Hunters - Serious Revisionist History and Bad Nazi Hunting

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They make the nazis out to be something like the Genestealer Cults in WH40k.
I remember this quote from the director of Downfall that went something like this, "if we continue to act like Hitler was some alien monster teleported to Earth to do very bad stuff, we as a nation and a race are never going to learn from the past."
 
This is giving me the same impression as For All Mankind an Apple TV shitball of a show where the Soviets beat the US to the Moon. Sounds like an interesting premise, but the show itself boils down to woman good, man bad, illegal immigrant good, historical characters that are American heroes bad.

It reeks of some kind of inferiority complex.
 
Hell Werner Von Brahn (My Gramp's hero) was actually pro civil rights)
I came looking for a thread the moment someone told me about the Von Braun thing. It’s as if these fuckwits have no concept of having no good options. The SS were watching every single R&D guy they had 24-7, and my understanding is that Werner in particular had started making what overtures he could before the war was even over. Where is that Peele hack from again? He’ll never be welcome in Alabama after that.
 
I came looking for a thread the moment someone told me about the Von Braun thing. It’s as if these fuckwits have no concept of having no good options. The SS were watching every single R&D guy they had 24-7, and my understanding is that Werner in particular had started making what overtures he could before the war was even over. Where is that Peele hack from again? He’ll never be welcome in Alabama after that.

You just reminded me of another scene, where there's this fake ad for Alabama and all the white people are Nazis and they basically go (with the rocket stuff) 'THAT REALLY HAPPENED' and basically a big fuck you to the rocket program in Alabama. Like its constantly interspersed with this nonsense, completely breaking the flow and having nothing to do with the topic at hand. What's worse, its not even funny.

Its just 'THE SPACE PROGRAM WAS BAD BECAUSE ALL THE JEWS DIED FOR IT'. That's the sort of hyperbolic stance the film takes for it. Its really fucking cringy and gets so much wrong so much of the time. Which is why I say its revisionist.

So, how was the "chessboard" scene? The one Auschwitz Memorial Museum PR staff denounced?
Was it at least entertaining, or just straight up "holocoaster" levels of insane?

I mean, it maybe runs two minutes? Its just, I don't know how to put it, cartoonish? Like the story behind it was there was this great Jewish chess player and a guard who tried to be a chess master, so he was trounced by the Jewish one. So he makes up this game where he uses human chess pieces armed with knives. Some of the women are naked and covering their chests, and you see two people get their throats slit and then the camera rises up to show like the bodies dragged off the field. But if you know chess, you're giving like 20 people knives and standing AWFULLY close to them. But at this point, the show had abandoned all logic.

I was just sort of numb at this point, because I didn't really feel anything because it tried to mix real world shit with the fake chess when there's plenty of horrific shit you can use. It was insulting, actually. To my intelligence. You're trying to use Operation Paperclip (and use it wrong), base it on realism part of the time and have a fucking Nazi Chess game with human pieces? Are you stupid? By the time I got to it, it didn't really affect me all that much because they'd already told and done so much hyperbolic shit there really wasn't any impact. I mean, if you watch the scene you might get some 'wow that's fucking stupid' vibes from it.

You have to love that they literally torture him until he pees himself. It's clearly more about humiliating the man to an audience posthumously for being on the wrong side at the wrong time rather than condemn him for any genuine crimes. This is why nobody likes or trusts lefties. If they could torture the guy right now they'd make no attempt to hide such a desire on Twitter.

There's no real attempt to understand his very complicated history. He's pretty much just wanted to make rockets and then they yell at him for making V2s, like the allies didn't do any horrific shit. To the show, he's basically a plot point.

So it's trying to be Inglorious Basterds but.. what, woke?

How do you take the fun out of killing nah-zees, you dumb fucks.

No, its more like that Eric Bana Nazi Hunter movie after the German Olympic terrorist attack made by Spielberg that asked serious moral questions and didn't psychically know that everyone they were killing was a bad person and they knew their entire backstory.
 
It's just tiring reading about this, shit and this is coming out a jew. This whole trend is based on the double think of judging an entire group for a crime of judging an entire group, without really thinking about the fact that the holocaust wasn't displayed prominently or really on the average citizen's mind considering there was a war, so the scientists might not be connected at all or were coerced into working for the nazis. It's the bizarre notion that being born later in history gives you moral and intellectual superiority over anyone before you, so you can character assassinate everyone because you know better. And it comes with the even more bizarre political intention of replacing the most pro-jewish president with a political side that is increasingly exposed in being anti-semitic (when it isn't paid by jews)).

It doesn't help that it's extremely likely any jew working on the show is someone who never followed any religeous law, married a non-jew and would be the first one in line to ditch his faith the moment it becomes the next "problematic" thing.
 
No, it was Operation Paperclip.

Holy shit, that's dumb. As in "did you know that Wernher von Braun... was a NAZI? :smug: " dumb.

So this show's about people stunning-and-bravely murdering elderly German nerds, huh? Sounds like they wanted to make a donut steal Man In The High Castle, but had shit writers who came up with a terrible premise.
 
The main character gets pissed and tortures him until he pisses himself and then he gets shot in the head.
Talk about history revision since Von Braun died of pancreatic cancer in 1977. From the trailers, I got the impression it would be a series that's "inspired by true events" (with lots of creative liberty) but from what @Secret Asshole described, it's like a cathartic show for the Punch a Nazi mob.
Edit: I just saw TV ad that said the show is "inspired by true events". Wow, just wow :stress:
 
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So, how was the "chessboard" scene? The one Auschwitz Memorial Museum PR staff denounced?
Was it at least entertaining, or just straight up "holocoaster" levels of insane?

Not only is it boring, its completely unoriginal. Not even in the 'life sized chessboard with real people' angle, which has been done to death. I mean the Nazi torture chess spin, which I think first showed up in a novel from the 1980's by Dan Simmons called Carrion Comfort. A major plot plot is that during the war a psychic vampire Nazi uses his mental domination powers to force a Jewish prisoner to play him in a game of deadly chess outside the walls of a death camp.
 
Talk about history revision since Von Braun died of pancreatic cancer in 1977. From the trailers, I got the impression it would be a series that's "inspired by true events" (with lots of creative liberty) but from what @Secret Asshole described, it's like a cathartic show for the Punch a Nazi mob.
Edit: I just saw TV ad that said the show is "inspired by true events". Wow, just wow :stress:


No you see cancer was too good for him (a line they use) and it turns out he faked his death and joined the Fourth Reich even though their plan had nothing to do with rockets or space and had no resources for him to do anything even remotely close to that.

When it said 'inspired by true events' I thought they meant the Hunters themselves, not the stupid bullshit plot. It isn't inspired at all. Its unoriginal tripe that has no idea what show it is. And they plugged sequel hooks too that are equally fucking stupid.
 
No you see cancer was too good for him (a line they use) and it turns out he faked his death and joined the Fourth Reich even though their plan had nothing to do with rockets or space and had no resources for him to do anything even remotely close to that.

When it said 'inspired by true events' I thought they meant the Hunters themselves, not the stupid bullshit plot. It isn't inspired at all. Its unoriginal tripe that has no idea what show it is. And they plugged sequel hooks too that are equally fucking stupid.
Something I just realized is that since Netflix and Amazon Prime and all these other streaming services run on supplying funds to their film and TV projects from a subscription where the main drawing power are classic hits like Breaking Bad and the Wire, they have no real incentive to stop making shitty Antifa/SJW content because people plug in for the shit they didn't even make.
 
Haven't watched it and I don't really plan to. That said, is Mengele in it, and if so is he accurately portrayed as the psychotic serial-killer sperg that he was or did they make him a super-biologist like Boys from Brazil did?
 
Something I just realized is that since Netflix and Amazon Prime and all these other streaming services run on supplying funds to their film and TV projects from a subscription where the main drawing power are classic hits like Breaking Bad and the Wire, they have no real incentive to stop making shitty Antifa/SJW content because people plug in for the shit they didn't even make.
Isn't it the same with every studio, TV network, auteur and wannabe auteur ever? "Visionary director _______ sells out [major corporation] only to have some leverage&funding for his passion project".
There was also that backlash against Crunchyroll about some shitty SJW show, uh, how many years ago?
Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime can get away with this, since they provide a (mostly) good service, even in Europe, while CR did not AFAIK.
 
Haven't watched it and I don't really plan to. That said, is Mengele in it, and if so is he accurately portrayed as the psychotic serial-killer sperg that he was or did they make him a super-biologist like Boys from Brazil did?

Nope. But they had a guy who was 'worse then Mengele'. Don't know if its true or not. I think another problem of the show, besides the revisionist history angle, is that there are too many 'big evil baddies' that are paper thin. Instead of just hunting down the SS and Gestapo with one or two cruel bastards, they throw them at you so you sort of just shrug, until you can't tell what's real or fake anymore. The Nazis are really just cartoonishly evil, there's really no backstory on what makes a man a monster, except a few very brief, inconsequential lines of dialogue. Its all very black and white, especially just as they beg for their lives.

Like, you can't really get to hate them properly, because they just throw them at you because the conspiracy bullshit is more important to the show, which wasn't even a conspiracy in the first place. Bad guys in video games are written better. And the stupid fucking twist at the end. Jesus. Its stupid and I saw it coming ten miles away.

That's a big problem too. There's no one to really 'hate'. Even Lena Olen, the bad guy Nazi leader, just spouts eugenics shit and has a shitty plot which makes no sense. Like she doesn't torture anybody or shoot anybody. We're given none of her backstory at the end for a second shitty twist: turns out she's Eva Braun. Somehow no Nazis died during the war. The main villain is American (shocker) and just a sociopath but a 'funny' sociopath. Again, he's one note. You don't know how he became involved, why, for what purpose. He's just 'crazy evil bad guy you should hate'.

I'm spoiling her 'plot', because it is unbearably stupid and you have to see it to believe it. what they're going to do is put a virus in corn syrup which will be in everything. They mention it 'targets minority communities and the inner city' but there's no guarantee it won't spread and murder everyone else. They've got this stereotypes that minorities eat junk food so only they'll die, but it makes very little sense. The characters literally say 'this will be in everything' while the Nazis say 'this will target the minorities'. Well, from reality, HFCS is in fucking everything, everywhere. Every single American consumes it.

Honestly, its funny. Because 1) It posits the inner city eats garbage, which is pretty degrading. 2) That they can somehow magically control who eats it and who doesn't and it won't spread beyond the inner city. Do they control the food makers? The distribution centers? The supermarkets? How are you going to keep a massively cheap product that will soon be ubiquitous in one place? If you put it into junk food, it will go literally everywhere and its out of your hands how companies use it. How will this help you conquer America anyway?


You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Hunters was secretly some Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers tier parody of shitty revenge movies at this point.

Its really, really not. If it is, it is TERRIBLY done. It treats its segments as something VERY serious. Like the 'Why do people Hate Jews?' game show. At the end, he goes: "Do you know how many people play this game? (Lists off everyone from co-workers to lovers to spouses). How many people play this game in their head?" Then the guy looks directly into the camera and with all seriousness goe: "DO YOU? (dun dun dunnnnn)"

Its not satire. Its an idiot's version of....something. I'm not really sure what. But its fucking re.tarded.

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There's really only one good actor I liked and that's Dylan Baker. I enjoyed his performance a lot because he was just fucking hamming it up and was just a pure asshole.

Also the main character's best friends are, no fucking joke, named literally bootyhole and cheeks.

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I know I'm posting a lot about this, but its so fucking stupid I cannot get it out of my head.
 
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Yeah, its really not even close. They forgo anything interesting to twist history
Every day we inch closer

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I never read an Eva Braun biography, but from watching Der Untergang, I got the impression that she was a pretty simple-minded hausfrau, not a scheming ideologue like Magda Goebbels or some of the other more ambitious women in the Party.
 
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