HBO House of the Dragon - Prequel of one of the most recent cultural trainwrecks

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Worst thing related to this show?

  • Fans that simply WON'T SHUT UP about it

  • Incest enthusiasts

  • GRR Martin apologists

  • Racebent characters

  • Puff pieces from the usual shill media

  • Those fucking reaction videos recorded at a bar


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I liked the episode. You really don't see a lot of media that has naval battles especially ones with swords instead of cannon.

Faith in the series has been restored for now.

Also the Black bastard stabbing the tranny to death was a bit unexpected.
I’m rooting for the black dude that killed the troon. Thank god we don’t have to put up with its troon boss all season.
 
This is also why the Greyjoys are basically being written out, as despite a slight mention of them they make Rhaenyra look bad with the sacking of Lannisport.
Dalton Greyjoy is basically Rhaenyra's tit-for-tat against the Lannisters, as he uses his fleet to attack and sack that side of the continent. It's also where Lady Johanna makes herself known as a leader; for all this series' girlbossing, they write out the women who really do make a difference. Jeyne Arryn was the Lady of the Vale and refused to marry. It's suspected she was a lesbian (from Septon Eustace) but she might just be bi. In any case, she was written to be standoffish and cold towards Rhaena, when Arryn was an ally and sympathized with Rhaenyra as she was also a woman dealing with misogynistic attacks on her character.

It looks like they took Dalton's character and shoved it onto Choob's character. I also liked how the Lyseni pirates all speak with English/Irish accents. Illyrio I could understand because he made himself a magister; Lyseni and the rest of those close to Braavos are a multitude of languages and ethnicities.

The Greyjoys were also historically the only people who wore armour on their ships because they could actually swim. Now everyone wears armour on ships when that wasn't a thing when Euron Greyjoy was slaughtering the Sand Snakes.
Gregor Clegane is more likeable and respectable as a man than the whores in House of the Dragon, at least he’s honestly a piece of shit.
Sandor. Gregor Clegane was an awful, awful person. Breaking a woman's teeth in after raping her and raping a toddler? Yeah, no. Sandor at least has some redeemable traits.
You can’t have Aegon change character between seasons. Because suddenly he’s not a lecherous freak and is just a dim but good-meaning frat boy, mourning his son and being a king unwanted and unloved by everyone. It is not a “girl power” moment when his mom turns on him, it is a very lonely and sad man getting yet another betrayal from a woman who ruined his life.
NGL, I didn't like him being a rapist. I always saw Aegon II as being a bit of a playboy who sought out sex as a means of relief from his official duties; he's one of the few Targs who actually didn't have a bone to pick with his siblings and was content whoring around and drinking. It would have made more sense to have him suffer from ED, as that would call into question the quality of his 'seed', and sour him in the eyes of the Small Council. You are correct on his characterization; he went from declaring war - that his mother pushed him into - to being a broken man after being burned on Sunfyre. Aegon in the books was still very much physically broken but hated Rhaenyra THAT much he was willing to see her burned alive.

I will say Ulf the Sot's characterization is on point: he's meant to be disloyal, a real drunken bastard (all puns intended) who got the gentlest dragon (and who ends up surviving the war). I do like Hugh and his turn into villainy after what happens to Tumbletown will be interesting to watch - if they actually show the fight. I noticed that, aside from the ship battle, they don't show actual fights anymore. In the original series, the Riverlords fight would be fully choreographed. This happened in S2 where they shirked away from actual fighting. S5 of GOT started branching away from what made the show great, but one great battle was Hardhome. If done today, you'd just see the aftermath of Jon fighting the White Walkers, and not the entire horrific transformation of the Wildlings.

Aemond kissing Alicent is just weird. People thought it was an Alys Rivers' vision - and her just saying, 'I'm a witch' and the Seedlings running away was almost Millennial-style writing - but no he just kisses her. Alicent has gone from being a vindictive woman who took power because she hated being deprived of it and throwing her son Aegon on the throne in a coup in S1 to a fanfic lesbian in S2 to more incest fanfic in S3. The Goldcloaks were meant to open the gates as they were loyal to Daemon and kept order in the city. They were overwhelmed during the King's Landing riots.

Also, is Ormund Hightower huffing some kind of drugs? I noticed the background was always blurry when he was in the foreground.
 
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Dalton Greyjoy is basically Rhaenyra's tit-for-tat against the Lannisters, as he uses his fleet to attack and sack that side of the continent.
Oh yeah, I've read Fire and Blood and there's a ton of stuff that the show doesn't get. The show is making it more complicated, but it is interesting if Fire and Blood is read as a "pro green" piece, and the show is a "pro black" one. Albeit, the show mentioning Dalton and not really including him, despite the previous categorisation of the Greyjoys is a big mistake. Especially if the show is meant to be "pro feminist".

Which is quite funny as Rhaenyra originally being cut on the Iron Throne has now been turned into her being on her period (based upon leaks which have been proven to be somewhat true, on the concurrent episode), which leads to her being awful to the other lords, such as feeding them rats.
 
Oh yeah, I've read Fire and Blood and there's a ton of stuff that the show doesn't get. The show is making it more complicated, but it is interesting if Fire and Blood is read as a "pro green" piece, and the show is a "pro black" one. Albeit, the show mentioning Dalton and not really including him, despite the previous categorisation of the Greyjoys is a big mistake. Especially if the show is meant to be "pro feminist".

Which is quite funny as Rhaenyra originally being cut on the Iron Throne has now been turned into her being on her period (based upon leaks which have been proven to be somewhat true, on the concurrent episode), which leads to her being awful to the other lords, such as feeding them rats.
Saying her bleeding on the Iron Throne because of her period is, unironically, the most sexist shit I've ever read. It basically says she really is unfit for the throne as 'tee hee, my monthly cycle makes me stupid!' is real, not a gross mischaracterization. Rhaenyra cutting herself on the throne is a literal and metaphorical sign the throne rejected her, despite all her attempts to win it. Not even Mushroom said she was irrational based on her period!
 
@Chandelier My thing with Aegon II is S1 he’s a drunken asshole, rapist superfiend.

Then in S2 he’s macho and cocky but likeable. He’s nowhere near as mean with his sister-wife as S1 Aegon was implied to be, more just accepting she’s a halfwit and was very encouraging of Aemond being the left hand to Cole being the right.

He’s not the same character and he’s the Viserys of S2, the character you come around to and root for even as their body fails them.

That messy sobbing while Alicent watches is easily the best acting of the season, it’s not “dramatic” and it’s raw in a very realistic way. If a man is gonna cry messily, he’s gonna withdraw and do it in private. Very unlike HBO to have a man act like a man would.

Aemond is just very chad and this incest nonsense is the writers pulling a Homelander/Soldier Boy and being upset that people like the cool thing. A cyclopian elf swordsman riding Godzilla and killing bitches is cool, no matter how many milf fetishes they give him.
 
Saying her bleeding on the Iron Throne because of her period is, unironically, the most sexist shit I've ever read. It basically says she really is unfit for the throne as 'tee hee, my monthly cycle makes me stupid!' is real, not a gross mischaracterization. Rhaenyra cutting herself on the throne is a literal and metaphorical sign the throne rejected her, despite all her attempts to win it. Not even Mushroom said she was irrational based on her period!
Yep, Fire and Blood makes a point of the Throne not accepting people, and this is a point of Fire and Blood with how Aegon and Rhaenyra destroyed House of Targaryen through their civil war. The dance is a tragedy, not the righteous queen taking over.

Rhaenyra being cut was her not being accepted by the throne. Maelor for instance was killed on the throne, it is not sure of what killed him, but he was found their impaled during his reign

(despite all the good he did, destroying the faith militant).

Like dang, the most pro-Rhaenyra, feminists are going to go she was on her period to justify the cruel stuff she did.

Like nah, if my girlfriend/wife was on her period, and at home I'd tell her to lay down on the couch/in bed, to watch whatever she wants and I'd make her her favourite meal. Something like Beef Ragu, or what not (albeit, I enjoy cooking a lot. It's one of my solitary calming things with music on, so I am biased in stating that).
@Chandelier My thing with Aegon II is S1 he’s a drunken asshole, rapist superfiend.
The show actually makes up Aegon's rape, the characters and all of that. Daemon is presented to have liked young kids, but not Aegon or any of the green characters. A lot of the stuff in the show doesn't make sense in the context of Fire and Blood. After the war, Aegon wanted to make a statue of him and Aemond for example, and that quite the notable excerpt. Especially with the battle of Rook's Rest being both of their efforts. If I was writing the show I would have made Aemond burning Aegon a purposeful act to save him, and have that be one of the main things he grapples with, trying to support Aegon and get him out of danger (King's Landing) as soon as possible, as with Maelor. And then have Aemond go off to fight the war, and die trying to kill Daemon (God's Eye).

But, as we all know the show writers are fucked. They gave Rhaenyra a quote from Queen Elizabeth without any of the context, none of what actually happened in her reign.
 
The men of the cast are mostly better actors as well.
Also the male characters actually get the feats of myth. Like the show makes the point every single women makes about “pregnancy being so hard,” but that’s really all they do in the show, shit out babies and whine. It’s unintentionally sexist.

Viserys bearing the weight of his condition and withdrawal for his last day, Aegon surviving the fall and burns, Aemond taming a nuke and owning his lost eye with vigor that got him respect from both his father and grandfather, Daemon cutting down giganigga, those hipster twins having the only real fight/action at the start of S2, Cole being the only real man on the Kingsguard, Otto being a genius and masterminding his family’s acension (while still genuinely liking Viserys in a way) and recently, the unit that is Black Bastard removing the rapist from the cast.

It seems girls really don’t get it done.
 
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This show is possibly the ur example that the most avowed feminists are actually seriously sexist and over-compensating.

Every major female character is utterly controlled by emotion, utterly reactive in nature, constantly has their (charitably naive, uncharitabily farcical) machinations blow up in their face. One queen is too wrapped up in ego trips and proving she's just as tough and powerful as the men (they'd be advising a king half of the time to let his knights do the fighting for him, particularly in a complicated dynastic squabble, you know, to not risk the casus beli for the war), one is just flailing to control sons who are all better politicians and leaders than her, failing miserably to start a war she pretty clearly started, shit even the man masquerading as a woman gets his entire goddamn navy sank because he was too focused on petty revenge to bother commanding it.

In isolation, each one can be an example of character flaws making them compelling. In their totality, it's just embarrassing. This whole show is that very bourgeois kind of feminism from people who've never had real problems, who don't know anything about this world or the real one, trying to twist a story of human tragedy into a female self-empowerment anthem where every poor decision made by the protangonists must either be excused by making it actually the fault of the men in their lives or an example of the universe conspiring against them for being female. It's just victim mentality run rampant. It has nothing to say of the strength of women, just that everyone's a bastard for questioning their decisions, it must be because they're women, and yet they're cramming this message into a story where everything goes wrong for everybody involved, male or female. Nobody wins in the Dance. That's the point. A garden-variety, hot off the stereotype factory line misogynist could write about how this was all caused by Alicent and Rhaenyra getting into a catfight over Mushroom's mushroom and it'd only be marginally more offensive and incoherent.



Also I'm going to rant once again, years later, that it if you are a left-wing, progressive scriptwriter, why the fuck would you make the most progressive coded character in the entire story, a random little brown girl, an absolute nobody, who through her wit and ingenuity became a dragonrider, and make her a noble? So there's family pathos behind Sheepstealer being involved in Jace's death? Because you had the actress on contract, introducing another brown girl to the story would get confusing (because you blackwashed said nobles), and just...fuck it? I strongly disagree with these people's politics and I could still write a better, more feminist adaptation of this story than them, for fuck's sake.
 
If I was writing the show I would have made Aemond burning Aegon a purposeful act to save him, and have that be one of the main things he grapples with, trying to support Aegon and get him out of danger (King's Landing) as soon as possible, as with Maelor.
Rook's Rest in the books had Sunfyre and Meleys duking it out; Sunfyre was much, much larger in the books and a formidable dragon. Vhagar's introduction doomed Rhaenys but she fought on. The way it should've happened was an accident: Vhagar, once again showing she only ever listened to Visenya, blasts Rhaenys and Sunfyre both because she can't see during the blasts of blinding fire. Aemond was cold blooded but loyal to his family. In S2, it all stemmed from Aegon laughing at him seeking comfort in a prostitute after killing Lucerys. I liked that character development but they just completely forgot about it. Aemond would've never left the Capital as he knew it was defenceless.

Maelor isn't even in this, because a butcher woman carrying his head in a sack because the mob tore him apart is too gruesome for HBO. Stormcloud, Aegon the Younger's dragon, was meant to be killed during the Battle of the Gullet. Nettles was supposed to be on Sheepstealer, and Addam of Hull, Hugh Hammer, and Ulf were originally there with their dragons, not Baela and Rhaena.
Also I'm going to rant once again, years later, that it if you are a left-wing, progressive scriptwriter, why the fuck would you make the most progressive coded character in the entire story, a random little brown girl, an absolute nobody, who through her wit and ingenuity became a dragonrider, and make her a noble?
They probably saw that Nettles was a young girl "riding" her uncle, who was 39, as too creepy, even when they could have easily hired an adult actress to play her like they did Missandei and Irri.

I also noticed the random black soldier that seized Larry's and Aegon on the road. Westerosi only know of black people from diplomats that come to tourneys.
 
Oh yeah, I've read Fire and Blood and there's a ton of stuff that the show doesn't get. The show is making it more complicated, but it is interesting if Fire and Blood is read as a "pro green" piece, and the show is a "pro black" one. Albeit, the show mentioning Dalton and not really including him, despite the previous categorisation of the Greyjoys is a big mistake. Especially if the show is meant to be "pro feminist".

Which is quite funny as Rhaenyra originally being cut on the Iron Throne has now been turned into her being on her period (based upon leaks which have been proven to be somewhat true, on the concurrent episode), which leads to her being awful to the other lords, such as feeding them rats.
The show is so awful that it made me sympathise with the greens.
Book Rhaenyra might have been a cruel and vicious woman, but actually had some passion for ruling, was rightfully declared heir, and a lot of her more questionable actions could be handwaved away as slander.

In the show she is passive, emotional, and victim-brained, with the show confirming, and even making up some new scandalous actions.
She doesn't want to rule because she consider it her right, but because she thinks it fulfills a prophesy. So she is going to war against family because of a dream, not because of what she considers right by oath and law.

The show had a lot of ambiguity to go on, and they consistently picked the ones that made Rhaenyra look the worst, because these days a petulant victim who gets groomed by half the men around her and is the chosen one by destiny is peak feminist fantasy

The books had me leaning towards supporting the blacks, the show makes me want to see Rhaenyra's head on a pike
 
The funniest part to me about this episode is the audience's blind belief that dragons are all upside and no downside. Seeing people's faces drop from excitement to horror seeing the Battle of the Gullet play out is funny as hell.
Listen, Sheepstealer may be a black dragon; stealing stuffz (sheap), doesn't listen to other people, has anger issues, just burning stuff down, will leave its wider behind but is a good boy who dindu nuffin, he was being shot at!
 
Otto being a genius and masterminding his family’s acension (while still genuinely liking Viserys
The "my grandson is a fool" scene is absolutely top five acting scenes of the whole franchise, imo. From him calling the King a fool and the very end when he realizes his mistake. Masterclass of acting.

None of the women of the cast have done anything remotely similar. Cersei and Dany had their share of good scenes, but neither the alleged protagonists of the story have shown anything justifying being the protagonists.
 
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