Is There a God? - Lol

[bbpoison]

Ray Kurzweil is my god and he says by the year 2045 we will be faster than light and one with the ephemeral tapestry.

 

[Laughs_Under_Lucricities]

Sorry, I don't buy it.

I think my biggest beef is "God" taking credit for everything that happens. By that definition, we're God.
Since only we control our lives.
I know I do.

 

[Ntwadumela]

According to my religion and what I believe yes there is a God and an afterlife. However if you're of a different belief I won't judge you.

Are @Sailor_Jupiter and I the only religious people on here
wow

You're not alone
I'm an Islam

 

[AnOminous]

Ray Kurzweil is my god and he says by the year 2045 we will be faster than light and one with the ephemeral tapestry.

I like Kurzweil's ideas to some degree, but that is about as likely as God existing. Possibly less.

 

[Eldritch]

Why does the conversation have to be "one god or zero?"

That's not even getting into all the extinct deities like the Greek, Egyptian and Viking Gods (although at least those religions realised their Gods were raving douchebags).

>Extinct
>Implying

 

[GethN7]

According to my religion and what I believe yes there is a God and an afterlife. However if you're of a different belief I won't judge you.

You're not alone
I'm an Islam

Same, I'm just Christian.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

I think my biggest beef is "God" taking credit for everything that happens. By that definition, we're God.
Since only we control our lives.
I know I do.

Well, according to Christianity, it's a limited form of omniscience. We have the free will to choose between good or evil or anything else, just God wants us to do things a certain way or consequences will suck pretty bad, according to Him.

And compared to Judaism or even Islam the bar for Christians is pretty low, probably the lowest without God just handing you eternal life for free in the next world if you please Him in this one.

And yes, while he claims omniscience, our lives are deliberately left for us to conduct as we see fit in this world, he just says the next world being harder than this one is up to him if he wasn't a fan of your choices, and what he wants is pretty straightforward and rather simple in practice.

Otherwise, if he does like your choices, your next life is super easy mode by comparison.

 

[Cheap Sandals]

There is no God in the sense of an omnipotent, omniscient being that exists and which we ought to worship. Doesn't exist. Maybe there are strong Things out there that our puny brains can't cognate, but there's nothing omniscient and nothing omnipotent. That's like saying a square circle exists. It's self contradictory if you examine it closely. Sounds pretty, makes people feel wonder, but ultimately nonsense.

If God did exist I wouldn't worship it. Worship is myopic and demeaning. If there is some stronger force that wants my obeisance it can talk to me directly. I am a self respecting adult. I see no reason why I should believe with no actual evidence present, or why I would want to worship something inhuman.

So for me, effectively, there is no God, and I firmly reject any being that claims inherent superiority.

 

[Laughs_Under_Lucricities]

Same, I'm just Christian.



Well, according to Christianity, it's a limited form of omniscience. We have the free will to choose between good or evil or anything else, just God wants us to do things a certain way or consequences will suck pretty bad, according to Him.

And compared to Judaism or even Islam the bar for Christians is pretty low, probably the lowest without God just handing you eternal life for free in the next world if you please Him in this one.

And yes, while he claims omniscience, our lives are deliberately left for us to conduct as we see fit in this world, he just says the next world being harder than this one is up to him if he wasn't a fan of your choices, and what he wants is pretty straightforward and rather simple in practice.

Otherwise, if he does like your choices, your next life is super easy mode by comparison.

Never applied to the ones I've known. They give "God" (or whoever) credit for literally everything. Even one time I merely left the house a little earlier and ran into them, who said, "Oh, thank Jesus he brought you here."
Clearly annoyed, but not wanting to be rude, I say, "No... it was me. I just got up early."
"Well, he made it so."

And other such things really left a negative impression on me.

 

[GethN7]

Never applied to the ones I've known. They give "God" (or whoever) credit for literally everything. Even one time I merely left the house a little earlier and ran into them, who said, "Oh, thank Jesus he brought you here."
Clearly annoyed, but not wanting to be rude, I say, "No... it was me. I just got up early."
"Well, he made it so."

And other such things really left a negative impression on me.

Don't take it personally is my advice, it's merely an expression of goodwill.

As Christians believe, yes, God made the world and everything in it, but he also gave us free will, so it's meant to show gratitude by others concerning you that are another creation of His and thus is a blessing on their lives, not an implication you're a mindless robot who should be taking His orders simply for existing.

And it's considered proper respect to God to thank Him for the good in your life, and for some, even the bad is worthy of thanks, as some see adversity and trial as a test of faith.

So, that said, I thank God you are here and that I got to meet you, and while you may not believe in Him, I hope that I at least prove a better example of his virtues than what has disenchanted you before.

There is no God in the sense of an omnipotent, omniscient being that exists and which we ought to worship. Doesn't exist. Maybe there are strong Things out there that our puny brains can't cognate, but there's nothing omniscient and nothing omnipotent. That's like saying a square circle exists. It's self contradictory if you examine it closely. Sounds pretty, makes people feel wonder, but ultimately nonsense.

If God did exist I wouldn't worship it. Worship is myopic and demeaning. If there is some stronger force that wants my obeisance it can talk to me directly. I am a self respecting adult. I see no reason why I should believe with no actual evidence present, or why I would want to worship something inhuman.

So for me, effectively, there is no God, and I firmly reject any being that claims inherent superiority.

Well, Christianity actually addressed that topic you mention, because God went to the extraordinary step of being born as a human, living like one, and even dying like one so He could be more relatable.

As for the whole belief part, it's called faith. I consider myself a rational person who believes in science and physical laws, but I also believe that these things were arranged by a higher power beyond my full comprehension, and while I don't have absolute proof of His existence
that is tangible in the present day, that's why they call it faith, and at the very least there is no harm in simply putting faith something is real even if you can't prove it.

And worship has many forms. Some worship by prayer and solemn reading of scripture. Some worship by joyful music and dance. Some worship by caring for the needy and bringing hope to the hopeless. Yes, it's all for the glory of God, who is considered the Christian creator of all things, but there is nothing about the concept that demands you treat worship like a solemn ritual of submission, and I often pray by having a conversation with God like I would with someone IRL.

As for the very last part, well, that's the clincher, really. Unless you're willing to accept he's the creator of all things and only through him is salvation in this life and the world beyond this one, then you probably won't buy what he's selling.

 

[Laughs_Under_Lucricities]

Don't take it personally is my advice, it's merely an expression of goodwill.

As Christians believe, yes, God made the world and everything in it, but he also gave us free will, so it's meant to show gratitude by others concerning you that are another creation of His and thus is a blessing on their lives, not an implication you're a mindless robot who should be taking His orders simply for existing.

And it's considered proper respect to God to thank Him for the good in your life, and for some, even the bad is worthy of thanks, as some see adversity and trial as a test of faith.

So, that said, I thank God you are here and that I got to meet you, and while you may not believe in Him, I hope that I at least prove a better example of his virtues than what has disenchanted you before.

Yeeeah... we're going to have to agree to disagree. I do not share that notion at all.
I don't go around forcing my Atheism on anyone like they do with theirs, even when no one asks for it.

 

[GethN7]

Yeeeah... we're going to have to agree to disagree. I do not share that notion at all.
I don't go around forcing my Atheism on anyone like they do with theirs, even when no one asks for it.

That's fair enough. I'm at least glad we got to know where we both stand, thanks for sharing.

 

[Un Platano]

All hope abandon, ye who enter here. Let ye be warned that no response to this thread exists but to not respond at all, lest ye beget :dumb:, :autism:, :powerlevel:, and :islamic:, and that shalt make thee an agnostic to this thread.

 

[Arse Biscuit]

As Christians believe, yes, God made the world and everything in it, but he also gave us free will, so it's meant to show gratitude by others concerning you that are another creation of His and thus is a blessing on their lives, not an implication you're a mindless robot who should be taking His orders simply for existing.

So an omniscient god gave primates free will and didn't see the horrible violence that would be the overwhelming majority of the behavior of those primates?

 

[GethN7]

So an omniscient god gave primates free will and didn't see the horrible violence that would be the overwhelming majority of the behavior of those primates?

I'm afraid I don't subcribe to the theory we descended from primates, but yes, we were given free will, with all that implies, by God.

And actually, if you read Genesis, he DID see that in advance, hence why he told Adam and Eve "don't eat from a certain tree" if you don't want to die. Made that quite clear.

They did it anyway, learned about evil and good and what the differences are, sin entered the world as a result, so a bunch of humans would wind up killing each other as a result of now having the desire and temptation to do so now being available to them.

And before you ask why he simply refused to NOT provide the tree, it would be like asking "why did he not prevent us from screwing up if he meant for us to have free will", to which the point is obvious, because even then humanity was given a simple choice, and he intended from the beginning to let us make up our own minds to do what He wanted or not.

We chose poorly.

Violence and death to each other by our own hand is the direct descendant of that choice.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Why does the conversation have to be "one god or zero?"

Polytheism always made more sense to me. There's no evidence for polytheism either, but a bunch of drunken gods fucking about like the universe is their plaything makes a hell of a lot more sense than one supreme dude who has our best interest at heart. The universe is too chaotic and cold to be the product of a merciful god.

 

[TheImportantFart]

I consider myself a rational person who believes in science and physical laws

I'm afraid I don't subcribe to the theory we descended from primates

 

[Cheap Sandals]

Well, Christianity actually addressed that topic you mention, because God went to the extraordinary step of being born as a human, living like one, and even dying like one so He could be more relatable.

I reject the Christan atempt because upon examination the concept of a god made flesh falls apart. It's another one of those things that sounds pretty until you actually think about it. The only way you can accept the concept of something both fully human and fully divine is if you make a special category in your brain for "stuff that doesn't make sense but I'll treat as true because it pleases me".

You know, a place for lies.

As for the whole belief part, it's called faith. I consider myself a rational person who believes in science and physical laws, but I also believe that these things were arranged by a higher power beyond my full comprehension, and while I don't have absolute proof of His existence
that is tangible in the present day, that's why they call it faith, and at the very least there is no harm in simply putting faith something is real even if you can't prove it.

The complexity of the universe in no way implies a creator. Faith isn't a virtue, it's a drug you use because you find the universe scary and you'd feel better if Daddy were in charge.

but there is nothing about the concept that demands you treat worship like a solemn ritual of submission,

Worship means the acknowledgement of one's dependence on a greater power. It can be done in an infinite number of ways, but it is what it is and it remains degrading for a self respecting sapient.]

 

[GethN7]

I reject the Christan atempt because upon examination the concept of a god made flesh falls apart. It's another one of those things that sounds pretty until you actually think about it. The only way you can accept the concept of something both fully human and fully divine is if you make a special category in your brain for "stuff that doesn't make sense but I'll treat as true because it pleases me".

You know, a place for lies.



The complexity of the universe in no way implies a creator. Faith isn't a virtue, it's a drug you use because you find the universe scary and you'd feel better if Daddy were in charge.



Worship means the acknowledgement of one's dependence on a greater power. It can be done in an infinite number of ways, but it is what it is and it remains degrading for a self respecting sapient.]

I see. That said, I totally respect your opinion on this, thank you for letting me know your position on this.

I'm well aware of the various similarities, but even a totally secular reading of history and science show the human species was far more capable of learning, evolution into what he is today, and there are so many divergent traits between the two lifeforms most similarities appear to be casual coincidence at best.

And yes, I generally believe evolution does occur at some level and has in most species throughout history.

I'm also sensing that my current stance is rather unpopular here, so I shall take this opportunity to gracefully take my leave, but I do want to thank everyone here for hearing me out at least, and I do appreciate your feedback.

 

[Arse Biscuit]

I'm afraid I don't subcribe to the theory we descended from primates,

Doesn't matter where we came from; we are primates.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

I reject the Christan atempt because upon examination the concept of a god made flesh falls apart. It's another one of those things that sounds pretty until you actually think about it. The only way you can accept the concept of something both fully human and fully divine is if you make a special category in your brain for "stuff that doesn't make sense but I'll treat as true because it pleases me".

You know, a place for lies.

See now, you say that but is it simply because it pleases the Christians? Is that the only option available?

I have no religious beliefs and like nearly everyone on the internet, I put a lot of faith in science to inform me of what the fuck is going on. So, if a Christian came up to me and asked, "You know, this whole quantum entanglement thing is kind of fucked up. Nothing travels faster than the speed of light, but two entangled bits of matter can be a galaxy apart and if you measure one and fix its state, the other one changes its state? You niggers even took a paper Einstein wrote intending to disprove this shit and added it to your own papers proving the phenomenon. How is that information being transmitted? Over what medium? How is it faster than c? Are you treating this as true because it pleases you?" I'd mumble something about everything related to quantum mechanics being insane but somehow it just works that way.

There are mysteries and contradictions involved in nearly every human endeavor because humans have an intellectual limit, along with all the other nonsense we bring to the table. So, if there was a divine, arguably a more important phenomenon than two particles talking to one another, I would imagine most information regarding it would be incomplete, contradictory or wrong simply given the limitations of the big-brained monkeys trying to interpret it.