Game of Thrones Thread

[Lemmingwise]

He did kill the Westerosi Hitler.

Did you miss all the scythe / karakh imagery? Her intention to change the whole world? It was a westerosi Trotsky seeking global revolution.

 

[Truthspeaker]

I hope you Americans are satisfied with your shitty ending to this fad show.

Just like Lost from last decade, I completely disregarded this and had no interest in seeing it, and I am not the least bit surprised the ending let everyone down.

Lost had a better ending in every conceivable way.

And the last three seasons of Lost were the show at its best, when the opposite's the case for GoT.

 

[Mola Ram]

I've stuck with shitty shows before. Lost, Heroes, Human Target, the BattleStar Galactica Finale. The thing with Game of Thrones is that it had the epic scope, budget, cast, and thematic depth to be one of the best contemporary pieces of art conceived in the modern era. Instead, because the writers seem to either be brainless idiots or malicious saboteurs. we got the R-rated version of Eragon.

I think when all is said and done (the finger pointing has yet to begin), GRRM himself is going to come in for a lot of flack. His failure to deliver a sixth book is clearly a major factor in the decline of the writing. D&D are taking a lot of heat for the things they cut -- George himself has said they could have easily gotten a couple more seasons out of the stuff in Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons -- but isn't it just as likely they decided to start cutting because they realized he was never going to finish this story?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I've stuck with shitty shows before. Lost, Heroes, Human Target, the BattleStar Galactica Finale.

Fifth time's the charm, huh?

 

[break these cuffs]

If GRRM demanded final cut on the scripts we would've spent 3 seasons fucking around in Mereen, the Riverlands, and Dorne. He's better than D&D but this myth that Martin has a solid concept of how to pace this story after almost 20 years of scrambling to follow up A Storm of Swords really needs to die. He's as confused as anyone else, tbh, which is part of why we still don't have a release date for the Winds of Winter.

Winds of Winter might have gotten released maybe, but it wouldn't surprise me if he just says fuck it at this point. He's already pissed at fans since the show got popular and people started to care who he was, now he's going to take a rash of shit for how the show turned out deserved or not. I could see him not finishing it out of spite let alone his age, shitty health, and inability write a tight, clean story.

I think when all is said and done (the finger pointing has yet to begin), GRRM himself is going to come in for a lot of flack. His failure to deliver a sixth book is clearly a major factor in the decline of the writing. D&D are taking a lot of heat for the things they cut -- George himself has said they could have easily gotten a couple more seasons out of the stuff in Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons -- but isn't it just as likely they decided to start cutting because they realized he was never going to finish this story?

That and they didn't want to do the show anymore after what, season 4 or 5? They were going to do a rush hack job regardless, the lack of source material just made it shittier.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I hope you Americans are satisfied with your shitty ending to this fad show.

Just like Lost from last decade, I completely disregarded this and had no interest in seeing it, and I am not the least bit surprised the ending let everyone down.

So much disregard that you've been waiting years to post this, lmao.

 

[Silent Observer]

Fifth time's the charm, huh?

More like five thousandth, but yeah

 

[Cosmos]

 

[Absolutego]

I think when all is said and done (the finger pointing has yet to begin), GRRM himself is going to come in for a lot of flack. His failure to deliver a sixth book is clearly a major factor in the decline of the writing.

Lmao no it's not, D&D ignored the vast majority of 2 books' worth of plotline to write their own streamlined version in season 5 that the fandom absolutely hated. The clumsiness of these past four seasons is 100% on them being completely incompetent at building up to the 3-4 plot moments he gave them. I imagine GRRM was waxing eloquent about all the character motivations and plot foreshadowing behind things like Dany burning Kings Landing, the Hodor revelation, and the Wall coming down in a Starbucks while the two of them were yawning due to boredom and scribbled down a few plot points to hit and then said "yeah we'll get it done old man". George hasn't been associated with the show since season 4 and it fucking shows.

 

[Silent Observer]

I think when all is said and done (the finger pointing has yet to begin), GRRM himself is going to come in for a lot of flack. His failure to deliver a sixth book is clearly a major factor in the decline of the writing. D&D are taking a lot of heat for the things they cut -- George himself has said they could have easily gotten a couple more seasons out of the stuff in Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons -- but isn't it just as likely they decided to start cutting because they realized he was never going to finish this story?

Look at GRRM's release schedule

• A Game of Thrones (1996)
• A Clash of Kings (1998
• A Storm of Swords (2000)
• A Feast for Crows (2005)
• A Dance with Dragons (2011)

He should have had a book out by 2017 at the latest, but instead he's been sitting on his lard ass. He's essentially the Noah Antwiler of Fantasy Fiction.

EDIT: For comparison, here is J.K. Rowling's release schedule for Harry Potter:

• The Philosopher's Stone
  (1997)
• The Chamber of Secrets
  (1998
• The Prisoner of Azkaban
  (1999)
• The Goblet of Fire
  (2000)
• The Order of the Phoenix
  (2003)
• The Half-Blood Prince
  (2005)
• The Deathly Hallows
  (2007)

Rowling let no more than 3 years pass without a book. With Martin, it's been nearly a decade.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I think when all is said and done (the finger pointing has yet to begin), GRRM himself is going to come in for a lot of flack. His failure to deliver a sixth book is clearly a major factor in the decline of the writing. D&D are taking a lot of heat for the things they cut -- George himself has said they could have easily gotten a couple more seasons out of the stuff in Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons -- but isn't it just as likely they decided to start cutting because they realized he was never going to finish this story?

Indeed. Plus you have to realize that it's unreasonable to think you're going to have actors for an indefinite period of time. Most are slightly exceptional, but in the end they get bored and want to chase different prospects to potentially make more money. That's not exactly a revelation.

The problem is that George thinks everyone is like his diehard readers, who will put up with anything based on his work from seven years ago.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Look at GRRM's release schedule

• A Game of Thrones (1996)
• A Clash of Kings (1998
• A Storm of Swords (2000)
• A Feast for Crows (2005)
• A Dance with Dragons (2011)

He should have had a book out by 2017 at the latest, but instead he's been sitting on his lard ass. He's essentially the Noah Antwiler of Fantasy Fiction.

EDIT: For comparison, here is J.K. Rowling's release schedule for Harry Potter:

• The Philosopher's Stone
  (1997)
• The Chamber of Secrets
  (1998
• The Prisoner of Azkaban
  (1999)
• The Goblet of Fire
  (2000)
• The Order of the Phoenix
  (2003)
• The Half-Blood Prince
  (2005)
• The Deathly Hallows
  (2007)

Rowling let no more than 3 years pass without a book. With Martin, it's been nearly a decade.

To be fair, it's easier when you aim no higher than to write like J. K. Rowling.

 

[Truthspeaker]

Given that @Judge Holden is the OP, I propose he add a poll to the thread so we can vote on which show Our New Favorite Showrunners should work on next.

Here are my ideas for poll options:

• Young Sheldon
• Chrisley Knows Best
• Our Cartoon President
• Saturday Night Live
• Boko Haram Propaganda Videos

Look at GRRM's release schedule

• A Game of Thrones (1996)
• A Clash of Kings (1998
• A Storm of Swords (2000)
• A Feast for Crows (2005)
• A Dance with Dragons (2011)

He should have had a book out by 2017 at the latest, but instead he's been sitting on his lard ass. He's essentially the Noah Antwiler of Fantasy Fiction.

EDIT: For comparison, here is J.K. Rowling's release schedule for Harry Potter:

• The Philosopher's Stone
  (1997)
• The Chamber of Secrets
  (1998
• The Prisoner of Azkaban
  (1999)
• The Goblet of Fire
  (2000)
• The Order of the Phoenix
  (2003)
• The Half-Blood Prince
  (2005)
• The Deathly Hallows
  (2007)

Rowling let no more than 3 years pass without a book. With Martin, it's been nearly a decade.

I won't turn this into a debate on whether Martin or Rowling's a better writer (Martin's better, but that's not the point), but this is hardly a fair comparison. The first four Harry Potter books have a lower combined wordcount than the shortest book in A Song of Ice and Fire. Even the longest Harry Potter book is tens of thousands of words shorter than the shortest Song of Ice and Fire book.

I'm not saying this to trollshield Martin. He needed a meaner editor, and at least one timeskip in his series. But it's like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Young Sheldon

How dare you. Young Sheldon is a genuinely good show.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Welp, back from work. Time to experience the shitshow for myself.

Unfortunately the bottle shop was out of La Fée 68% absinthe so I'll just have to grin and bear it.

 

[Truthspeaker]

How dare you. Young Sheldon is a genuinely good show.

Wouldn't know. Never seen an episode.

I just assumed it was terrible because it was a CBS All Access exclusive and a spinoff of The Big Bang Theory.

If you can think of a better, crueler option, I'm all ears.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Actually come to think of it, if they wanted an "ultra powerful faceless man mary sue" character arc for Arya why didnt they just have her go east to Asshai, either willingly after being sent there on a mission by the Faceless men, or is forced to after she flees there to escape them and break whatever magic hold they have over her. On the way there she can "spontaneously" develop this dumbass desire to explore schtick as she sees Yi Ti and Sotheros and other exotic locales while hearing about all the other places explored and unexplored in the wider world.

Benioff and Weiss had enough difficulty maintaining some layers to the story with clearly defined characters and settings; can you imagine what a clusterfuck it would be if they had to invent a culture or society themselves without Martin's help?

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I won't turn this into a debate on whether Martin or Rowling's a better writer (Martin's better, but that's not the point), but this is hardly a fair comparison. The first four Harry Potter books have a lower combined wordcount than the shortest book in A Song of Ice and Fire. Even the longest Harry Potter book is tens of thousands of words shorter than the shortest Song of Ice and Fire book.

I'm not saying this to trollshield Martin. He needed a meaner editor, and at least one timeskip in his series. But it's like comparing apples to oranges.

It's been almost 3,000 days since his last book was published. Probably a little longer since it was finished and submitted.

He could have written a page of typeset content EVERY OTHER DAY and still produced his biggest book by now.

 

[Truthspeaker]

It's been almost 3,000 days since his last book was published. Probably a little longer since it was finished and submitted.

He could have written a page of typeset content EVERY OTHER DAY and still produced his biggest book by now.

Martin's last book was released last year, in November.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Martin's last book was released last year, in November.

I should have clarified, the only book that people actually want.


It would be like Tolkien trying to publish the Silmarillion in between TTT and RotK.