Disenchantment - The newest series by Matt Groening

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Will be a bigger Netflix show disappointment since "Bill Nye Saves The World"?

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I liked the first season but honestly this was really sucky. I enjoyed the first two episodes and thought the whole Jerry and God exchanges were great, the mumbling demon going Shhh Shhh Shut up but it just felt so lame as Dreamland was revived and made no sense with them showing Steamland for barely an episode considering they were helping to assassinate Zog. They just have zero idea where they are going with all of this and failing horribly at setting shit up for that big pay off. Hell, I was expecting Bean to have MAYBE some examples of her showing some kind of awakening powers considering her heritage


I would say a big portion of the fanbase was wondering wtf Steamland and Slimy roles in this season for if they just went out with a wet fart.
 
Season 1 was a real chore to get through for me. I simply don't like any of the three main characters or find them funny, and that's a big problem. I don't know if it's the writers' fault or the voice actors'.
I really don't think I'll watch Season 2 unless I hear people saying it's a huge improvement over Season 1. So far I've heard that it's just more of the same.
 
Finally finished S1 a while ago. Not bad to be honest, it's like Groening still has some magic left.
 
The season one trailers sold it as a journey, with a sense of movement. I expected Bean et al. to be on the road, visiting somewhere new each week, with some kind of through plot to tie it together. Even if they were just wandering aimlessly, I thought it would be a nice way to mix up the animated sitcom formula.

But nope, it was just a boring, everybody’s stuck at home, repeat that we’ve seen before. Futurama but with different set dressing and poorer writing. The story of an aimless drunk squandering potential, stuck in a place she resents, desperate for a break in routine.

Maybe a fitting allegory for Groening’s career, but not entertaining.
 
Until I'd seen this show, I never really appreciated how necessary a straight-man character is. Like I always felt Leela was a boring wet blanket, as was Lisa and to a lesser extent Marge. But without a character like that in this show (I can never remember the title, I keep calling it Disenchanted) , we just end up with three lazy slackers and it's just not funny.
 
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Until I'd seen this show, I never really appreciated how necessary a straight-man character is. Like I always felt Leela was a boring wet blanket, as was Lisa and to a lesser extent Marge. But without a character like that in this show (I can never remember the title, I keep calling it Disenchanted) , we just end up with three lazy slackers and it's just not funny.
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It takes a lot of comedic talent to write a comedy with no straight man. The only example I can think of where that actually worked is It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
 
The position of straight man is the unsung hero of comedy.

They set up and react to the crazier characters. Without them, there is no basis for comparison for how crazy or bad the more chaotic characters antics are.

Everyone said Ann Perkins was dull in Parks and Rec, but Good God she was necessary. You needed her to be the outsider looking in on a group of government workers who are crazy, inept, or lazy. You can have Leslie Knope being an overachiever of near cartoon level proportions, or April Ludgate snarking up the place and giving everyone the evil eye, or Chris Platt being dumb as cement, or Ron Swanson being the pillar of awesomeness that he is, but Ann brought a certain level of realism to everything that made the show feel more grounded.

Another example: Wasn't Family Guy so much better when Peter and Stewie were the only off the wall characters in the Griffin family? In the early seasons, you had Lois as kind of the moral compass and Brian as the voice of reason to counterbalance Peter's totally chaotic nature and Stewie's science fiction based subplots. And even Meg being like a normal teenager made Peter's antics doubly embarrassing for her. Eventually, everyone in the family became a degenerate and chaotic soul, so you basically had nothing but a bunch of Peters and without any kind of balance, the show just feels like a random mess. South Park at least has Kyle to pull in the reigns on people and be the voice of reason for a town full of whackos and idiots.
 
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The season one trailers sold it as a journey, with a sense of movement. I expected Bean et al. to be on the road, visiting somewhere new each week, with some kind of through plot to tie it together. Even if they were just wandering aimlessly, I thought it would be a nice way to mix up the animated sitcom formula.
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Maybe you're familiar with the Anime "Kino's Journey"?

It's a show about a girl on a motorcycle traveling from one fantastical kingdom/nation to the other to check out their local customs.
Every place has its own gimmick or tradition and the plot usually resolves around it or a minor mindfuck involving it.

For instance, there's a somewhat futuristic city where no one has to work, since everyone receives a free income and everything they need to live is made by machines, however you barely see anyone when Kino visits the city.
At the end, she meets a guy who is on his way to a company where he spends all day checking calculations made by their computers. She asks him why he's doing that and whether it's his job or not. He replies that there is no need to check the calculations, since the computer does a perfect job of it. In fact, the moment he made his calculations on paper, the papers get thrown away without anyone ever taking a second glance at them. However he explains that in order to receive more income, you need to go do things, to justify that rise in income.

She also visits a nation that used to fight regular bloody battles with the neighboring nation, but both have since become the "nations without war".
Over the course of the episode, we learn, however, that both nations, whenever they have a conflict, just waltz into a third nation, kill as many civilians as they can and whoever scored the most wins.

Given the Steamland episode, I guess that format could work very well with Disenchantment, too. Just have the main characters travel from one place to the other and make fun of fantasy-movie tropes and settings. Just have them get to a place, spend a few days there and then move on to the next place with a new gimmick.
That, or make it a full-on story driven show with a quicker pacing and more thorough character-writing.

Either embrace the episodic nature, go for gags and make it so you could drop in at any episode like with the Simpsons or emphasize the story. But ffs commit to it.
 
I have a soft spot for this show. I definitely put it and Futurama (The GOAT) ahead of The Simpsons which once was great but was raped, killed and raped again by Fox. I do agree that they need to choose between being episodic and having an ongoing story though.
 
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So I guess season 3 came out on Friday. Any good?
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I legit forgot this show was coming back, and only realised there was a new season when I opened up Netflix yesterday.
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Not really, I don't think this is a bad show per say just aggressively mediocre. It's a solid 5/10 at most.
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I barely remember what happened in the first two seasons outside of broad strokes and the recap did nothing to jog my memory. I watched the first episode and like you said, it wasn't bad, but I don't have much excitement to watch the rest of the season either.

My biggest problem with the show is that the heavily serialised format doesn't work very well. I get Groening wanted to try something a bit different to his other shows, but I don't think it meshes with his style of comedy. If they'd wanted to have an ongoing arc, they'd have been better off sticking to the Futurama model - stand-alone episodes, with a loose story arc going on in the background. It would make each episode stand out a bit more rather than churning them up into a morass in service of the larger story arc.

I also think the show could have benefited from a fish out of water character like Fry in Futurama. You could say that's Elfo or Luci, but it's not really the same thing because they're still inhabitants of the world. Having a character like Fry would've helped with the world building which Futurama established very quickly, whereas Disenchantment feels like it's dragging its feet.
 
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