Hunters - Serious Revisionist History and Bad Nazi Hunting

[QuokkaCaptain]

For some reason, this makes me think of Star Trek: Picard, which shows a guy being tortured to death and his eyeball plucked out, and Kathy Griffin holding up a bloody effigy of the President's severed head.

There's a stronger undercurrent of meanness in Current Year popular culture than I've ever seen before. Doesn't seem that long ago the movie Saw was considered shocking. Now we've got TV shows, aimed at the mainstream, proudly showing us torture porn.

It would be easy and glib to blame it on TDS or GooberGrape or Brexit or something but this has been percolating through the media for a while. A kind of free-floating hostility manifesting itself in all kinds of strange ways in media you wouldn't expect (Captain Marvel attacking and humiliating some guy for trying to hit on her is another one).

Dunno what to make of it, but I get the feeling from a lot of modern TV and movies that they're made by hateful, angry people, who are using mass entertainment to live out violent or degrading revenge fantasies.

There's long been a bit of this (the old trope about callous high school Chads and Stacies getting their commeupance was and is a favorite figment of nerdy and poorly socialized writer's imaginations) but it's much more overt now.

Is Hollywood full of sociopaths now? Empathy seems to be rare in the stuff they make. If they're not actively hostile, they're passive-aggressive, like Rian Johnson and his "your Snoke theory sucks" smirking and gleeful trashing of a franchise that used to be optimistic and sincere.

Well, let's be real though: It's only certain kinds of meanness and torture-porn that's being given the thumbs-up.

SAW was considered shocking because it was innocent people being tortured because some psycho was dying and got bitter that they weren't appreciating life (I mean, that was the plot for the first movie and honestly they all kind of blend together after that). Sure, some of the characters in the films were flawed or downright bad, but the filmmakers found ways to humanize them. They made the characters into recognizable people that you could feel bad for even if you didn't approve of everything that they did.

The examples you mentioned (Hunters, Captain Marvel) are decidedly different in their approach, and there's a reason for that: Our culture has worked itself into a state where they think that Actual Fucking Nazis are patrolling the streets hanging minorities, and that we are literally a few steps away from the Handmaid's Tale becoming a reality for women in the U.S. Batshit as it sounds, there are people who seem to genuinely believe that these are realities- or close enough to become realities that they feel justified in their fear. Hence... Well, literally fucking everything shitty that Antifa does; they feel justified because they've convinced themselves that their enemy is that bad and the threat is that real.

Hollywood isn't full of sociopaths: It's full of strongly biased people (or at least, opportunistic ones who want to virtue-signal) who have figured out that Certain Groups are acceptable targets for violence, which translates well to screen. Hunters can get away with it because Nazis are acceptable targets; Captain Marvel can get away with it because men who tell women to smile are evil misogynists who are Asking For It. Personally, I see it as no different than the way cultists think:

"Everyone in our group is good, and everyone outside of our group is bad. We deserve everything good we get because we have The Right Way of Thinking, and they deserve everything bad that they get because they have The Wrong Way of Thinking . Maybe I feel a little bad laughing at someone who's getting hurt because I'm not a total monster, but I don't want my fellow group members knowing that I'm sympathizing with an outsider, so I'll laugh anyway- and really, honestly, it's the outsider's fault. If they just joined my group and started thinking and acting like me, they wouldn't be getting punished for having WrongThink."

That's basically what it comes down to. I mean, think of all the movies and books that have come out that have been criticized for empathizing with bad people or trying to understand their point of view- it really does come off as that knee-jerk "DON'T BE SEEN SYMPATHIZING WITH THE ENEMY" reaction. Loudly broadcasting your hatred and total lack of empathy for the right groups with earn you praise from people who share your mindset.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

I was unfortunately exposed to this early through a survey; they wanted my feedback, and oh man, I tried my hardest to warn people about it.

Within the first 5 minutes, I knew something was insanely wrong.

This apparently ultra-intelligent and patient Nazi officer hides in plain sight for 30 years just out of the blue decides to freak out and murder everyone publicly because one Jewish woman wouldn't stop arguing with him during a family gathering. That's when I knew this wasn't a show, it was yet another agenda. All Germans are Nazis, all white people who aren't SJW are Nazis, and all Nazis are evil.

And I arduously sat through the rest of it; gray morality? Realistic depictions of history? What's that? Not in this show.

I was brutally honest in my opinion, and it's nice to know, as is the case with most surveys, they took absolutely nothing to heart and released it anyway. Enjoy your failure series.

Leave it to @Secret Asshole to cover this shit so no one else has to. Thanks, man.

RIP, Pacino's career. This was the most embarrassing he's ever been to me, and I saw Jack and Jill.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Remember in the 2000s when they could make movies about the Nazis like Conspiracy, Downfall and Valkyrie that were realistic, down to Earth and not sensationalized?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Well, let's be real though: It's only certain kinds of meanness and torture-porn that's being given the thumbs-up.

SAW was considered shocking because it was innocent people being tortured because some psycho was dying and got bitter that they weren't appreciating life (I mean, that was the plot for the first movie and honestly they all kind of blend together after that). Sure, some of the characters in the films were flawed or downright bad, but the filmmakers found ways to humanize them. They made the characters into recognizable people that you could feel bad for even if you didn't approve of everything that they did.

The examples you mentioned (Hunters, Captain Marvel) are decidedly different in their approach, and there's a reason for that: Our culture has worked itself into a state where they think that Actual Fucking Nazis are patrolling the streets hanging minorities, and that we are literally a few steps away from the Handmaid's Tale becoming a reality for women in the U.S. Batshit as it sounds, there are people who seem to genuinely believe that these are realities- or close enough to become realities that they feel justified in their fear. Hence... Well, literally fucking everything shitty that Antifa does; they feel justified because they've convinced themselves that their enemy is that bad and the threat is that real.

Hollywood isn't full of sociopaths: It's full of strongly biased people (or at least, opportunistic ones who want to virtue-signal) who have figured out that Certain Groups are acceptable targets for violence, which translates well to screen. Hunters can get away with it because Nazis are acceptable targets; Captain Marvel can get away with it because men who tell women to smile are evil misogynists who are Asking For It. Personally, I see it as no different than the way cultists think:

"Everyone in our group is good, and everyone outside of our group is bad. We deserve everything good we get because we have The Right Way of Thinking, and they deserve everything bad that they get because they have The Wrong Way of Thinking . Maybe I feel a little bad laughing at someone who's getting hurt because I'm not a total monster, but I don't want my fellow group members knowing that I'm sympathizing with an outsider, so I'll laugh anyway- and really, honestly, it's the outsider's fault. If they just joined my group and started thinking and acting like me, they wouldn't be getting punished for having WrongThink."

That's basically what it comes down to. I mean, think of all the movies and books that have come out that have been criticized for empathizing with bad people or trying to understand their point of view- it really does come off as that knee-jerk "DON'T BE SEEN SYMPATHIZING WITH THE ENEMY" reaction. Loudly broadcasting your hatred and total lack of empathy for the right groups with earn you praise from people who share your mindset.

SAW had something that was one of the earliest examples I can think of anticipating modern woke culture though and that was SAW VI in 2009 was all about healthcare, revealing that one of the catalysts for John Kramer becoming a psychopathic torturer was that he was rejected for treatment of his cancer.

That was one of the first time I can remember politics seeming very shoehorned into something.

 

[Sayon]

Lefties have a thing for torture porn since their sense of disgust is either warped or ignored.

Compare classic horror with something like SAW. Classic Horror (I'm including the likes of Alien in this) can ultimately be fit into the following categories:

A. Disgust at miscegenation both in the meaning of having one's nature warped (the Thing) and someone (especially a beautiful woman) impregnated by a monster (the Fly's remake, Rosemary's Baby, Alien).

B. Against illict behavior (see vampires like Carmilla, slashers like Jason's mom targeting thots).

C. Man shouldn't meddle in God's Domain (Frankenstein, Pet Semetary).

D. Man should accept his humanity instead of trying to be something else.

E. Man stripped of his inhibitions and the "taming" from civilization (werewolves).

F. Man stripped of his will, his intellect, and treated as just a diseased pest (zombies).

Classic Horror has what one could call a "conservative" attitude. It roots in a violation of God/Dharma/Other's order. Lefties like the ones behind Hunters don't accept the notion of such since it goes against their politics but haven't competely lost their ability to be disgusted. So they embrace torture porn.

Also, I'm sure the Leni Riefenstahl eating waste is just another form of the Jewish fixation on body filth and illicit habits associated with the lower body aka sodomy.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

The humanization is also true for holocaust films like The Pianist. But I feel like modern films don't try that with any villain, even if they aren't nazis. Though I'm not that much of a moviegoer so it might be me being uninformed.

The Nazis are easy villains because there is no moral complexity in killing them as they were unarguably the bad side in a war. Even if you discount the holocaust, they were still the aggressors with a shitty reasoning to their actions. Mind you the dehumanization of the Nazis is something that a lot of groups employ. The Americans can use them to justify their more immoral acts in ww2, other european countries can act like they were all in the 'la' resistance' and political groups can call their opponents nazis through the smallest comparisons.

There definitely seems to be a very disturbing obsession with 'Nazi' as a monolithic term for evilness in American culture today. I remember reading some Vice article about WWII soldiers and all the comments were about all Germans were Nazis and trying to humanize them is apologism. It's something that doesn't hapoen as much in Europe, perhaps because the memory of the war is a lot closer here. Even Far Left crazies tend not to conflate all the 1940s Germans with an ideology, and they prefer to use 'Fascist' because its more nebulous and less visceral.

If you read any interviews with old French or Dutch resistance members, they always refer to the Germans as 'Germans'. Not Nazis. Their motivation to fight back was that these were oppressive foreign invaders first, all the ideological stuff was less apparant and relevant. There's more of an understanding that the average German soldier and the Nazi leadership were two different things, but both were still The Enemy at the time. It makes the SJW view on them seem that more Orwellian: they've taken a historic term to refer to any wrongthinkers, and are now retroactively applying their own boogeyman image on the past. Even when people who actually lived under and fought Nazi occupation have a far more nuanced view of the subject.

It really tells us how they're basically scraping the bottom of the barrel now when they're going after the lowest ranks troops, this guy wasn't even a German, but most likely just conscripted in a hurry as he was 19 at the time and the Germans currently controlled his village

tbh the kind of Eastern European SS auxiliaries this guy belonged to were nearly always volunteers, and rabidly and brutally anti-Semitic. Entire villages in Lithuania and the like have been recorded forming militias and massacring the nearest Joo shtetl without even the slightest encouragement from the Germans. There's every indication this guy was a bad dude, he just managed to stay out of the spotlight because he was such a peripheral figure in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Leave it to @Secret Asshole to cover this shit so no one else has to. Thanks, man.

I love to shitpost and I love tearing apart really fucking terrible media. But Hunters was like one of those old Chapelle show skits where 'Keeping it Real Goes Wrong'. Sometimes you just end up with garbage like this.

 

[The Nothingness]

Does anyone else notice pop culture has seemed to exclusively viewed WWII through the European threatre? Hunters makes a big deal about Nazis hiding out in the United States via Operation Paperclip but say nothing about Japan's atrocities during the war. While guys like Tojo were tried for war crimes, the researchers of Unit 731 and the facility's commander, Shirō Ishii, were granted immunity in exchange for all their research they handed over to the US. It seems SJWs focus on the Nazis is because of their white supremacist ideology even though Tojo and other military leaders in Imperial Japan saw themselves as the superior Asian ethnicity.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

Does anyone else notice pop culture has seemed to exclusively viewed WWII through the European threatre? Hunters makes a big deal about Nazis hiding out in the United States via Operation Paperclip but say nothing about Japan's atrocities during the war. While guys like Tojo were tried for war crimes, the researchers of Unit 731 and the facility's commander, Shirō Ishii, were granted immunity in exchange for all their research they handed over to the US. It seems SJWs focus on the Nazis is because of their white supremacist ideology even though Tojo and other military leaders in Imperial Japan saw themselves as the Asian ethnicity.

That's probably because japs, chinks, and gooks are pee-oh-sees so they need and deserve every kind of protection.
Except when they aren't. If they didn't have double standards etc.
In the same vein, commie regimes usually get a pass when their massacres and failures are brought up. Same storyline could easily take place in Moscow or Yekaterinburg, but it doesn't, since commies didn't commit any war crime, no sirree.

 

[millais]

Does anyone else notice pop culture has seemed to exclusively viewed WWII through the European threatre? Hunters makes a big deal about Nazis hiding out in the United States via Operation Paperclip but say nothing about Japan's atrocities during the war. While guys like Tojo were tried for war crimes, the researchers of Unit 731 and the facility's commander, Shirō Ishii, were granted immunity in exchange for all their research they handed over to the US. It seems SJWs focus on the Nazis is because of their white supremacist ideology even though Tojo and other military leaders in Imperial Japan saw themselves as the Asian ethnicity.

Can't shit on Japan too hard, otherwise people will remember that FDR sent the American Japs into camps for a reason.

Also Japs didn't kill enough Jews to merit their villainization by Hollywood

 

[Sayon]

It's no different from how the Ottoman Turks get treated compared to Nazi Germany. It's much more acceptable to deny the former's massacres than the latter's.

 

[Homersexual]

Hearing about all this misinformation regarding the Third Reich makes me want to see a biopic that goes into Hitler himself and exactly why he was the way he was. Most movies are hands off about it and only talk about figures surrounding the man and not the man himself, which is something I've noticed going all the way back to the 2000s.

It has been done in comic form.

 

[ZMOT]

That's probably because japs, chinks, and gooks are pee-oh-sees so they need and deserve every kind of protection.
Except when they aren't. If they didn't have double standards etc.
In the same vein, commie regimes usually get a pass when their massacres and failures are brought up. Same storyline could easily take place in Moscow or Yekaterinburg, but it doesn't, since commies didn't commit any war crime, no sirree.

not even that. they didn't kill 66 quadrillions of god's chosen with the memetic word "holocaust", so they get conveniently ignored.

in other news, amazon just announced a second season. the way they're going with realism I expect them hunting some nazis on the moon this time...