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I'm going to be honest with you @The_Cowcel

Even if you did manage to land a date with a woman you are attracted to, or at least not completely repulsed by, how would you manage a first date? Or maintain the relationship in the long run, assuming you didn't completely flub that?

I've had relationships before and I was still dissatisfied with my life overall, even in the best of times. That's my problem though, and having all the women in the world wouldn't solve that.

Life isn't fair, no matter what your parents told you.
 
Again, it's not about proving to other people that I have had sex, I'm primarily focused on proving to myself that I can get a woman, companionship and all of that would be nice but I think it's a bit optimistic to expect when as other people here have pointed out any woman I get is likely to be an abusive bitch who makes my life a living hell because I'm too desperate to leave.
I'll concur with everyone else who advised you to seek out psychiatric assistance. This is an irrational fixation that would best be addressed by chemical intervention. I say that because it sounds like an OCD symptom.
 
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@The_Cowcel
If you had a daughter would you want her getting with a guy just like yourself? Would you trust that guy to always do right by her?

After 9 pages, someone has finally asked something resembling a good question.

Yet people accuse me of being abusive despite having been single my whole life just because I don't want my hypothetical woman to be influenced against me or tempted by other men.

So one might be interested to find that this abusive man wants to economically disempower women

Removal of financial independence, cutting someone off from family, friends and therapists who could provide dissenting opinions that sort of thing. IMO it's all down to what results from that. I don't think it's all that crazy for a man to not want a dozen people whispering lies about him into his wife's ear and telling her to leave him or for her to easily be able to leave with little consequence. It sounds abusive and controlling on the surface but if it's still a loving relationship then I don't see the problem. I've never seen it happen personally but whenever I mention such an idea I get accusations of being an abuser.

I was never taught how to grow up or have independence, I was raised following my parents orders and most decisions still get made for me, I'm not an agent in my own life because I have no confidence to be.

No spoon-feeding, since that's one of the issues.
 
I appreciate the angle you're going for and I think it would be helpful for a lot of people but I don't have any clear memories of when my life was closer to normal
You're going to have to just try. I know the nature of the forum is reply-reply until whoever is okay with having the last word gets to tism, but just try what I said and don't think about it too much.

I've never really received female attention though.
Nigga, getting a phone number off of dating apps means you're doing SOMETHING that gets at least your foot on the door. Focus on that.

I don't think I could put a name to the face of more than two or three of my classmates.
Nigger either Gen Z really fucking sucks harder, blacked dick than I ever thought possible or you're too autistic to be invited to the fun things. Try talking, nigger. Even at my absolute worst, I always had a nice group of people to talk to between classes.

dang nigga your college fucking sucks in my college before a class starts everyone stands in some circle and talks with each other
then theres like a bigass party every thursday where people dance and shit nigga pick a better college or something idk
Rango, I always knew deep down you were cool.

It's not important, just try new hobbies, find something you like, get good at it
Sometimes that hobby can even be video games if you can talk autistically about it enough. There ARE women who get turned on by that for some reason.



Can you give an overview/ summary of how the convos went?
Cowcel, Dorothy Parker is your literal best friend in this thread and you owe her at minimum a fine bottle of Bordeaux for this BS. She doesn't have to do this, but she has earned my respect.

Really? I thought the guy who convinced me to go must have just based his perception of American collages off of what he's seen in movies, but that sounds even more extravagant than what I was promised.
I can actually relate to this. When I got to college I had a preconceived notion of what it would be like. You know what I did when I realized it wasn't like that? I MADE it like that. I can say a lot about my time in college, but I can say one thing - it wasn't boring and lame. My goal was to come out with stories I'd tell for the rest of my life, and boy did I.

I don't really know how to do any of that though, how do I just become passionate?
I haven't been completely honest with you, but I have gotten laid off of complaining about video games. The real thing that gets you laid, Cowcel is that you just dominate the conversation. There's an archetype of people, and maybe you're that person, that don't ever shut up and just keep going.

I don't know if I need to be direct with my interest in her or what
Yeah but nigga you're forgetting the most important thing. You got your FOOT in the door. Do you know how many men swipe right on these bitches and get NO attention? Every time a girl answers "lmao, k", "it was good", you're still 10% ABOVE what at least hundreds of men got. Do you understand that?

I'll concur with everyone else who advised you to seek out psychiatric assistance. This is an irrational fixation that would best be addressed by chemical intervention. I say that because it sounds like an OCD symptom.
I don't think so. Therapy only works for so much. Chemicals don't really help guys like this. A good ass-whooping is really what needs to happen. That's sometimes better than therapy.
 
The real thing that gets you laid, Cowcel is that you just dominate the conversation. There's an archetype of people, and maybe you're that person, that don't ever shut up and just keep going
Well, that's actually right if you had the caveat that you can "dominate" the conversation by not talking much and listening and dictating the pace.
 
I do, but I'm still treated like everything is fine and my lack of enjoyment in activities and social success are attributed to personal failings rather than a need for medication.
I'll spare you my cynical opinions about dealing with doctors, but I will say that sometimes you have to say, "no. I'm not okay. I am in a terrible place and although my attitude about it before has been passive and cranky, I'm willing to work on this, and I need you to hear that it is not working just to have a Xanax as needed. Yes, I am also committed to working on my outlook and won't just dismiss things or quit."

I've had to argue with a doc before to try something he was skeptical about. I brought studies, lol. He reluctantly agreed, went silent when it worked, then when I no longer needed it after a year or two and said so, he (whom I otherwise like) kind of smirked and said "didn't think so.". But he was wrong, because it did exactly what was needed - to the point I no longer needed it. ...anecdote is not to say fight your docs, but that it's fair to insist there is a problem and they need to pay attention. But you must do your part.

I don't really know how to do any of that though, how do I just become passionate?
Well, since you can't think of anything you like, I'd say it's just a decision. Pick something and pursue it, throw yourself into it. It can't be games or anything involving a screen, because that's too passive. And it can't be girls, because you don't have control over that.

Decide to learn about & start collecting coins; or learn about Baroque music and find a favorite composer; or read the pulitzer or Booker Prize shortlists from the last year; or learn about some old wars and set up miniature battlefields - you could even learn to paint the figurines (not necessary); or learn some card tricks; or find a pool, learn the breastroke or backstroke and start going - one length to start then start setting some goals for times/ week or laps or technique; or get a couple plant pots, get the right soil and nutrients, and see if you can make something grow; or take a fencing class. Whatever. Or just start exploring the area where you live - paths or trails that take you somewhere new. Try one thing and if after 3 or 6 months (yes, months) you don't care about it, try another thing. Or if you care a little bit not a lot, add on some other thing. Etc. You need to exercise these mental muscles. Always hard to start, but like at a gym for physical muscles, they get stronger.

If all of that seems like too much or too confusing, just go for a walk or bike ride. Go a place you haven't been. If you see a nice place to stop, stop and sit in the grass. You can leave after 5 minutes if you're anxious, but next time stare at the trees and the clouds and empty your mind of any wordy thoughts for 10 minutes. Take a notebook and a pencil even if drawing seems boring or you're bad at it, but try it anyway. You could draw a landscape or a leaf, doesn't matter. Or write down the words in your head, no editing. Do it a number of times. It might bore you/ not trigger any interest - but it could, and either way you've done something with your time that is better for you in every way that sitting in a room.

Most people don't have a single, overwhelming grand passion, but finding things you enjoy - and putting enough time into them to make them become something comfortable and that you might look forward to doing - is a good way to round out your life a bit. (Which not only may make you interested in stuff but also makes you a more interesting person.)

I'd probably just spent most of my time trying to appease her and keep her from leaving me.
Yeah, so you're obsessed with something that you really don't have any idea what to do with even if you get it. Do you see how this is all out of whack? Not that anyone knows what to do with a relationship before they have it, but you just described a very bleak and self-oriented perspective.

And also, a relationship with someone spending all their time trying to appease and keep you from leaving sounds very unpleasant and exhausting. This is why people talk about "you need to bring something to the table." People are attracted to people with something going on beyond "I just want a girl/ guy.". Most people want to enjoy time spent with another person - which is hard to do if that person is a blank slate with nothing to share and nothing going on but desperately trying to twist and turn to have A Relationship.

Internet randoms that respond to my cringe "need pussy" rants, and by pretty directly just saying that I seem like I would be abusive if I ever got a woman.
Oh. Well I'm guessing they're basing that on your cringe comments and certainties about how people/ relationships are. So it's a comment, not a prediction. You own what plays out.

Usually doesn't get farther than asking each other how our day has been and making some small talk before she stops replying. I don't know if I need to be direct with my interest in her or what.
Have you tried sharing something neat about your day? Get excited about your own life, and you won't bore someone to tears!

I usually don't get anything to eat(I have dinner before class to save money) and when I have I've gone alone usually I just take the time to get my dating swipes done(if I didn't already) and to work on homework.
Great, so you have all the power to change this. Take your meal to school, go eat it outside nearby or maybe eventually you'll connect with someone else who might want a meal. Don't bury yourself in your phone. At minimum get a book and do that instead. Keep your eyes up off the ground in general and make eye contact with other students, even if just for a nod.
 
How is it consistent to say you are doing everything in your power to get a girlfriend when you admitted to spending 30 hours a week drunk shitposting in group chats? That's not even counting the time you spent touching your peenus, or gaming time, or other internet time, or IRL time wasters, unironically a great solution to your problems would be for your mom to take your computer away and hit you in the balls with a chancla if you resist.
 
Really, I just hope Cowcel doesn't do something terrible and enact a mass shooting or something. All he'd do would earn himself a halal thread where for the rest of eternity people would be mocking him for being a loser. @FuckYou Aka the couch cuck was that. Never forget how embarrassing he was.
 
I want to make the most of my youth
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Even if you did manage to land a date with a woman you are attracted to, or at least not completely repulsed by, how would you manage a first date? Or maintain the relationship in the long run, assuming you didn't completely flub that?
No clue, I've never even got far enough to try. I always get ghosted before a date is even arragned.
I'll concur with everyone else who advised you to seek out psychiatric assistance. This is an irrational fixation that would best be addressed by chemical intervention. I say that because it sounds like an OCD symptom.
Could be, I was diagnosed with OCD in the past but I never saw it causing much issue for me.
@The_Cowcel
If you had a daughter would you want her getting with a guy just like yourself? Would you trust that guy to always do right by her?
Not really, largely because of him being behind in his career, it's hard enough to support a family in the current year, even harder when after wasting the first decade a man is expected to be working.
Nigger either Gen Z really fucking sucks harder, blacked dick than I ever thought possible or you're too autistic to be invited to the fun things. Try talking, nigger. Even at my absolute worst, I always had a nice group of people to talk to between classes.
The chances aren't there. there's only one class per day so there is no "between classes" spent on campus. I figure this is partially due to the type of collage I'm going to being a pure trade school and lacking a lot of the class bloat you see at other collages.
I haven't been completely honest with you, but I have gotten laid off of complaining about video games. The real thing that gets you laid, Cowcel is that you just dominate the conversation. There's an archetype of people, and maybe you're that person, that don't ever shut up and just keep going.
I couldn't be much further than that if I tried unless the discussion is regarding something I'm knowledgeable on.
I'll spare you my cynical opinions about dealing with doctors, but I will say that sometimes you have to say, "no. I'm not okay. I am in a terrible place and although my attitude about it before has been passive and cranky, I'm willing to work on this, and I need you to hear that it is not working just to have a Xanax as needed. Yes, I am also committed to working on my outlook and won't just dismiss things or quit."
I always struggle to assert myself like that, I'm so timid that I just go along with whatever I'm presented and rarely ever object. I need to be medicated to fix that but I'm so passive that when the appointment comes along all of my objections are watered down and I'm am too willing to accept initial dismissal of my problems.

Most people don't have a single, overwhelming grand passion, but finding things you enjoy - and putting enough time into them to make them become something comfortable and that you might look forward to doing - is a good way to round out your life a bit. (Which not only may make you interested in stuff but also makes you a more interesting person.)
Finding things I enjoy is a part of my struggle. Most things either remind me of my inadequacies or leave me with too much time to dwell on my thoughts. Hard to find anything that's enjoyable given that.
And also, a relationship with someone spending all their time trying to appease and keep you from leaving sounds very unpleasant and exhausting. This is why people talk about "you need to bring something to the table." People are attracted to people with something going on beyond "I just want a girl/ guy.". Most people want to enjoy time spent with another person - which is hard to do if that person is a blank slate with nothing to share and nothing going on but desperately trying to twist and turn to have A Relationship.
Is this just a woman thing? because I think a female version of me would be almost the ideal wife, ready to be molded to whatever her husband wants, no strong opinions on what to do, shut off from the world so nobody is tempting her all of those would be positives for a woman. I guess women want a man who's already a developed person instead?
Have you tried sharing something neat about your day? Get excited about your own life, and you won't bore someone to tears!
There's nothing to say. even in the games I waste all my time playing I am at the skill level of a beginner, my life is incredibly boring.
How is it consistent to say you are doing everything in your power to get a girlfriend when you admitted to spending 30 hours a week drunk shitposting in group chats? That's not even counting the time you spent touching your peenus, or gaming time, or other internet time, or IRL time wasters, unironically a great solution to your problems would be for your mom to take your computer away and hit you in the balls with a chancla if you resist.
That's time that in all likelihood I'd have spent at home anyway or at "best" following my parents around at whereever they decide to go. What am I meant to do instead? I already go to the gym regularly, am in collage, have good grooming standards and am going out two times I week with a family friend who is meant to be trying to act as my life coach.
 
Finding things I enjoy is a part of my struggle. Most things either remind me of my inadequacies or leave me with too much time to dwell on my thoughts. Hard to find anything that's enjoyable given that.
Alright I'm done being nice. You got me to be a little nice because I was out having a life over the weekend, but now the kid gloves are off.

NIGGER. YOU'RE FUCKING BORING. Your life is boring. You're boring. You are boring to shit. This entire fucking time you have done nothing but complain. And you know what? It's BORING. If you took the time you spent complaining and spent it talking about, literally anything else, maybe you'd have a fucking chance. But no, it's excuse after excuse, after excuse. Nigga, based off of what you're telling us you can't even play video games right. If you can't even talk about something you claim to love with any kind of excitement, then what the flying fuck are you doing?

This thread is a 10 page testimony to how many excuses under the sun you can come up with to why your life sucks and instead of doing literally ANYTHING about it, you just like being stuck in the pit because it's all you know and you're too much of a god damn pussy to try anything else. Well you know what? You don't get to cry about being #foreveralone. You get to cry when you try, but something tells me you don't try. It's summer for most people, nigger. Find your fucking nads. Find your 60 year old family friend or your disgusting lolicon friend, and go talk to literally any random ass hole. Go make friends nigger. I don't what hole in your yard you buried whatever shredded gooned remains of your testicles in, but go find them and get your ass in gear. You're 30. You don't have any time left to dick around. Find something that sounds like fun and go do it, you stupid fucking retard.

You want to know what this level of complaining gets you?
@Friend of Dorothy Parker Would you ever touch this guy with a 10 foot pole? Because I know if I had a vagina, I'm putting it in a chastity belt and swallowing the key the moment this faggot comes around.

I've dealt with plenty of guys like you and they're all the fucking same. Some can dig their way out. Some can't.
 
Is this just a woman thing? because I think a female version of me would be almost the ideal wife, ready to be molded to whatever her husband wants, no strong opinions on what to do, shut off from the world so nobody is tempting her all of those would be positives for a woman.
Well then become a tranny, you fucking nigger
 
I always struggle to assert myself like that, I'm so timid that I just go along with whatever I'm presented and rarely ever object. I need to be medicated to fix that but I'm so passive that when the appointment comes along all of my objections are watered down and I'm am too willing to accept initial dismissal of my problems.
Prepare ahead of time. Get AI to help you come up with questions or how to raise and assert concerns. "I'm too timid" is a description of a current/ historical experience, not an end-point.

Finding things I enjoy is a part of my struggle.
I know. That's why I say just do x, y, z whether it grabs you or not, stick with it, then see how things go. If no spark, learn another thing. If spark, keep going. Even having spent some time doing something and deciding not to do it more makes you more interesting than never doing anything.

I gave you easy things like taking a walk. Instead of saying, "I don't like walking but maybe I could start just standing next to a river for 10 minutes," you just go to,"I don't like anything.". You don't like anything because you refuse to do anything. Not everything is going to be easy or comfortable. You have to make yourself do things anyway. Otherwise you're in a cage of your own making, key in hand, but claiming the door is closed so you can't get out.

Most things either remind me of my inadequacies or leave me with too much time to dwell on my thoughts.
When thoughts are running like that, tell them to stop, then will yourself to blankness and focus just on the physical thing you're doing. Tell the thoughts to shut up, and keep returning to a mental blank wall. It will last one second, maybe two, to start. But with consistent effort, the time without those things running through your head will extend. And over longer time, you'll be more able to identify when unhelpful words run through your mind and be more able to silence them. And eventually there will be whole blocks of time without them when you are fully engaged in some activity.

It is hard at first. But it is one of the absolute best things to practice and learn.

Hard to find anything that's enjoyable given that.
I gave you almost a dozen random ideas. Pick one.

Is this just a woman thing? because I think a female version of me would be almost the ideal wife, ready to be molded to whatever her husband wants, no strong opinions on what to do, shut off from the world so nobody is tempting her all of those would be positives for a woman.
That's a blowup doll, not a human. Gross.

Also, two identity-less, interest-less lumps of clay aren't going to like each other or anything else.

I guess women want a man who's already a developed person instead?
Well duh. Not perfect, not finished (we are all works in progress, forever; that's the beauty of life). But yes, a whole person.

There's nothing to say. even in the games I waste all my time playing I am at the skill level of a beginner, my life is incredibly boring.
Already told you: not games, not girls. Games in your situation are passive and make you think you're "doing" something, but you're just using them as a deadening device.

Nothing wrong with forever being a beginner-level at something, if it's a good use of time.. If it's not a good use of time, get rid of it/ reduce it (wasting some time isn't terrible, but wasting most of your time is).

Your life does not need to be so boring. You can change that at any moment. It requires consistent effort, and broadening yourself can feel like Mt. Everest (or the Matterhorn, if you like*), but it gets easier the more you practice. And once you've found one thing, sometimes you're emboldened enough to find others. It's not about perfection; it's about engaging in life, And sometimes you have to kickstart that by decision.

*don't you think that that is a majestic, beautiful, awe-inspiring hunk of rock? Idk why I think you're Swiss, but if you are, you have incredible beauty all around you. I was in Zermatt a few times as a child (decades ago), and I still remember it. Same with Interlachen and other places. Go somewhere, see something new.
 
Is this just a woman thing? because I think a female version of me would be almost the ideal wife, ready to be molded to whatever her husband wants, no strong opinions on what to do, shut off from the world so nobody is tempting her all of those would be positives for a woman. I guess women want a man who's already a developed person instead?
It's not a "woman thing." What you're describing is more like what a cult leader wants in a recruit than what most men want in a romantic partner.
 
How is it consistent to say you are doing everything in your power to get a girlfriend when you admitted to spending 30 hours a week drunk shitposting in group chats?
Your life does not need to be so boring. You can change that at any moment. It requires consistent effort,
Guys, it's not about having a girlfriend. He doesn't want a girlfriend. He's lazy and comfortable and likely fat so he doesn't want to put in any effort into anything. That's why he'll dodge with every excuse in the book. He NEEDS to struggle getting a gf because he NEEDS a struggle to ignore his other problems. Replace every Can't with Doesn't Want To and his posts make a lot more sense. He doesn't want a gf. He wants a scapegoat. The reality is that Cowcel probably has a lot of real problems in life but bundled them all around FOREVERALONE to cope because he's too comfortable and lazy to want to put in the effort of taking care of them.
 
infidelity comes from financial independence. Dependency keeps relationships together, people today are sick and treat any form of stabilizing factors in a relationship as signs of abuse.
I'd probably just spent most of my time trying to appease her and keep her from leaving me.
It sounds abusive and controlling on the surface but if it's still a loving relationship then I don't see the problem. I've never seen it happen personally but whenever I mention such an idea I get accusations of being an abuser.
I think a female version of me would be almost the ideal wife, ready to be molded to whatever her husband wants, no strong opinions on what to do, shut off from the world so nobody is tempting her all of those would be positives for a woman. I guess women want a man who's already a developed person instead?
saying that I seem like I would be abusive if I ever got a woman.
any woman I get is likely to be an abusive bitch who makes my life a living hell
You are a horrifically mentally ill 100% guaranteed abusive man who will never love a woman because you hate women. Noone will ever love you either.
ten pages of cringeworthy sperging on the farms is more than enough so I won't be responding as much
Has time to wish death on a woman because a man raped his daughter though
The mother deserves a long drop with a short rope for making this happen
 
Has time to wish death on a woman because a man raped his daughter though
For some reason I was thinking there was more responsibility on the part of the mother other than her having a child with a piece of shit. Far from my most sane take of the day. Something just made me think the mother was involved and pointed fingers to try to redirect focus from her and the family. I genuinely don't know was thinking. Utterly bizarre statement for me to make and I don't know what I was thinking at the time.
How is it consistent to say you are doing everything in your power to get a girlfriend when you admitted to spending 30 hours a week drunk shitposting in group chats? That's not even counting the time you spent touching your peenus, or gaming time, or other internet time, or IRL time wasters, unironically a great solution to your problems would be for your mom to take your computer away and hit you in the balls with a chancla if you resist.
That time would just be spent watching TV or wearing out my family's patients if I didn't have the computer. I've never had success going out socially and opportunities on my own so I usually just wait for things to go along with.
NIGGER. YOU'RE FUCKING BORING. Your life is boring. You're boring. You are boring to shit. This entire fucking time you have done nothing but complain. And you know what? It's BORING. If you took the time you spent complaining and spent it talking about, literally anything else, maybe you'd have a fucking chance. But no, it's excuse after excuse, after excuse. Nigga, based off of what you're telling us you can't even play video games right. If you can't even talk about something you claim to love with any kind of excitement, then what the flying fuck are you doing?
If I knew what I was doing I wouldn't be in this place to begin with. I never even claimed to love video games, they're just my primary way of wasting time. I've been trying to make progress being more interesting but progress is slow, I've got more plans coming up and I have been more social but time will tell if it amounts to anything sustainable.
Well then become a tranny, you fucking nigger
I may be an autistic woman hating incel, but at least I'm not gullible enough to ruin my body for a doomed larp.
Prepare ahead of time. Get AI to help you come up with questions or how to raise and assert concerns. "I'm too timid" is a description of a current/ historical experience, not an end-point.
I'll prepare some notes before the next session I suppose, probably something I should have started doing along time ago.
I know. That's why I say just do x, y, z whether it grabs you or not, stick with it, then see how things go. If no spark, learn another thing. If spark, keep going. Even having spent some time doing something and deciding not to do it more makes you more interesting than never doing anything.

I gave you easy things like taking a walk. Instead of saying, "I don't like walking but maybe I could start just standing next to a river for 10 minutes," you just go to,"I don't like anything.". You don't like anything because you refuse to do anything. Not everything is going to be easy or comfortable. You have to make yourself do things anyway. Otherwise you're in a cage of your own making, key in hand, but claiming the door is closed so you can't get out.
In fairness I have recently started practicing billiards(your mention of going to the pool reminded me of the game) and am planning at making another attempt getting into the RC hobby so it's not like I've been completely idle as of late
You are a horrifically mentally ill 100% guaranteed abusive man who will never love a woman because you hate women. Noone will ever love you either.
I don't actually hate women as individuals in most cases. and if I had one I'd ensure she felt loved, happy and content and I would try to keep her from doing anything too dumb. I'd probably be better for her than most men.
 
I'm just gonna say, incels will keep on existing thanks to random genetic recombination. Unless we implement genetic editing sometime in the future, that is. Actually, it is already being done, but as far as i know only rich people have access to it. It is extremely unlikely that the general population will be genetically edited to eliminate not only incels, but other individuals with traits that may be deemed "undesirable". After all, the ellites need someone to be below them and do the hard work for them, and this logically would be the fate of the "incel" part of the population in an hypothetical future. It's simple math that there's always someone who has to be at the bottom and another one at the top, hierarchies will always exist. So incels will probably be around for as long as humanity exists. But i guess i'm getting off track. Right now, there's not really much you can do about dating other than getting extremely lucky, i'm afraid. No matter what you do, if you don't cut it then you don't cut it.

Seriously though: look man, i get your struggles and all, but you need to be realistic and learn to live alone. I know that it sounds absolutely ridiculous, but it is the best option right now at this time of history in your case. There's nothing you or I or anyone else can do to change the fact that some people are not attractive or are not wanted. I have been in a similar spot to you, but raging only brings you even more misery. I am lonely as fuck too, but i guess with age, i have kind of learned to be at peace with that. Not completely, i still have my breakdowns, but it's nowhere near as bad as it once was. I just cut all contact with people online that i knew were using me and did not actually care about me and that improved my life a lot. I stopped caring about impressing or winning over women who did not appreciate me as a person. I am technically an incel and i truly believe in the core tenets of the bp, but sometimes, learning to give up (in a healthy way, i guess) is really the best course of action. I have my copes and nice food and my series. If women don't like you, you cannot force that attraction. Though i acknowledge reproducing is perhaps the most intense biological drive at least for men, you can still live without it. It's really really hard, but it's possible. I plan on making money once i finish my career and if i don't have anybody, then i will spend it on my wellbeing. In the end you just have to take care of yourself. as dumb as it may initially sound.
 
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