? Look if you can just cook the right thing, you'll be able to express your feelings to the rapist and he'll see the error of his ways and turn himself in.

Same idea with music and courage and dancing and whatever the theme of the story you happen to be consuming is.

The wank can get cringe, but no more cringe than any non-nationalistic cringe already is.
 
Korean stuff absolutely pales in comparison to Japanese stuff in terms of both writing and art, but the article is correct that the Japs hate changing their business model and this competition is good for them. I don't see manwha usurping manga or anime any time soon but will occupy a lesser but significant space in the industry. The real question is what country will become the next animation sweatshop now that Korea has paid it's dues?
 
I'm reminded of how a scanlation group decided that they wouldn't be dropping Yomi no Tsugai after seeing that the business model for MangaUp was-- in effect-- designed by a loanshark.

Not sure if the Japanese overall have the same level of sense, but if they're trying to compete with webtoons or expand the relevancy of manga, they... could consider not hiring loansharks to design their business models for online distributions.

@Iwasamwillbe: you have a point. There's probably much room for improvement on the Korean front, especially in terms of storytelling.

Manhwa also really displays South Korean insecurity about their tiny penises.
Is that why they always have ghost penises?
I don't know about Korea, but I remember reading something about one of their erotic manhwas having some chick continuing to hang out with a guy who tried to rape her multiple times.
Happens the other way around, too. Like, the guy will literally describe that what she attempted was rape and the only reason he restrains himself is because he knows for a fact that he can turn her into dust if he actually tried to resist.

They still go out.

As @Iwasamwillbe said, manhwa are positioned to refine themselves. Maybe one of them can make a story where there's a good reason why you would still want to hang out with your repeat rapist. Maybe that'll be their Go Nagai-tier contribution to the industry.
 
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The anime industry in general has become more "internationalized" and "globalized" than it has ever been, so don't think for a moment we won't see further adaptions of Korean or even Chinese works.
One of the bigger animes of the year was an adaption of a Polish videogame set in a universe written by an American.
Besides, Japan has a long history of outsourcing animation work to cheaper Korean studios. So it's not like Anime being an international effort is a new thing
 
Sadly fujos are universal. Not even China has been able to get rid of them despite their censorship of all things homo.
Fujoshi stuff has been getting near mainstream popularity lately. They're not bad at all, personally imo.
Its silly to think that Link Click and Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation weren't hits, even with the handicap.
As far as I know there's been an effort to branch out into seinen since most bl work has that vibe, The Summer Hikaru Died being a recent hit.
 
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It seems to me that Koreans are basically following along with Japanese trends with some digital changes (read: they're obsessed with MMOs, so half their stuff is like MMOs). Like from what I can tell they also have a similar fujo development problem?

Though I can't imagine what you've been reading where there is constant rape.
Koreans were obsessed with MMOs well before Japan. There's a reason Korean MMO is a derogatory term among MMO players.
I’ve also been reading a lot on MangaDex, but alas I’m an old school reader and if I like a work enough I’d just rather have a physical copy of it.

Speaking of art, the only Korean Webtoon art I have found to be close to impressive so far is The Abandoned Empress… but the story takes a nosedive after the first season when it stopped being about avoiding a seemingly unavoidable execution.
If you want a korean webtoon with actual good art and a pretty good storyline check out Legend of The Northern Blade.

On that note most korean media sucks and I'd dare say that on the whole they're worse writers than their japanese counterparts. I've enjoyed all of three korean stories(Northern Blade, Geppeto, and Threads of Time) and the vast majority are the most awful generic dreck that people mock japanese media for being.

God I wish western comics would stop sucking dick. That goes for both published stuff and webcomics. Webcomics are generally the most vacuous social politicing bullshit you ever saw. Bottom of the barrel shit like Questionable Content, which is only notable because trannies bullied the author into adding a tranny love interest.
I get the sense the site is held up by some skeleton crew, some dedicated human crawlers, and a lot of bot crawlers.

I'm reminded of an "okay, which one of you guys posted this" moment I had when reading Hatsukoi Zombie a while ago:

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They had at least one annotation purge, and also revamped the annotation system. If I'm recalling the "tsukkomi" functionality correctly, the current "danmaku" functionality that replaces it has more placement accuracy but nothing else that the tsukkomis had.
Hatsukoi Zombie is a series that confounds me. How can everyone involved in the production know the main love story sucks yet refuse to fix it whilst still using the actual popular female lead to shill covers?
For older stuff, there's also the Dekai Manga pack (which exists on Archive.org as well).

There's also a light novel pack, but I don't know if there's a non-torrent mirror.


My hypothesis about China is that their media so frequently devolves to eating ancient tiger dicks and calling the evil sister in law a black bellied whore because their speech has been so repressed for so long that they're still at the Mary Sue / Gary Stu wish fulfillment phase of their creativity. They are creative children, and I don't mean that in the good way.

My theory on Japan having so many clones but also having a few treasures is that this is a skill, there will always be beginners you can't get rid of low skill beginners but at least those beginners can get better.

My theory on Korea is that they're somewhere in between. Supposedly they aren't under a dictatorship or anything, but how separated from NK are they really? Especially considering SK keeps trying to send their media back to NK. Could NK even understand a real story?
South Korea is most definitely a dictatorship. It's not overt like NK but it's extremely restrictive and authoritarian. You see people mentioning all the rape and lewdity in korean stuff? That's because porn is outright illegal in SK.

Hell SK was literally run by a feminist cult for whoever knows how long. That place is fucked.
 
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