Hunters - Serious Revisionist History and Bad Nazi Hunting

[Cyril Sneer]

I remember this quote from the director of Downfall that went something like this, "if we continue to act like Hitler was some alien monster teleported to Earth to do very bad stuff, we as a nation and a race are never going to learn from the past."

Sounds like a riff on that James Baker quote:

 

[Dom Cruise]

I never read an Eva Braun biography, but from watching Der Untergang, I got the impression that she was a pretty simple-minded hausfrau, not a scheming ideologue like Magda Goebbels or some of the other more ambitious women in the Party.

Der Untergang, a movie from a much better time for the culture in which the subject of Nazis could be handled in a realistic way without today's hysterical politics.

 

[Syaoran Li]

And here I thought wokeshit might be dying out...

I know I'm going to get a lot of Optimistic ratings for this, but I think it is starting to die out and we're entering the "violent death spirals" phase with garbage like this, the proverbial darkness just before the dawn.

Not only have the string of woke flops been piling up more in 2019 and into 2020, but you've also got the massive success of Joker and Sonic, the former of which was hit with a truly massive campaign to "cancel" the movie, only to have it become the highest-grossing R-rated movie of all time and it did so on a budget much lower than your average MCU garbage.

Sonic's success was a surprise success given the previews that came out last year, and the SJW's attacked it because it beat Birds of Prey at the box office and Paramount actually listened to their fans instead of actively insulting them and accusing them of bigotry, which has sadly become the norm in Current Year.

I do think we'll see some more woke cringe like Hunted in the early 2020's, but I get the feeling it's about to go on its way out.

Let's see if Hunted even gets renewed past its initial contract before we start jumping to conclusions.

 

[The Nothingness]

I never read an Eva Braun biography, but from watching Der Untergang, I got the impression that she was a pretty simple-minded hausfrau, not a scheming ideologue like Magda Goebbels or some of the other more ambitious women in the Party.

Even how Eva was presented in this scene from Downfall, she was probably so swept up in her loyalty to Hitler that she was in denial of the Third Reich's final days.

 

[Judge Holden]

Jesus christ all the spoilers I have read are like shit you would see in a Black Dynamite tier parody from the 00s but being spun as sthuper srs shit that "says a lot about muh society" by the spastics in charge of this project

Seriously, you have the perfectly bankable "historical nazi ratlines and historical nazi hunters" concept that can not only be adapted to screen perfectly easily but also can be just as easily used for woke posturing....and instead you do fucking *this*

Its like if they did a series about Chernobyl where the disaster was depicted as taking place in the US, in 2019, and was caused due to the radioactive elements used to power the station being acthcully oppressed blacks whipped to run on energy producing treadmills by evil white overseers who were inspired to rise up by the latest fucking star wars movie and take control of the plant, thus causing drumph to order the power plant bombed with nerve gas..... which then drifted over nearby states and mutated into the coronavirus which the US government then tried to frame the chinese for.

I mean you pile up the most absurdly absurd and inaccurately innacurate shit imaginable with the most hilariously blatant woke pandering possible and then compound it with shit that is above and beyond any parody, when you could have just as easily made something based on the actual events that can not only be used to wokebait just as easily, but will not get the Auschwitz museum people loudly calling you out for your agitprop being so fucking stupid that it will feed holocaust denial

 

[Foltest]

Man, this show sounds like it would piss me. I count myself lucky that I don’t have amazon for this.

 

[Ahriman]

Yea I guess I'll pass on this one.

Sounds like a riff on that James Baker quote:

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Technically, we didn't. (((They))) did, and perpetuate that notion. Which ultimately backfires on them because there will always be a number of people who would rather stop and think about what they keep being told since they were young, and question things.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Technically, we didn't. (((They))) did, and perpetuate that notion. Which ultimately backfires on them because there will always be a number of people who would rather stop and think about what they keep being told since they were young, and question things.

No, it's just the results of laziness. Explaining and humanizing the other side is something that is extremely rare at any film regardless of genre or what "evil" side is portrayed in it (barring more recent films who depict "misundersood" things like islamic terrorism). The nazis popularity has built them up as the ultimate baddy who aren't even seen as being able to judge moral actions, but acts as drones to the people on top.

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

Basically the Nazis were cunts, but boiling them down to that is a very childish and ultimately misdirected way of looking at their history.

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

The Kalergi plan was accelerated too fast and they're scrambling to get sympathy for shit that didn't happen. It's backfiring pretty bad.
When I was in high school my only awareness of Jews was that the girls tended to have huge tits.

It could have stayed that way.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Basically the Nazis were cunts, but boiling them down to that is a very childish and ultimately misdirected way of looking at their history.

Honestly, it would have been fine if they treated it like Wolfenstein, just made them mustachioed twirling villains and just went whole hog on the ludicrous nature of a 1970s Jew-exploitation flick viciously murdering Nazis who invaded America undercover with no historical pretenses. That's what I thought it was, with the Fargo like nature of 'BASED ON REAL EVENTS!' and pumped it up to 11. Part satire, part action, part schlock, a whole lot of fun with Al Pacino chewing on scenery.

But nope. It tries to go off 'reality' and just ends up massively failing. The problem is, if you go off reality, Nazi hunting involving murder was always VERY ambiguous. Be it Mossad or otherwise, all media I've seen treats the material with respect if it tries to take a historical route. I've never really seen such a blatant disregard for history in this way that tries to portray it as 'serious' as Hunters does. I mean, and its not for dramatic purposes either. This is blatantly being completely revisionist, derisive, trying to be serious mixed with absurd cartoon villains that are cardboard cut-outs.

Its very mean spirited, wrong-headed and just in general bad. Even so, I can't even pinpoint the woke crowd going "FUCK YES, KILL THOSE NAZIS" as one of the torture scenes has them feeding one woman literal shit. Seriously. And not comedic wise, either. There's a line or two from the comic relief, but otherwise its played completely straight. I mean, its kind of hard to get a 'fuck yes' Nazi killing moment when most of the Nazis you kill are tied up octogenarians. I honestly cannot convey how tonally bad this series is, as its one of the worst series in terms of tone that I've honestly ever seen. Its so bad I've struggled to describe it. Even if you disregard all the bad history, the tone of the show just dumps it into terrible territory because its a mess. It feels like there are 5 writers who don't know what they want. It also feels like they paid Jordan Peele to have his name on it, because his influence seems to have stopped and started at adding random commercial sketches and have the writers figure them out.

They'd be pure idiots to pay for a sequel for this tripe, but since they kill Al Pacino, because who the fuck didn't see that coming it will be a lot cheaper.

 

[Burning Fanatic]

Very good writeup on the show @Secret Asshole. Trailers had me wondering what it would be like, though never would I have expected it to be that bad. Yeesh.

A somewhat similar show I watched a month ago was Netflix's Daybreak (2019). I say similar in terms of the show's concept seeming pretty simple and straightforward (a nuclear attack leaves High Schoolers in a zombie-infested Mad Max-esque apocalypse), the writing was some of the absolute worst I've heard and seen in a show to date. The show constantly breaks the rule of "show don't tell", shoehorns in so much woke nonsense, and worst off has characters calling each other n00bs + referencing games like Fortnite. I might make a separate thread to talk about it, though to give you an idea of a few similarities I noticed:

Spoiler

• The protagonist, along with a few others, constantly break the 4th wall and act all snarky.
• Instead of a gameshow, there's a couple segments where a character going crazy as to imagine herself in a sitcom.
• One of the main characters is a black gay guy who wants to be a samurai.
  • His character had potential to be fun, yet the show made him out to be a pacifist that's also trying to sort out his gay relationship with one of the main jock characters.
• The main antagonist of the show, who goes by the name "Baron Triumph", is set up to look like one of the jock characters. The show later reveals him to actually be the school's principal, though it's pretty obvious from all the red-herrings set up so early on.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

The main antagonist of the show, who goes by the name "Baron Triumph",

Why, that name sounds awfully familiar. There's just something I can't really put my finger on.
Nah, must be my imagination.

Edit:Now that I think about it, this lends some credence to Mike Stoklasa's theory about that whatshisname former Borg from Star Trek: Voyager being tortured and killed in Star Trek: Picard.

 

[Terrorist]

Is human chess any more ridiculous and unbelievable than holocaust narrative mainstays like human lampshades and human soap, though? The holocaust mythos is full of gonzo, campy, tarantino-esque grindhouse shit with dubious proof. In many ways Hunters is more in the spirit of how the history is told than, say, Schindler's List.

The conventional holocaust narrative also browbeats you about how every white person is a potential hitler, and is used to Godwin any white person who doesn't act in lock step with cultural liberalism and/or zionist interests as the enabler of anudda shoah, so that's another way the show fits.

 

[wholetthegodsout]

wow, really makes you think... an Immigrant and refugee came all the way to America and played a vital in helping us land on the moon. Now I understand why democrats are for open borders!

 

[ZMOT]

The protagonist, along with a few others, constantly break the 4th wall and act all snarky.

I blame house of cards for this. you can say what you want about spacey but he nailed it and the writing was (usually) good. so it's only logical hacks try to replicate it, completely missing why it worked and how.

Something I just realized is that since Netflix and Amazon Prime and all these other streaming services run on supplying funds to their film and TV projects from a subscription where the main drawing power are classic hits like Breaking Bad and the Wire, they have no real incentive to stop making shitty Antifa/SJW content because people plug in for the shit they didn't even make.

that only works as long as they have the shit people actually want to watch. they don't really have a catalog and the stuff only stays on their platform as long as the license agreement is in effect. the main reason amazon and netflix pump so much money into "original" content is the idea that people will stick around for their stuff even if they lose everything else.
netflix already lost a good chunk of their catalog, and the whole streaming market is more competitive than ever. if all netflix and amazon can offer is a visual version of the futurama brainslug people are gonna question real quick what they pay money for (and if that money isn't better spend on another service with bigger catalog and better shows).
did netflix even make any profit by now?

 

[Stoneheart]

And that Hansel and Gretel thing is some next level "what the fuck?" bullshit, since when is a witch ever anything but a witch? To think that would be a metaphor for Jews is asinine.

Its because of the known name of the tale. there are plenty of german tales about jews...

 

[Dom Cruise]

Its very mean spirited, wrong-headed and just in general bad. Even so, I can't even pinpoint the woke crowd going "FUCK YES, KILL THOSE NAZIS" as one of the torture scenes has them feeding one woman literal shit. Seriously. And not comedic wise, either. There's a line or two from the comic relief, but otherwise its played completely straight. I mean, its kind of hard to get a 'fuck yes' Nazi killing moment when most of the Nazis you kill are tied up octogenarians. I honestly cannot convey how tonally bad this series is, as its one of the worst series in terms of tone that I've honestly ever seen. Its so bad I've struggled to describe it. Even if you disregard all the bad history, the tone of the show just dumps it into terrible territory because its a mess. It feels like there are 5 writers who don't know what they want. It also feels like they paid Jordan Peele to have his name on it, because his influence seems to have stopped and started at adding random commercial sketches and have the writers figure them out.

They'd be pure idiots to pay for a sequel for this tripe, but since they kill Al Pacino, because who the fuck didn't see that coming it will be a lot cheaper.

That sounds genuinely disturbing, it's really disturbing how deranged and hateful media is becoming.

 

[JohnDoe]

Its very mean spirited, wrong-headed and just in general bad. Even so, I can't even pinpoint the woke crowd going "FUCK YES, KILL THOSE NAZIS" as one of the torture scenes has them feeding one woman literal shit. Seriously. And not comedic wise, either. There's a line or two from the comic relief, but otherwise its played completely straight. I mean, its kind of hard to get a 'fuck yes' Nazi killing moment when most of the Nazis you kill are tied up octogenarians. I honestly cannot convey how tonally bad this series is, as its one of the worst series in terms of tone that I've honestly ever seen.

This is what really gets me. I can understand the moral reason and drive to hunt down and kill escaped Nazis in, say, the 50's or 60's. You could make a good show about a group of people hunting down these less visible monsters hiding in South America or whatever, and then draw out the tension in thrilling games of cat and mouse as the heroes try to unravel the cover story and be sure that they have found the sadistic mass killer before they pull the trigger. There could be a lot of valuable, gripping development of characters as they struggle with their extra-judicial mission to administer the death penalty to these alleged war criminals, with deep discussions about their morality and drives; is it purely justice, or revenge? What if they accidentally target the wrong man in a case of mistaken identity? What if it turns out they've found some minor player who only acted because his family and children were under threat for the SS? Can the injustices of the past truly be solved with more killing?

All this ground is pretty well-covered, but a skilled team with well written scripts could still get a lot of mileage out of the setting and basic premise. The questions posed are timeless parts of human culture; be wary with hunting monsters lest you become one, the nature of justice, the power of coercion and group-think, the promise of redemption. If you can fix the meta-narrative along these lines, you'd be golden.

Unfortunately this show, like so many others, aren't written as stories to entertain or engage in moral lessons. This is propaganda, and masturbatory propaganda at that. The authors are miserable sociopaths that try to excuse or justify their sadism by casting all their victims as being immoral monsters, claiming to have the moral high ground and thus carte blanche to engage in the most horrific acts of torture. They are so wrapped up in their own delusional narrative of being 'on the right side of history' that they believe themselves to be the heros - but most of the worst villains do, don't they? It is so deeply ingrained in them that when they express themselves and write out their fantasies with self-inserts, they cannot help but make themselves appear to be the fiendish villains that they are. Who can claim to be on the side of righteous good and carry out such horrible acts except a villain? A truly good man would simply send them along to stand before the Throne of Judgement, and refuse the temptation to sink to their evil.

I will leave you with a quote from the very witty Terry Prachett.

Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat.

They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar.

So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

No, it's just the results of laziness. Explaining and humanizing the other side is something that is extremely rare at any film regardless of genre or what "evil" side is portrayed in it (barring more recent films who depict "misundersood" things like islamic terrorism).

Not really. For decades, it wasn't unusual at all to see soldiers on the "evil" side depicted in a humanizing way in WWII movies. Even a by-the-numbers, live-action cartoon like Henry Fonda's The Battle of the Bulge made some effort to show a human side to the enemy (the German everyman character who just wants the war to end so he can go home before his son gets conscripted to fight on the Eastern Front).

The nazis popularity has built them up as the ultimate baddy who aren't even seen as being able to judge moral actions, but acts as drones to the people on top.

That's kind of a circular argument. You could say that Nazis are popular villains in large part because they tend to get depicted as drones whose moral compass is completely subsumed by their loyalty.

Meanwhile, as other forum-goers have pointed out, generations of Jewish social scientists have been obsessed with the idea that any given (Gentile) person is a latent Nazi just waiting for an excuse to start goose-stepping around and shoving Jews into ovens. Theodore Adorno and his Authoritarian Personality, Hannah Arendt and her Banality of Evil, Stanley Milgram and his "Milgram Experiment," the list goes on.

Even so, I can't even pinpoint the woke crowd going "FUCK YES, KILL THOSE NAZIS" as one of the torture scenes has them feeding one woman literal shit. Seriously. And not comedic wise, either. There's a line or two from the comic relief, but otherwise its played completely straight.

Sounds like a natural progression from that one scene in The Help where the titular domestics "comedically" feed a woman literal shit (unbeknownst to her), because ha-ha, she's racist and that means we can abuse her character with impunity.