Halo MCC/Infinite/general Griefing thread - Six months, two maps, no refunds

What did you think of Infinite after the campaign showcase?

  • It looked good

  • Good, but they need to iron out some issues

  • Majorly apprehensive

  • It sucked donkey dick

  • I need to see more

  • I don't know

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I know they felt like it in ODST because you had to play as them. Fucking great game though.
Also, to add to what I said, the only reason the UNSC found out about the Covenant when they did was that they went to planets thinking it was insurrectionist activity. That's how Contact Harvest ended up happening: Johnson and his team were sent to Harvest to deal with what they thought were insurrectionists, and it turned out to be a first contact situation. Halo Reach had the same scenario happen. Reach was so close to Earth that the UNSC thought the Covenant hadn't found it yet, so when weird shit starts happening, they send Noble to check it out, thinking it's insurrectionists trying to infiltrate the planet.
 
To be entirely fair, the impression your squad gives and your actual mission kept secret heavily implies you are the absolute best squad of ODST. To send otherwise would result in the extinction of humanity.

I do think that one squaddie surviving a brute axe was bullshit though
Very much so... its a shame no one takes risks anymore. Imagine how fun a halo game would be if you played as a brute willfully ignoring the hundreds of blinking red lights and sirens warning you that your about to atomize yourself to make the prophets happy. Could even have a mission to beat one to death who realizes what the halo rings are as he desperately tries talking sense to you before offering you chicken tendies to stop your retarded ass.

Sadly we are in the lame humanity is diverse and the alien is just misunderstood timeline.
 
Wasn't for me but not a condemnation of the game really was a taste thing. There almost needs to be a warning on campaign select and a intro page in the books stating that the two are separate universes from each other.

Seeing the ODST in the game has you question how the covenant was even remotely successful in the novels and vice versa.

Partially plot armor to keep the story going, partially a matter of numbers. ODSTs are specialists that don't have the same recruitment output as the rest of the UNMC, and there are an absolute shit-ton of Covenant. I'd imagine attrition hits the ODSTs pretty hard due to their shock troop nature. I always thought the ODST were cool because they were dropping steel nuts first into the same shit storm as a Spartans, only without the augments and power armor. Even if the AI wasn't always the most helpful, their inclusion was a good atmospheric touch. Halo was so good before the shift from military sci-fi to pretty much straight up sci-fi.
 
I've always considered the rivalry more like the type of banter and shit flinging you hear between different military branches.
I'm not a Halo book enjoyer, but I'm struggling to think of a single interaction an ODST had with a Spartan that was anything other than respectful and deferent. ODST's in halo 3 would rejoice when they saw Chief, instantly believing that the day was saved. I could walk up to any ODST, and take his weapon from him in exchange for a plasma pistol at 1% battery life. I could walk up to any ODST in any vehicle, and he would immediately get out of it if I told him to. I drive up to any ODST in a warthog, honk at him, and he immediately disregards his current orders and gets in the warthog. Regardless of what the books say, this rivalry was never shown in-game from what I remember.
Also, I'm not cutting 343 any slack when it comes to the lore, for obvious reasons. Halo 3 ended with Cortana monologuing about how it's over, we defeated the covenant, we won the war, the covenant is done. A few minutes into Halo 4, she's somehow under the impression that we had a truce with the covenant. Not to mention the forerunner thing. 343 using established lore as a justification for anything reminds me of Ethan Ralph using Christianity as a justification. They are the last people that should be invoking Halo lore.
 
Partially plot armor to keep the story going, partially a matter of numbers. ODSTs are specialists that don't have the same recruitment output as the rest of the UNMC, and there are an absolute shit-ton of Covenant. I'd imagine attrition hits the ODSTs pretty hard due to their shock troop nature. I always thought the ODST were cool because they were dropping steel nuts first into the same shit storm as a Spartans, only without the augments and power armor. Even if the AI wasn't always the most helpful, their inclusion was a good atmospheric touch. Halo was so good before the shift from military sci-fi to pretty much straight up sci-fi.
Its what makes a good video game vs a good story. Halo is a better game with other military elements not being represented or as background prompts (imo). The chief mowing through the covenant and flood simply hits harder. I compare it to 40k Space marine fighting necrons is amazing fun. Playing as the guard firing a laz gun for 30 straight minutes into a necron grunt just for your trivial damage to be undone by a resurrection sphere is less fun.

Once you have to account for the ODST it adds in a ton of other weird logistics that basically demand that humanity nuke itself before the war for the covenant to pose the threat they do.
 
Bungie already did the "hardass woman soldier who makes a noble (heh) sacrifice" thing 16 years ago and would have coincided with the same events. Ironically one that would leave Williams absolutely seething. You'll never top the Slavic Spartan queen, 343. Long live Noble 2.

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Hell, I'll do you one better and include a character that didn't even have a model but was integral to Chief's success, Foehammer.

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Her wise ass pilot archetype always takes precedence over being a woman. I don't think you'll find a Halo fan that shits on her character. She got us where we needed to be and did some pretty sketchy flying in the process.

I don't count the Marines in Halo 2 with the Michelle Rodriguez voice template, but shoutout to them too.
Her backstory is so beautiful and adds so much to the campaign. I wish this trailer was viewable in-game. As like a FMV if you leave the menu on too long. Its canon to the story, and it's referenced in the beginning with the previous Noble from the trailer that you replace.
It can make a grown Sangheili cry.
 
It's very mustache-twirling evil villian shit from modern hack writers.
I wonder if there's a compiled list of all the cartoonishly evil things the 343 Covenant has been described as doing. I vaguely remember hearing something about Grunt gas chambers in one of the Halo Wars 2 adjacent novels.

Are we even supposed to take any of it seriously? I sure as hell can't, but then again subtle not in your face writing is a foreign concept to the average 343 Jeet.
 
With looking at this latest remake of Halo 1 I decided to compare and contrast perhaps one of the most famous parts, the Warthog run from each other and it doesn't compare. Though it had less "details" the original beats in every single way. The arc in the original had this cold, sterile, yet functional design while the remake is bright and over designed garbage. Cortana's delivery was far better in the original while the new one feels off.

There's just enough going around with the original with the run it feels like your getting the most intense part of a ring blowing apart while the remake is shit happening around you rather than to you.
 
I'm not a Halo book enjoyer, but I'm struggling to think of a single interaction an ODST had with a Spartan that was anything other than respectful and deferent. ODST's in halo 3 would rejoice when they saw Chief, instantly believing that the day was saved. I could walk up to any ODST, and take his weapon from him in exchange for a plasma pistol at 1% battery life. I could walk up to any ODST in any vehicle, and he would immediately get out of it if I told him to. I drive up to any ODST in a warthog, honk at him, and he immediately disregards his current orders and gets in the warthog. Regardless of what the books say, this rivalry was never shown in-game from what I remember.
In Reach, the Army ODST's shit on you a lot. In Halo: Fall of Reach, a young Master Chief kills 3 ODST's who tried hazing him and then fighting him in a ship's gym.

John oriented himself as he entered the gym.

From the stationary corridor, it was easy to see that this section of the Atlas rotated. Like other ships of this age, acceleration gave the circular walls a semblance of gravity.

Unlike the other portions of the dated carrier, however, this section was cylindrical, but rather a segmented cone. The outer portion was wider and rotated more slowly than the narrower inner portion – simulating gravitational forces from one quarter to two gravities along the length of the gym.

There were free weights, punching and speed bags, a boxing ring, and machines to stretch and tone every muscle group. No one else was up this early. He had the place to himself.

John started with arm curls. He went to the center section, calibrated at one gee, and picked up a twenty-kilogram dumbbell. It felt wrong – too light. The spin must be off. He set the weights down and picked up a forty-kilogram set. That felt right.

For the last three weeks the Spartans had gone through a daily routine of stretching, isometric exercises, light sparring drills, and lots of eating. They were under orders to consume five high-protein meals a day. After every meal they had to report to the ship’s medical bay for a series of mineral and vitamin injections. John was looking forward to getting back to Reach and his normal routine.

There were only thirty-two soldiers left in his squad. Thirty candidates had “washed out” of the Spartan program; they died during the augmentation process. The other dozen, suffering from side effects of the process, had been permanently reassigned within the Ofiice of Naval Intelligence.

He missed them all, but he and the others had to go on – they had to recover and prove themselves all over again.

John wished Chief Mendez had warned him. He could have prepared. Maybe that was the trick to the last mission – to learn to be prepared for anything. He wouldn’t let his guard down again.

He took a seat at the leg machine, set it to maximum weight – but it felt too light. He moved to the high-gee end of the gym. Things felt normal again.

John worked every machine, then moved to a speed bag, a leather ball attached to the floor and ceiling by a thick elastic band. There were only certain allowed frequencies at which the bag could be hit, or it gyrated chaotically.

His fist jabbed forward, cobra-quick, and struck. The speed bag moved, but slowly, like it was underwater … far too slowly considering how hard he had hit it. The tension on the line must be turned way down.

He twanged the line and it hummed. It was tight.

Was everything broken in this room?

He pulled a pin from the locking collar on the bench press. John walked to the center section – supposedly one gee. He held the pin a meter off the deck and dropped it. It clattered on the deck.

It looked as if it had fallen normally … but somehow it also looked slow to John.

He set the timer on his watch and dropped the pin again. Forty-five hundredths of a second.

One meter in about half a second. He forgot the formula for distance and acceleration, so he ran through the calculus and rederived the equation. He even did the square root.

He frowned. He had always struggled with math before.

The answer was a gravitational acceleration of nine point eight meters per second squared. One standard gee.

So the room was rotating correctly. He was out of calibration.

His experiment was cut short. Four men entered the gym. They were out of uniform, wearing only shorts and boots. Their heads were cleanly shaven. They were all heavily muscled, lean, and fit. The largest of the four was taller than John. Scars covered one side of his face.

John could tell they were Special Forces – Orbital Drop Shock Troopers. The ODSTs had the traditional tattoos burned onto their arms: DROP JET JUMPERS and FEET FIRST INTO HELL.

“Helljumpers” – the infamous 105th. John had overheard mess hall chatter about them. They had a reputation for success … and for brutality, even against fellow soldiers.

John gave them a polite nod.

They brushed past him and started on the high-gravity free weights. The largest ODST lifted the bar of the bench press. He struggled and the bar wavered unsteadily. The iron plates on the right end slid off and fell to the deck. The opposite end of the bar tilted and he dropped the weight, almost crushing his spotter’s foot.

Startled by the noise, John jumped up.

“What the-“ the big ODST stood and glared at the locking collar that had slipped off. “Someone took the pin.” He growled and turned to John.

John picked up the pin. “The error was mine,” he said and stepped forward. “My apologies.”

The four ODSTs moved as one toward John. The big guy with the scars stood a hand’s breadth away from John’s nose. “Why don’t you take that pin and shove it, meat?” he said, grinning. “Or better yet, maybe I should make you eat it.” He nodded to his friends.

John only knew three ways to react to people. If they were his superior officers, he obeyed them. If they were part of his squad, he helped them. If they were a threat, he neutralized them.

So when the men surrounding him moved … he hesitated.

Not because he was afraid, but because these men could have fallen into any of John’s three categories. They were fellow servicemen in the UNSC. But, at the moment, they didn’t seem friendly.

The two men flanking him grabbed John’s biceps. The one behind him tried to slip an arm around his neck.

John hunched his shoulders and tucked his chin to his chest so he couldn’t be choked. He whipped his right elbow over the hand holding him, pinned it to his side, and then straight punched the man and broke his nose.

The other three reacted, tightening their grips and stepping closer – but like the dropped pin, they moved slowly.

John ducked and slipped out of the unsuccessful headlock. He spun free, breaking the grasp of the man on his left at the same time.

“Stand down!” A booming voice echoed across the gym.

A sergeant stepped into the gym and strode toward them. Unlike Mendez, who was fit and trim and was always serious, this man’s stomach bulged over his belt, and he looked bemused.

John snapped to attention. The others stood there and continued to glare at John.

“Sarge,” the man with the bleeding nose said. “We were just-“

“Did I ask you a question?” the Sergeant barked.

“No, Sergeant!” the man replied.

The Sergeant eyed John, then the ODSTs. “You’re all so eager to fight, get in the ring and go to it.”

“Sir!” John said. He went to the boxing ring, slipped through the ropes, and stood there waiting.

This was starting to make sense. It was a mission. John had received orders from a superior officer, and the four men were now targets.

The big ODST pushed through the ropes and the others gathered to watch. “I’m going to rip you to pieces, meat,” he grunted through clenched teeth.

John sprang off his back foot and launched his entire weight behind his first strike. His fist smashed into the man’s wide chin. John’s left hand followed up and impacted on the soldier’s jaw.

The man’s hands came up; John stepped in, pinned one of the man’s arms to his chest, and followed through with a hook to his floating ribs. Bones broke.

The man staggered back. John took a short step, brought his heel down on the man’s knee. Three more punches and the man was against the ropes …. Then he stopped moving, his arm and leg and neck tilted at unnatural angles.

The three other men moved. The one with the bloody nose grabbed an iron bar.

John didn’t need orders this time. Three attackers at once – he had to take them out before they surrounded him. He might be faster, but he didn’t have eyes in the back of his head.

The man with the iron bar swung a vicious blow at John’s ribs; John sidestepped, grabbed the man’s hand, and clamped it to the bar. He twisted the bar and crushed the bones of his attacker’s wrist.

John snapped a side kick toward the second man, caught him in the groin, crushing the soft organs and breaking the target’s pelvis.

John pulled the bar free – whipped around and caught the third man in the neck, hitting him so hard the ODST was propelled over the ropes.

“At ease, Number 117,” Chief Petty Officer Mendez barked.

John obeyed and dropped the bar. Like the pin, it seemed to take too long for the impromptu weapon to hit the deck.

The ODSTs lay crumpled on the ground, either unconscious, or dead.

Mendez, at the far end of the gym, strode toward the boxing ring.

The Sergeant stood with his mouth open. “Chief Mendez, sir!” He snapped a crisp salute. “What are you-“ He turned to John, his eyes widened, and he murmured, “He’s one of them, isn’t he?”

“Medics are on the way,” Mendez said calmly. He stepped closer to the Sergeant. “There are two intel officers waiting for you in Ops. They’ll debrief you…” He stepped back. “I suggest you report to them immediately.”

“Yes, sir,” the Sergeant said. He almost ran out of the gym. He looked over his shoulder once at John; then he moved even faster.

“Your workout is over for today,” Mendez told John.

John saluted and left the ring.

A team of medics entered with stretchers and rushed toward the boxing ring.

“Permission to speak, sir?” John said.

Mendez nodded.

“Were those men part of a mission? Were they targets or teammates?”

John knew this had to be some sort of mission. The Chief had been too close for it to be a coincidence.

“You engaged and neutralized a threat,” Mendez replied. “That action seems to have answered your question, Squad Leader.”

John wrinkled his forehead as he thought it through. “I followed the chain of command,” he said. “The Sergeant told me to fight. I was threatened and in imminent danger. But they were still UNSC Special Forces. Fellow soldiers.”

Mendez lowered his voice. “Not every mission has simple objectives or comes to a logical conclusion. Your priorities are to follow the orders in your chain of command, and then to preserve your life and the lives of your team. Is that clear?”

“Sir,” John said. “Yes, sir.” He glanced back at the ring. Blood was seeping into the canvas mat. John had an odd feeling in the pit of his stomach.

He hit the showers and let the blood rinse off him. He felt strangely sorry for the men he had killed.

But he knew his duty – the Chief had even been unusually verbose in order to clarify the matter. Follow orders and keep himself and his team safe. That’s all he had to focus on. John didn’t give the incident in the gym another thought.

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This resulted in the animosity between the two groups, since both the Spartans and ODSTS are very tight-knit organizations; news of the confrontation spread pretty quickly. By the time of the late Human-Covenant war, the rivalry was pretty much gone, though.
 
I wonder if there's a compiled list of all the cartoonishly evil things the 343 Covenant has been described as doing. I vaguely remember hearing something about Grunt gas chambers in one of the Halo Wars 2 adjacent novels.

Are we even supposed to take any of it seriously? I sure as hell can't, but then again subtle not in your face writing is a foreign concept to the average 343 Jeet.
The writing between 343 and Bungie is night and day.
Forgive the retarded vtubering, but this video is probably the most indepth of how fundamental and ridiculous the changes are
 
In Reach, the Army ODST's shit on you a lot. In Halo: Fall of Reach, a young Master Chief kills 3 ODST's who tried hazing him and then fighting him in a ship's gym.
I'm still not remembering any ODST's shitting on you in Reach, but I could be wrong. As for the books, I believe you that this was an established plot point. I just don't believe that this has anything to do with Lieutenant Girlboss's writing. She acts the way she does towards Chief because she's the obligatory miserable cunt teammate required for modern games, not because 343 gives a fuck about established lore.
 
I'm not a Halo book enjoyer, but I'm struggling to think of a single interaction an ODST had with a Spartan that was anything other than respectful and deferent. ODST's in halo 3 would rejoice when they saw Chief, instantly believing that the day was saved. I could walk up to any ODST, and take his weapon from him in exchange for a plasma pistol at 1% battery life. I could walk up to any ODST in any vehicle, and he would immediately get out of it if I told him to. I drive up to any ODST in a warthog, honk at him, and he immediately disregards his current orders and gets in the warthog. Regardless of what the books say, this rivalry was never shown in-game from what I remember.
Also, I'm not cutting 343 any slack when it comes to the lore, for obvious reasons. Halo 3 ended with Cortana monologuing about how it's over, we defeated the covenant, we won the war, the covenant is done. A few minutes into Halo 4, she's somehow under the impression that we had a truce with the covenant. Not to mention the forerunner thing. 343 using established lore as a justification for anything reminds me of Ethan Ralph using Christianity as a justification. They are the last people that should be invoking Halo lore.
It's rather easy to understand, only bungie games are canon, it's their ip, their vision, they had the absolute control and could direct the course of the world as they wished with no weird outside explanations nor bizarre lore insertions; only the rather simpler matters of the main story and plot as well the nuances of game design.
Even the fat hack Jeworge Lucas understood it well, hell even dumb weebs get this, only the source material is canon, the original view will always carry more weight than any extended material, even when those extended sources may influence a later main release their inclusion must be limited to rare nods.
At best, Bungie did never gave a damn about expanded shit besides minor references, at worst they would actively retcon and reject anything that interfered with their own idea of what halo should be, halo was their vision, no one else's.
 
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It's rather easy to understand, only bungie games are canon, it's their ip, their vision, they had the absolute control and could direct the course of the world as they wished with no weird outside explanations nor bizarre lore insertions; only the rather simpler matters of the main story and plot as well the nuances of game design.
The books from Bungie's era are secondary canon. They supplement the game canon as long as they don't contradict the game's canon. Halo: Fall of Reach, for example, is not canon anymore, since Halo Reach retcons most of what happens in that book.

Contact Harvest is canon because none of the games actively retcon anything in that book. That's how novels have always worked with any form of media, unless, obviously, word of god says otherwise. George Lucas is the best example of this. The EU was "Canon" as long as it didn't contradict anything set in the original Star Wars movies, and Lucas had the right to change whatever he wanted if he felt like it when he made a movie or TV show.

So in the EU right after the original trilogy, the Clone Wars were originally thought to be this war against an army of Clones; it was later changed to the Clone Wars we know, so that part of the EU became irrelevant and no longer canon.

I'm still not remembering any ODST's shitting on you in Reach, but I could be wrong. As for the books, I believe you that this was an established plot point. I just don't believe that this has anything to do with Lieutenant Girlboss's writing. She acts the way she does towards Chief because she's the obligatory miserable cunt teammate required for modern games, not because 343 gives a fuck about established lore.
As for this, I'll need to find it; it's less them shitting on you and more talking smack to you? I could be misremembering honestly; it's been a while since I played Reach fully.

On a funnier note.

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he rightfully get shit on and locks his tweet

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George Lucas is the best example of this. The EU was "Canon" as long as it didn't contradict anything set in the original Star Wars movies, and Lucas had the right to change whatever he wanted if he felt like it when he made a movie or TV show.

So in the EU right after the original trilogy, the Clone Wars were originally thought to be this war against an army of Clones; it was later changed to the Clone Wars we know, so that part of the EU became irrelevant and no longer canon.
There was even an in-house tier system
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There was even an in-house tier system
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Yeah, It's why I don't MIND the books for either Halo or Star Wars, at least back when the properties were owned by people who cared about them. As a kid, it was the best fucking thing ever, and my dad didn't mind it since it got me reading more. Being able to go to a bookstore and go "oh shit Halo," or "oh shit, Star Wars!" and read more adventures in a universe I loved was great. It's why I hate 343 and Disney so much for shitting the bed with both properties.

Ghost of Onyx, Contact Harvest, and Fall of Reach are still three of my favorite Halo reads.

Speaking of no longer canon, Ghost of Onyx is also no longer canon, since again, Halo Reach retcons the Spartan 3s to having been formed earlier.
 
It's rather easy to understand, only bungie games are canon, it's their ip, their vision, they had the absolute control and could direct the course of the world as they wished
Yes, exactly. I think of it like this:
If Shakespeare allowed some nobleman to write a Macbeth sequel in exchange for a small fortune, and the sequel revealed that Macduff was actually a vampire all along, and everything that happened in Macbeth was a covert war between vampires and vampire hunters, absolutely nobody would consider this to be the true plot of Macbeth. The last Halo game was Reach.
 
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