Halo MCC/Infinite/general Griefing thread - Six months, two maps, no refunds

[Professor Donger]

I heard that those gayass terminals in H3 were put in without the rest of the team knowing. Is it true?

According to Halopedia (so grain of salt) they were put in with managements knowledge but they weren't vetted thoroughly which is why some stuff like the humans not being forerunners slipped through.

According to Frank O'Connor, the Halo 3's terminals were written by Frank O'Connor, Damian Isla, Robert McLees and Rob Stokes.[7][Note 2] According to Paul Russel, the continuity of the narrative wasn't as thoroughly vetted by management,[14] who nonetheless approved their inclusion in Halo 3.[15] Damian Isla also worked on the terminal's in-game implementation from a coding perspective while Paul Russel worked on the art.[16][11]

 

[Professor Donger]

Personally, and I know this is going to get me firing lined by Halo 1 Shotgun, but I don't mind Forerunners being a different species than humanity. I do mind learning so much shit about them in the 343 stuff. Do not explain them. Keep them a mysterious ancient species that died out well before Humanity took to the stars. Stop explaining the ancient species, everyone who does so sucks at it!

I didn't mind humans and forerunners being a separate species. When I was a kid and I ignored the blatant "Humans=Forerunner" stuff I thought it was an allegory to how God rose Humanity to be masters of the Earth. So The Forerunners creating the other species in the galaxy and making Humanity the one true heirs to their empire would have been fine.

I just hate how 343 did it and made us ancient rivals instead of the children of the Forerunners.

 

[TrinityReformed]

I didn't mind humans and forerunners being a separate species. When I was a kid and I ignored the blatant "Humans=Forerunner" stuff I thought it was an allegory to how God rose Humanity to be masters of the Earth. So The Forerunners creating the other species in the galaxy and making Humanity the one true heirs to their empire would have been fine.

I just hate how 343 did it and made us ancient rivals instead of the children of the Forerunners.

I don't think the human-covenant war would be as tragic or impactful if we were inheritors rather than direct descendants. The Prophets would've also probably finagled humanity to join their diversity squad instead of going straight to genocide. It's a lot easier to obscure the truth if they were just inheritors rather than the actual beings that they worshipped, imo.

 

[Professor Donger]

I don't think the human-covenant war would be as tragic or impactful if we were inheritors rather than direct descendants. The Prophets would've also probably finagled humanity to join their diversity squad instead of going straight to genocide. It's a lot easier to obscure the truth if they were just inheritors rather than the actual beings that they worshipped, imo.

Oh definitely, it's why when Halo 3 came out and Spark outright says it I went "oh yeah, that makes sense"

The story of the original games works so much better with us as Forerunners. Contact Harvest was also hilarious because you see Humanity have a pretty decent first contact with the covenant. We get along with Grunts and Jackals pretty well. And then the order comes for the covenant to genocide us and the covenant forced to go through with it are confused because they expected to bring humanity into the covenant as a new member species.

Also 343 industries unironically doing the we wuz kangz shit in Halo 4's terminals will never not be funny.

 

[Croaking Spider]

I feel like basic shit like the OC Donutsteel Prophet calling Chief "demon" before the events of Halo CE and Chief catching and throwing back a sticky grenade is the kind of stuff you should be able to catch before launch.

Or how the prequel mission plan revolved around capturing a Prophet if possible. How would Chief, Johnson, or the UNMC know what a Prophet is or even look like? Up until that point, the only contact humanity made with a Prophet was in Halo Wars, but the Spirit of Fire never made it back to UNSC space to report it.

 

[Professor Donger]

Or how the prequel mission plan revolved around capturing a Prophet if possible. How would Chief, Johnson, or the UNMC know what a Prophet is or even look like? Up until that point, the only contact humanity made with a Prophet was in Halo Wars, but the Spirit of Fire never made it back to UNSC space to report it.

They stole this plot from Fall of Reach actually. In the book Chiefs mission during the battle of reach was to capture a prophet to use as a forced bargaining chip to hopefully end the war.

She turned and strolled back to the podium. “ONI hypothesizes at least two additional castes. A warrior capable of commanding ground forces and possibly piloting their ships, and a leadership caste. We have deciphered a handful of Covenant transmissions that refer to—” She paused, checking notes on the data screen in her glasses. “—Ah, yes. ‘Prophets.’ We believe that these Prophets are in fact the leadership caste, and that they are viewed by the Covenant rank and file with an almost religious reverence.”
Dr. Halsey removed her glasses. “This is where you come in. Your mission will involve these so-called Prophets, and will be executed in four phases.
“Phase one. You will engage the Covenant and sufficiently disable, but not destroy, one of their ships.” She turned to face Captain Keyes. “I leave that in the capable hands of Captain Keyes and his newly refitted ship, the Pillar of Autumn .”
Captain Keyes acknowledged her compliment with a curt nod. He tapped the stem of his pipe on his lips thoughtfully.
The Master Chief was unaware of any Covenant ship ever being captured. He had read the reports of Captain Keyes’ actions at Sigma Octanus IV . . . and considered the odds of actually capturing a Covenant vessel. Even for a Spartan, it would be a difficult mission.
“Phase two,” Dr. Halsey said. “Spartans will board the disabled Covenant ship—neutralize the crew, and crack their navigation database. We will do precisely what they have been trying to do to us: find the location of their home world.”

 

[TrinityReformed]

They stole this plot from Fall of Reach actually. In the book Chiefs mission during the battle of reach was to capture a prophet to use as a forced bargaining chip to hopefully end the war.

Yep, all the Spartans were gathered at Reach for this mission. Unfortunately, there was a covenant probe attached to a UNSC vessel that transmitted the location of the world a while ago, and the covenant fleet arrived right as they were setting up this deep strike mission.

 

[Professor Donger]

Yep, all the Spartans were gathered at Reach for this mission. Unfortunately, there was a covenant probe attached to a UNSC vessel that transmitted the location of the world a while ago, and the covenant fleet arrived right as they were setting up this deep strike mission.

From what I remember the covenant thought Reach was humanities home world with how heavily defended it was. Which is pretty funny

 

[TrinityReformed]

From what I remember the covenant thought Reach was humanities home world with how heavily defended it was. Which is pretty funny

It was THE main shipyard and military world of the UNSC. It was why I was so hyped when Reach came out. Instead, it felt like a backwater world almost, that had insurgents and a FUCKING COVENANT SHIP THAT PARKED IT'S ASS IN THE ATMOSPHERE FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG. The world felt more like Harvest than Reach.

Edit: I swear, Reach is were the story for the series started going to shit. I've had this opinion when it first came out, and I'll die on this hill.

 

[Professor Donger]

It was THE main shipyard and military world of the UNSC. It was why I was so hyped when Reach came out. Instead, it felt like a backwater world almost, that had insurgents and a FUCKING COVENANT SHIP THAT PARKED IT'S ASS IN THE ATMOSPHERE FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG. The world felt more like Harvest than Reach.

Edit: I swear, Reach is were the story for the series started going to shit. I've had this opinion when it first came out, and I'll die on this hill.

It felt weird in general because this was also supposed to be the homeworld of the Spartan II program but we only ever see Spartan III's

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

It felt weird in general because this was also supposed to be the homeworld of the Spartan II program but we only ever see Spartan III's

Jorge's a Spartan-2. Part of their efforts to reconcile the game depiction of the invasion with the book depiction of the invasion did involve at least partially adopting the fact that most of the S2's were operating elsewhere on world for most of the campaign.

The world felt more like Harvest than Reach.

I think this fell victim to peoples perception of time, scale, and the idea of 'dedicated worlds' in sci-fi. Reach always had wilderness and wilds, was a big part of the first book. Reach'd only been settled about as long as the US has been settled I think, and that's an entire planet, during a colony rush period with plenty of opportunities. Other planets in the very same system are also inhabited, and at least one of them was a MAJOR insurrectionist hub, Operation Trebuchet took place in part in that very system. So them having cells on Reach did make sense.

Alexandria was an attempt to mitigate some of this feel, but I don't think it landed as solidly as they'd hoped, its more a bit discordant. There's no feeling of middle ground between "ranchland compounds" and "Megastructure city". With unlimited time and resources, a mission or two covering a delaying battle in some town/city around a major military producer as the city is laid to waste might have been interesting, but probably would fit better as a standalone experience. Fuck, you could probably have multiple entire ODST style spinouts just for the Battle of Reach, and it'd make for some good fucking games. Halo's always been best with an on the backfoot narrative,

 

[Professor Donger]

Jorge's a Spartan-2. Part of their efforts to reconcile the game depiction of the invasion with the book depiction of the invasion did involve at least partially adopting the fact that most of the S2's were operating elsewhere on world for most of the campaign.

I know that. I'm just saying that it felt weird being on the world where we know the majority of Spartan II teams got killed, only to only encounter one Spartan II who was on our team

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They stole this plot from Fall of Reach actually. In the book Chiefs mission during the battle of reach was to capture a prophet to use as a forced bargaining chip to hopefully end the war.

Or how the prequel mission plan revolved around capturing a Prophet if possible. How would Chief, Johnson, or the UNMC know what a Prophet is or even look like? Up until that point, the only contact humanity made with a Prophet was in Halo Wars, but the Spirit of Fire never made it back to UNSC space to report it.

That shit would never work. The Prophets are religious extremists; more than likely they'd rather kill themselves than be captured. That, or in the odd case the Prophet does crack, the council would just vote in new prophets and continue the war.

 

[Professor Donger]

That shit would never work. The Prophets are religious extremists; more than likely they'd rather kill themselves than be captured. That, or in the odd case the Prophet does crack, the council would just vote in new prophets and continue the war.

We know that, but the humans in universe didn't know how the covenant fully worked or why they did what they did most of the time. It was a desperate gamble for a species on the verge of extinction

 

[Miller]

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"Lieutenant Williams!"
"Johnson, you fucking nigger general HA HA AH, I'm kidding man, I'm kidding, hahaha"

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

That shit would never work. The Prophets are religious extremists; more than likely they'd rather kill themselves than be captured. That, or in the odd case the Prophet does crack, the council would just vote in new prophets and continue the war.

It was an act of desperation, even a temporary truce or delay would have been a win. The Infinity and its sister ship were originally intended as refuge arks (And retrofitting them into gigacarrier super warships was fucking retarded narratively), to fuck off as far as they could get and hope the Covenant doesn't find them for continuity of species. Anything they could do to buy time for that was worth it, even if it meant sacrificing the entirety of their supersoldier program in the process. Spartans kicked the covenants ass planetside, but they were running out of planets anyway.

 

[Professor Donger]

It was an act of desperation, even a temporary truce or delay would have been a win. The Infinity and its sister ship were originally intended as refuge arks (And retrofitting them into gigacarrier super warships was fucking retarded narratively), to fuck off as far as they could get and hope the Covenant doesn't find them for continuity of species. Anything they could do to buy time for that was worth it, even if it meant sacrificing the entirety of their supersoldier program in the process. Spartans kicked the covenants ass planetside, but they were running out of planets anyway.

Going to point out that in the context of Fall of Reach the Infinity doesn't exist. It was written before 343 raped Halo's canon.

 

[Ensok]

I like the Fall of Reach book a lot but two things about it that I'm really glad were retconned away later was how apparently 27 years of the war were fought before Hunters and Elites were ever encountered. Hunters were first fought on Sigma Octanus IV and Elites didn't show up until the Battle of Reach in the book. That shit doesn't make any sense.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

We know that, but the humans in universe didn't know how the covenant fully worked or why they did what they did most of the time. It was a desperate gamble for a species on the verge of extinction

It was an act of desperation, even a temporary truce or delay would have been a win. The Infinity and its sister ship were originally intended as refuge arks (And retrofitting them into gigacarrier super warships was fucking retarded narratively), to fuck off as far as they could get and hope the Covenant doesn't find them for continuity of species. Anything they could do to buy time for that was worth it, even if it meant sacrificing the entirety of their supersoldier program in the process. Spartans kicked the covenants ass planetside, but they were running out of planets anyway.

I'm pretty sure all the suicide Grunts, and the Brutes and Elites who would rather charge at the enemy and die than surrender, ought to have taught them that you can't bargain with lunatics.

 

[Großmann]

Stop explaining the ancient species, everyone who does so sucks at it!

But…but… I’m gonna LOOOORE!!!