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Oh boy this one.
See usually when people want their ideas to be taken seriously they post shit that can actually be backed up. Most women *I* know are about as interested in true crime as any man. See how an assertion like what you have can be undermined? This is why you post studies, because an emperical, replicated study using the proper methods is as close as you can get to objective fact.

So, again. Post a study or cope.
No dudes are out there jerking it to Eileen Wournos.

Here ya go retard. You know you don't have to farm out all your opinion making to others and can instead form your own right? Do you need a study to tell you water is a fluid or does the existence of ice make you need a study?

https://research-archive.org/index.php/rars/preprint/view/109/version/241

https://pure.hud.ac.uk/en/publicati...the-role-of-tiktok-in-young-womens-attractio/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01639625.2025.2605168
 
No dudes are out there jerking it to Eileen Wournos.

Here ya go retard. You know you don't have to farm out all your opinion making to others and can instead form your own right? Do you need a study to tell you water is a fluid or does the existence of ice make you need a study?

https://research-archive.org/index.php/rars/preprint/view/109/version/241

https://pure.hud.ac.uk/en/publicati...the-role-of-tiktok-in-young-womens-attractio/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01639625.2025.2605168
One paywalled study and the first one doesn't have data.
Where's your control group? Your methodology? Your demographics? There's a reason studies investigate commonly held knowledge. It's to understand the world.
You need data to prove things. Also post PDF or gtfo, I seriously doubt you even read these.

Wait, tandfonline, that one?
Lets deconstruct.
1. It talks about gen z women. Not all women, as you assert.
2. It merely finds that women who engage with the content on tiktok, tend to enjoy the content in books. This doesn't prove anything besides that women who are already consuming the media tend to enjoy the media. How the fuck does this apply to your thesis?

Find a Primary, nonpaywalled source. One unpaywalled article has no fucking data. It's a goddamn review paper that doesn't even combine data from previous studies.
Did you read these? Honest question.
 
One paywalled study and the first one doesn't have data.
Where's your control group? Your methodology? Your demographics? There's a reason studies investigate commonly held knowledge. It's to understand the world.
You need data to prove things. Also post PDF or gtfo, I seriously doubt you even read these.

Wait, tandfonline, that one?
Lets deconstruct.
1. It talks about gen z women. Not all women, as you assert.
2. It merely finds that women who engage with the content on tiktok, tend to enjoy the content in books. This doesn't prove anything besides that women who are already consuming the media tend to enjoy the media. How the fuck does this apply to your thesis?

Find a Primary, nonpaywalled source. One unpaywalled article has no fucking data. It's a goddamn review paper that doesn't even combine data from previous studies.
Did you read these? Honest question.
Dear lord, again you are retarded. Use your brain for once. Evolutionary psychology. You are Grugette, do you want Grug who can beat a deer to death as well as another Grug who comes near you or Grug who can't? You obviously want the more violent Grug, it's just womens stupidity that makes them think "oh well Grug would never beat me!" Then they act all suprised when Grug beats them. For the same reason women find men who are already married more attractive than men who aren't.
 
Dear lord, again you are retarded. Use your brain for once. Evolutionary psychology. You are Grugette, do you want Grug who can beat a deer to death as well as another Grug who comes near you or Grug who can't? You obviously want the more violent Grug, it's just womens stupidity that makes them think "oh well Grug would never beat me!" Then they act all suprised when Grug beats them. For the same reason women find men who are already married more attractive than men who aren't.
Oh cool.
So you have a published study to back this up right?
Hang on I got this retardese translator lemme boot it up.

"I cannot defend my point using empirical evidence and instead make far reaching claims about a demographic I am biased against. PW#EASE fall for my appeal to common sense or I will shit and piss on the floor."

Post a peer reviewed study, unpaywalled. With proper data and methods. Or cope. Which you seem to be doing already.
 
Oh boy this one.
See usually when people want their ideas to be taken seriously they post shit that can actually be backed up. Most women *I* know are about as interested in true crime as any man. See how an assertion like what you have can be undermined? This is why you post studies, because an emperical, replicated study using the proper methods is as close as you can get to objective fact.

So, again. Post a study or cope.
@FieldPiece is a mentally ill man who also abuses any woman who comes near him and so identifies with OP.
The easy way to pick up women is very simple.
1: Bully them
2: Bully them some more
3: Say something mildly nice about them

There you go. It sounds retarded but I've accidentally done it before multiple times and it works. Womens brains are fucked up so they don't actually want companionship, they want some fucked up social game.
He understands that women get into relationships with men who turn out to be abusers because they are manipulative. As a manipulative man, he lies.
I wonder why he is still single?
This generally leads to not interacting with women for longer than a few minutes at most so I just come off as an overly serious asshole. All my GFs have been from school or friend groups. All of which I no longer am associated with.
Well, for that at least we can be grateful.

Studies show that abuse starts through economic means
Small surveys of victims consistently find that the majority of those who experience physical violence also had their economic empowerment undermined (Outlaw 2009; Postmus et al. 2012). Some survivors have described how physical violence began once they were economically dependent: “The first feature of control was financial. As soon as I had less economic independence that’s when the [violence] started.”1
Before progressing to violence
I mean Sharia allows people to beat women and if we did that we wouldn't be in this predicament so he's kinda right.
So one might be interested to find that this abusive man wants to economically disempower women
No wonder corporations love women working,
Abuse is foremost about control. So one might be interested to know that this abusive man wants to control women
I recently realized after a conversation with a foid why women should never hold power over anything ever.
Just draft women to be mothers. State enforced pregnancy.
Asking this unstable mentally ill abusive man to be intellectually honest is far above his pay grade.
I did find one piece of wisdom in his ramblings
I'm a fucking retard
 
Oh cool.
So you have a published study to back this up right?
Hang on I got this retardese translator lemme boot it up.

"I cannot defend my point using empirical evidence and instead make far reaching claims about a demographic I am biased against. PW#EASE fall for my appeal to common sense or I will shit and piss on the floor."

Post a peer reviewed study, unpaywalled. With proper data and methods. Or cope. Which you seem to be doing already.
I see you're doing the typical woman thing of pretending not to know things. What's the problem with paywalled articles, you poor or something?

https://www.researchgate.net/public...LATIONSHIP_STATUS_ON_PERCEIVED_ATTRACTIVENESS
 
I see you're doing the typical woman thing of pretending not to know things. What's the problem with paywalled articles, you poor or something?
Oh so you paid for an 80 dollar a month journal?
You paid 80 USD to win an internet argument? Post the PDF then. Go on, goy.
Anyway, going off the study you supplied, the data you supplied says...

Married Men are considered undesirable by women

Please explain how this correlates to your point. Because I'm not seeing it.
TL;DR you're retarded.
 
No dudes are out there jerking it to Eileen Wournos.
Okay, I don't give a shit about this whole argument about who's more fucked up sexually. Women are always quick to overshare their abnormal sexual proclivities when they begin to vaguely trust you. A lot more women have told me they were into tentacle rape or other various hentai "soft bestiality" shit than men have. So whatever.

But this statement right here is so retardedly wrong it baffles me you'd make it.
Hop on /pol/ next time a vaguely attractive woman commits a heinous crime and read the comments.
 
Oh so you paid for an 80 dollar a month journal?
You paid 80 USD to win an internet argument? Post the PDF then. Go on, goy.
Anyway, going off the study you supplied, the data you supplied says...

Married Men are considered undesirable by women

Please explain how this correlates to your point. Because I'm not seeing it.
TL;DR you're retarded.
No I don't pay for journals dumbass, you're just a retard for thinking them being behind a paywall means it invalidates the research.

Please do tell me why Charlie Manson got constant letters from women expressing their love for him. Must have been that darn Gen Z and 1970s Tiktok. Tell me why there were thousands of chicks thirsting over Luigi Mangione. Or why my coworker who did time for attempted murder has no problem attracting women despite having no teeth and constantly flying into a rage.

He understands that women get into relationships with men who turn out to be abusers because they are manipulative. As a manipulative man, he lies.
I wonder why he is still single?
I love how women think they're not the ones who choose their mates. "Aw shucks I keep buying beepers from Israel why do they keep blowing up?"
 
No I don't pay for journals dumbass, you're just a retard for thinking them being behind a paywall means it invalidates the research.
It could say fucking anything. That's just a title and abstract. The fucking DATA is inside the paywalled paper. Which is the important part. So it's a moot fucking point you absolute numpty.
 
It could say fucking anything. That's just a title and abstract. The fucking DATA is inside the paywalled paper. Which is the important part. So it's a moot fucking point you absolute numpty.
Because as well all know women are good with numbers which is how we know Newton and Archimedes were pooners.

Numpty? Dear god the most horrible sight imaginable, a british female.
 
Because as well all know women are good with numbers which is how we know Newton and Archimedes were pooners.

Numpty? Dear god the most horrible sight imaginable, a british female.
That's the thing. I looked at the non-paywalled articles too and there are no numbers. And the article you linked about women's attraction to men in relationships indicated women find single men more attractive whereas men didn't differentiate between single and attached women. It kind of comes across like you just googled "foids love rapist chads study" and then just linked whatever you found without reading.
 
Lies

Because you are wrong




Like a dozen people here have given you specific advice

You are severely mentally ill. The issue is that you need to not be mentally ill. You're welcome.
I have never and will never agree with you again
 
Because as well all know women are good with numbers which is how we know Newton and Archimedes were pooners.
Nigger I'm asking for data on your fucking claim. You've provided jack and shit in that order. Stop fucking coping and cough up an actual study with numbers, control groups, or even fucking demographic data. Shit even a fucking survey would be better than the slop you've given.
I'm a man, telling you to logically back up your claim. The fact you cannot do this is extremely female coded.
 
I've read the responses and will try to act on them, but I figure ten pages of cringeworthy sperging on the farms is more than enough so I won't be responding as much
Good, this is what I was telling you to do. Go back in your memory and think, before everything blew up you managed to get in good with her. How? What did you say? What did you talk about? What were you doing? What was your attitude like? Think about these things.
I was introduced by family and I can't remember much about myself back then because it was so long ago and early in life. I appreciate the angle you're going for and I think it would be helpful for a lot of people but I don't have any clear memories of when my life was closer to normal
OK, that's rough. But what if you didn't (now) say that everything was fine so you could get it over with?
I try to be more vocal about how I'm feeling but I don't a point of reference for what normal is and often whenever I bring up my dissatisfaction with life it's just treated as a failing on my part for not making a genuine effort to go out and enjoy myself.
Why are decisions being made for you, an adult?
Because I have no strong desires on what to do so I just outsource my decision making to family.
Lol, you go out and spend your time on your phone then go home, resting on confirmation that going out is pointless.

What exactly do you think is going to happen socially when you're on your phone? Or when someone drags you out and you refuse to engage in - or God forbid imitate and drive - conversation.
I do engage in the conversation to the extent that I can, but usually it's about something that I'm not involved in. I'd rather browse on my phone than just sit around listening to a conversation that doesn't involve me.
The question mark suggests you're being somewhat sardonic, as though it's obvious that you'd want that. But that's not why most men seek out relationships. Social proof with their peers is part of it, but the main thing is having a companion to face life with, a best friend they can also get naked with. Dating someone who's looking for that just because you want everyone to know you're a big boy who's been inside a vagina is sociopathic behavior
Again, it's not about proving to other people that I have had sex, I'm primarily focused on proving to myself that I can get a woman, companionship and all of that would be nice but I think it's a bit optimistic to expect when as other people here have pointed out any woman I get is likely to be an abusive bitch who makes my life a living hell because I'm too desperate to leave.
It's because he's approaching this as a beggar. Most guys kind of balance out from this as soon as they get female attention. Most normal guys anyway....
I've never really received female attention though. The closest I've got has been some dry message chains that never span more than a dozen posts.
I don't need a study, just go talk to any abusive guy and you'll find he's almost never without a woman to abuse. Or hell ask any woman about their ex and they're always "abusive". So either they're attracted to violent men or they're liars, take your pick.
Yet people accuse me of being abusive despite having been single my whole life just because I don't want my hypothetical woman to be influenced against me or tempted by other men.
idk how old you are but if youre yuong enough you can go to college
in college everyone wants to socialize and shit
I'm in collage currently and I've got to disagree about everyone wanting to socialize, at my school everyone arrives when class starts, leave to get something to eat during break, come back when break ends then go straight home when class is over. I don't think I could put a name to the face of more than two or three of my classmates.
Studies show that abuse starts through economic means
And infidelity comes from financial independence. Dependency keeps relationships together, people today are sick and treat any form of stabilizing factors in a relationship as signs of abuse.
 
I'm in collage currently and I've got to disagree about everyone wanting to socialize, at my school everyone arrives when class starts, leave to get something to eat during break, come back when break ends then go straight home when class is over. I don't think I could put a name to the face of more than two or three of my classmates.
dang nigga your college fucking sucks in my college before a class starts everyone stands in some circle and talks with each other
then theres like a bigass party every thursday where people dance and shit nigga pick a better college or something idk
 
I mean obviously there's a some tension with some women when they encounter a taken man. Because of the taboo and because he's prevalidated, also a man in a relationship can more easily show his gentle (future good dad) side
 
What kind of hobbies do women even like in a man?
It's not important, just try new hobbies, find something you like, get good at it, meet new people also get good and passionate about your job.

Women love a competent and passionate man.

Also you need female friends, practice girlsfriends or just being around women. I also feel like the male friend side is lacking too
Alright, all of that has already been checked [looksmaxxing]
Meh I doubt your hygiene, teeth, face style,physique (sub 15٪ bodyfat), hair , facial hair and archetypes are on point.
If that were the case you would be receiving more attention.
Genuinely try the qoves studio package if you really want to optimise people will treat you better and you will get tips to age better (all that alcohol is fucking you up in the long run)
Obviously don't get neurotic about it but I feel like you're just dismissing that side of things.
 
Because I have no strong desires on what to do so I just outsource my decision making to family.
But the way you spoke about it before suggested you're sort of stuck in that situation, that others impose it on you. This statement shows it's a decision you are choosing to make. So that means it is within your control to change - and if you don't, there's one person responsible. ...and don't take that as "you're doomed"; it means you have power.

Decide to have strong desires and interests. Not to pretend so other people think you do. But to force yourself into feeling something and finding some fire - for yourself.


I try to be more vocal about how I'm feeling but I don't a point of reference for what normal is and often whenever I bring up my dissatisfaction with life it's just treated as a failing on my part for not making a genuine effort to go out and enjoy myself.
I meant to your psychiatrist. And forget what is/ is not "normal." Just be honest with them. Normal may be a way off, but just bc you don't understand it now doesn't mean you can't ever learn/ get there.


I'd rather browse on my phone than just sit around listening to a conversation that doesn't involve me.
I get that, and we all have times we don't care to engage or try to be social. But in the times when you're doing that, it doesn't "count" as making an effort or trying the "useless" advice.


as other people here have pointed out any woman I get is likely to be an abusive bitch who makes my life a living hell because I'm too desperate to leave.
🙄 Lord. Everything people toss out is not a literal reality 100% of the time. People were saying that, generally, being desperate isn't a good starting angle.

Question for you: what does "getting a woman" look like? How does it happen, what does the interaction look like? What happens on day 3, 30, 300 (if days 30 or 300 are in your idea)?


The closest I've got has been some dry message chains that never span more than a dozen posts.
Can you give an overview/ summary of how the convos went?


Who?
accuse me of being abusive
In what way?
despite having been single my whole life just because I don't want my hypothetical woman to be influenced against me
What does this mean?
or tempted by other men.
I think you're putting the cart before the horse here.


at my school everyone arrives when class starts, leave to get something to eat during break, come back when break ends then go straight home when class is over. I don't think I could put a name to the face of more than two or three of my classmates.
With whom do you go get something to eat? How often to you make a side comment to a classmate, either in class or on a break/ when class ends?

Is there no student center or other places on or around campus that people go now and then?


And infidelity comes from financial independence. Dependency keeps relationships together, people today are sick and treat any form of stabilizing factors in a relationship as signs of abuse.
Retarded take, sorry. But let me walk that quick response back: what "stabilizing factors" in a relationship are seen as signs of abuse, and how often have you seen this happen up-close and personally?
 
dang nigga your college fucking sucks in my college before a class starts everyone stands in some circle and talks with each other
then theres like a bigass party every thursday where people dance and shit nigga pick a better college or something idk
Really? I thought the guy who convinced me to go must have just based his perception of American collages off of what he's seen in movies, but that sounds even more extravagant than what I was promised.
I meant to your psychiatrist. And forget what is/ is not "normal." Just be honest with them. Normal may be a way off, but just bc you don't understand it now doesn't mean you can't ever learn/ get there.
I do, but I'm still treated like everything is fine and my lack of enjoyment in activities and social success are attributed to personal failings rather than a need for medication.
It's not important, just try new hobbies, find something you like, get good at it, meet new people also get good and passionate about your job.

Women love a competent and passionate man.

Also you need female friends, practice girlsfriends or just being around women. I also feel like the male friend side is lacking too
Decide to have strong desires and interests. Not to pretend so other people think you do. But to force yourself into feeling something and finding some fire - for yourself.
I don't really know how to do any of that though, how do I just become passionate?
🙄 Lord. Everything people toss out is not a literal reality 100% of the time. People were saying that, generally, being desperate isn't a good starting angle.

Question for you: what does "getting a woman" look like? How does it happen, what does the interaction look like? What happens on day 3, 30, 300 (if days 30 or 300 are in your idea)?
"likely" doesn't mean 100% of the time I'm just acknowledging that there's a fairly high chance of being used and abused if I get a woman
I have no idea how to get a woman or what it would look like, I'd probably just spent most of my time trying to appease her and keep her from leaving me.
Can you give an overview/ summary of how the convos went?
Usually doesn't get farther than asking each other how our day has been and making some small talk before she stops replying. I don't know if I need to be direct with my interest in her or what.
Who?
In what way?
Internet randoms that respond to my cringe "need pussy" rants, and by pretty directly just saying that I seem like I would be abusive if I ever got a woman.
With whom do you go get something to eat? How often to you make a side comment to a classmate, either in class or on a break/ when class ends?

Is there no student center or other places on or around campus that people go now and then?
I usually don't get anything to eat(I have dinner before class to save money) and when I have I've gone alone usually I just take the time to get my dating swipes done(if I didn't already) and to work on homework. The student center(if that's what I'm thinking of) is basically just for tech support and information, people don't go there often from what I've seen(though admittedly their hours end around the time my class starts so I can't say for sure)
Retarded take, sorry. But let me walk that quick response back: what "stabilizing factors" in a relationship are seen as signs of abuse, and how often have you seen this happen up-close and personally?
Removal of financial independence, cutting someone off from family, friends and therapists who could provide dissenting opinions that sort of thing. IMO it's all down to what results from that. I don't think it's all that crazy for a man to not want a dozen people whispering lies about him into his wife's ear and telling her to leave him or for her to easily be able to leave with little consequence. It sounds abusive and controlling on the surface but if it's still a loving relationship then I don't see the problem. I've never seen it happen personally but whenever I mention such an idea I get accusations of being an abuser.
 
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