Game of Thrones Thread

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Guys ASOIAF stopped being a trilogy around the same time Game of Thrones (the book) was released. It hasn't bloated as much as you're suggesting.

The Witcher? God no, don't remind me. They already tried to cast Ciri as black and ended up with black Fringilla and indian Yennefer. The writers are SJW lunatics. And it's made by Netflix. It's going to be a woke shitfest.
What Hollywood writers aren't SJW lunatics? Netflix has done some good stuff before, tokenism aside. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
So, wait, Bran the Broken is just going to spend his days warging and living in the past while the small council takes care of things?

How is that any different from Robert who ran the country into debt while he drank and whored himself and let the small council do all the work? Or Aerys the Mad who's reign was only prosperous when Tywin was hand?

So glad we played the game of thrones for eight seasons to end up right back where we began (I might say worse, because at least Robert kept the North, but Bran doesn't have to deal with Sansa anymore, so that might actually be a plus).
 
Bran was a cute kid and he grew up to be a jawless goblin.
Eh...I would say more Gnoblar than goblin
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Anybody have a link to good breakdowns of what exactly happened to this show? I adore media trashfires like this one, but so far all of the criticism I've seen has been understandably insular. I'm an outsider looking in and I'm not about to dedicate my time to a very long series that goes down the shitter, so I'd love an explanation specific things beyond just 'they ran out of book to adapt' and 'HBO was willing to offer them however much time and resources they needed and they took six episodes'. I want to know the mechanics of this grand failure.
 
Anybody have a link to good breakdowns of what exactly happened to this show? I adore media trashfires like this one, but so far all of the criticism I've seen has been understandably insular. I'm an outsider looking in and I'm not about to dedicate my time to a very long series that goes down the shitter, so I'd love an explanation specific things beyond just 'they ran out of book to adapt' and 'HBO was willing to offer them however much time and resources they needed and they took six episodes'. I want to know the mechanics of this grand failure.
You and everyone else tbh. You know as much as we do about the backroom politics. So far no one is talking.
 
Anybody have a link to good breakdowns of what exactly happened to this show? I adore media trashfires like this one, but so far all of the criticism I've seen has been understandably insular. I'm an outsider looking in and I'm not about to dedicate my time to a very long series that goes down the shitter, so I'd love an explanation specific things beyond just 'they ran out of book to adapt' and 'HBO was willing to offer them however much time and resources they needed and they took six episodes'. I want to know the mechanics of this grand failure.

I'm pretty adament about this theory, but it's not gaining much traction and people want to believe this is the real ending.

A while back it was in the news that the book's author George RR Martin had given the ending of the series to the show runners at HBO. This was a pretty big deal, because the show started over taking the books around season 5 IIRC (the timelines aren't exactly the same, so post book content was airing with stuff that was in the books), and people were worried they were going to have to make up their own ending since the show overtook the book in release.

I believe George RR Martin gave them a fake ending. I don't know if he intends to ever finish it himself, but he gave them the worst ending they'd believe. I think the creator of the story purposefully tanked the show out of spite.
 
I think he gave them the real ending but they added a bunch of original stuff, cut some stuff that shouldn't have been cut, and changed the stuff they kept for the worst, which was a consistent pattern for them as the show went on longer even before they ran out of book.

Note that an ending on its own is worthless anyway if you have no idea how to get there.
 
I'm pretty adament about this theory, but it's not gaining much traction and people want to believe this is the real ending.

A while back it was in the news that the book's author George RR Martin had given the ending of the series to the show runners at HBO. This was a pretty big deal, because the show started over taking the books around season 5 IIRC (the timelines aren't exactly the same, so post book content was airing with stuff that was in the books), and people were worried they were going to have to make up their own ending since the show overtook the book in release.

I believe George RR Martin gave them a fake ending. I don't know if he intends to ever finish it himself, but he gave them the worst ending they'd believe. I think the creator of the story purposefully tanked the show out of spite.

I don't think that's true, but it would be really, really fucking funny if that were the case.
 
Anybody have a link to good breakdowns of what exactly happened to this show? I adore media trashfires like this one, but so far all of the criticism I've seen has been understandably insular. I'm an outsider looking in and I'm not about to dedicate my time to a very long series that goes down the shitter, so I'd love an explanation specific things beyond just 'they ran out of book to adapt' and 'HBO was willing to offer them however much time and resources they needed and they took six episodes'. I want to know the mechanics of this grand failure.

There is a totally, utterly, completely UNCONFIRMED rumor just beginning to percolate (I've only heard Nerdrotic mention it so far) that GRRM and D&D had some major falling out some years ago, presumably over George's failure to deliver The Winds of Winter or even a coherent outline of it. The result of this blowup was some new contractual stipulation (that smells like bullshit to me, but what do I know) that Game of Thrones had to be some measurable percentage distinct from A Song of Ice and Fire. It sounds crazy, but it's not unprecedented. Supposedly that exact stipulation (specifically a 25% distinction) is part of all the Star Trek stuff being done by Bad Robot (that'd be the Abrams movies and Discovery), and the filmmakers behind Lord of the Rings were forbidden from touching anything that doesn't appear in the trilogy or The Hobbit, which is why Gandalf couldn't remember the names of the Five Wizards in one of the Hobbit movies -- they only appear in Unfinished Tales and maybe some of Christopher Tolkien's published notes.

I take this with an enormous grain of salt, because I just don't see how such an earthshaking contractual change could have been implemented with no break in production (remember, this would have happened long before the one year gap between 6 and 7), but it's pretty obvious something bad happened behind the scenes.
 
Anybody have a link to good breakdowns of what exactly happened to this show? I adore media trashfires like this one, but so far all of the criticism I've seen has been understandably insular. I'm an outsider looking in and I'm not about to dedicate my time to a very long series that goes down the shitter, so I'd love an explanation specific things beyond just 'they ran out of book to adapt' and 'HBO was willing to offer them however much time and resources they needed and they took six episodes'. I want to know the mechanics of this grand failure.

The most succinct explanation I've read is that the creators and showrunners went into the show with the wrong attitude. GRRM likes to slap the audience with a cold dose of reality now and then. D&D just wants to shock you.

For instance, Game of Thrones has a lot of shocking moments where beloved characters are unceremoniously killed off.

The books treat these deaths as the natural consequences of the characters' actions. One character tries to overthrow the king and gets beheaded. Another character breaks a marriage vow and the spurned father kills him in revenge. Both are shocking, but logical, and flow from the decisions the characters made.

The show is different. It doesn't so much care about the why of character deaths, but rather it just revels in the shocking nature of them. Once the show ran out of books to adapt, the deaths grew increasingly arbitrary. They didn't flow anymore, but felt random and grotesque, like the writers were enjoying the pain and suffering of the characters. This attitude--the desire to shock the audience--carried into the last season where a plotline that was built up for eight season was abruptly ended with a surprise twist; and another character's heel turn, which SHOULD have been build up over eight seasons, comes out of practically nowhere. In other words, in their endless desire to shock the audience, D&D undercut their own storytelling.
 
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