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I meant the older series, like Young Justice/Green Lantern TAS and prior, but yeah...
(Forgot to mention Razor and Aya being brought over as well, because, really why didn't they do this sooner)
I don't think DC has any popular series beyond My Adventures with Superman currently running to be worth it. And with My Adventures, the main thing people want is Kara and especially the Olsen/Kara relationship brought over. The rest of that series beyond shipping is pretty mediocre, so not much to gain there.
All of DC is mishandled. WW is but one character. Historia is the most sexist piece of crap that I had the misfortune to read. Imagine a story that actually believes men spend every waking moment of their lives trying to come up with ways to torture women. Like, we can't have a hobby that isn't all about inflicting a ton of pain to women or something. I got the distinct feeling that in the eyes of the writer, men could never love women. That they believe that men never held positive feelings for a woman be it their mother, daughter, niece, sister, friend or whatever. It was as if the entire universe is actually Hell and men were a type of demon sent to torture womankind. It was just THAT VILE!!!! And it is the canon backstory for AWW!
It’s a shame really. Wonder Woman in theory was meant to be a warrior that stands for both love and peace.
But she is either written as , to be blunt, a huge bitch . Or as a mouthpiece for politics. Everyone thinks they need to make a strong statement about feminism, and women with her, and she ends up suffering as a result. She is never allowed to be the inspiring and lovable heroine, she was supposed to be.
Personally, I wish DC would just take from the adaptations more. So much of their universe is defined by the cartoons and games to the general public, and they all added so much, that it is easy to see why the comics hard refusal to use any of it has been a turn off for those looking to get invested.
They really should. I say with zero irony that the DCAU is one of the best thing that has happened to DC in the last 30 years. It made the lore digestible for normies, created an entire generations of DC fans, and overall has just been massively influencial.
You could count with your hands any successful DC project they didn’t influence and improve in some form. People unironically care about characters like “The question” thanks to them.
I don't think DC has any popular series beyond My Adventures with Superman currently running to be worth it. And with My Adventures, the main thing people want is Kara and especially the Olsen/Kara relationship brought over. The rest of that series beyond shipping is pretty mediocre, so not much to gain there.
I like the fact that he transforms into the suit. He has access to Kryptonian technology. I would prefer a Power Rangers style transformation sequence though.
It’s a shame really. Wonder Woman in theory was meant to be a warrior that stands for both love and peace.
But she is either written as , to be blunt, a huge bitch . Or as a mouthpiece for politics. Everyone thinks they need to make a strong statement about feminism, and women with her, and she ends up suffering as a result. She is never allowed to be the inspiring and lovable heroine, she was supposed to be.
I saw the lesbian Superman show had Hank the Tank, that gives it points over Gunn’s slop, not much but Reign of the Supermen is incredibly based and the rare instance where every “new” character was a W and excellent dissections of the Man of Steel, his duality, his identity as the last kryptonian, his image as a man of the people and the crushing weight of his failures made into four fantastic characters.
I hate Snyder but him botching the epic that is the Death and Return is unforgivable. That was my first omni purchase and when my nephew is old enough, he’s getting the paperback. It’s *the* spectacle event comic.
Caped Crusader is a series that got locked behind Amazon, so not many watched, and pretty much everyone who did seems to hate it. I don't even think the usual woke types showed up for it. The 00s definitely had their controversial series, but you can still see an audience actually care for The Batman or B&TB, and more importantly children, of which I don't think any watched Bruce Timm's latest slop.
It is crazy that a Superman cartoon is getting far more traction and now potentially forming a new DC animated universe over the Batman cartoon with the literal head writer of the most groundbreaking animated series of the 90s. I can criticize MAWS for how feminized it is, but it has its heart in the right place and knows its audience. Gunn getting BTFO'd by a series he was going to cancel having a much better Supergirl is just the cherry on top. If anything is going to influence the comics from this era, it will be MAWS, which isn't the worst outcome.
They really should. I say with zero irony that the DCAU is one of the best thing that has happened to DC in the last 30 years. It made the lore digestible for normies, created an entire generations of DC fans, and overall has just been massively influencial.
You could count with your hands any successful DC project they didn’t influence and improve in some form. People unironically care about characters like “The question” thanks to them.
DC needs to take in a little of all their adaptations. Them stitched together would give you the perfect universe.
The main tone and feel should be somewhere amongst the DCAU, Young Justice and the DCAMU. The three of them have worked as the primary base of the DC fandom for the past decade. I like the world and villains of the DCAU, but the more drama heavy and interpersonal relationship stories were better handled in the Young Justice/DCAMU side. Basically, DCAU for big world events and fun characters, Young Justice for more personal character growth and development.
Obviously 03 Titans should start becoming the base of TT since it has already been tracking that way, and that is how Millennials-Zoomers see the brand.
I really wish The Batman 04 would get highlighted more. I think @Humble Architect would agree that Ethan should have been brought over and cemented as the black character of the franchise over the comics lame attempts to diversify with Lucious and Duke. Ellen Yin was also a cool addition worth keeping, maybe set her up as another Bat family member's Gordon. As a bonus, keep Firefly's design from this series, he only looked cool here.
Bring Razor and Aya over, they were a fun character arc for Green Lantern and managed to gain a cult following since Razor is pretty much Lantern Zuko
Brave & The Bold has a lot of greatness to add in bringing over the Silver/Bronze age feel. Kind of similar to Young Justice, I like how this series plays around with the generational dynamic, like Batman is now the mentor building up young heroes like Jaime. The JSA is often referenced and handled as sort of the grandparents of the universe. It's sweet and a dynamic that should have honestly been kept up for DC. Plus, it gives perfect characterizations to the D-listers.
Justice League Action is pretty similar to B&TB. Might have a more personality filled WW then the DCAU as she is a bit more tomboy.
MAWS is at least good at making Superman sweet and getting people invested in relationships between him and Lois and Kara/Jimmy.
DCSHG made a girl team work and made lesser female characters appealing. I honestly would steal Diana, Kara, Jessica, and Karen from this series, they are all very likable.
I have not seen enough of Legion, but I know it has its fans and works as a decent base for this somewhat obscure brand. People seem to really like edgy Superman.
I find it amusingly hypocritical to say "I hate the cops" and then expect them to protect your ass because "It's the least they can do." I feel that more than just being "anti-cop," it's a case of them not realizing that they're the NPCs who, out of nowhere, hate Spiderman because of JJ's sensationalism.
Well duh. If leftists didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any, as the saying goes. They never suffer the consequences of their politics, and if they're not rich, they're at least affluent, never the poor some allegedly defend.
The situation is hilarious. I mean, there are also people who claim to be "comic book experts" who would tell you that "There's a lot of police brutality these days" with ICE, or that "It's another continuity that loves Nazis." I mean, I'll say this: the Absolute Universe will probably become a total flop for the Woke crowd, not ironically, with people saying that Superman would help the worker and Batman would beat up Nazi cops, along with the Martian who "explores mental health"—you know, topics that comics have to touch on to be "deep and empathetic."
It's all safe edgy. True 90s anti-hero characters would kill people without stopping to check if one is a "protected minority" (like evil black guys and/or victims, who are rare nowadays), unlike what every Western show does. I hope this lame Ultimate copy dies off.
But she is either written as , to be blunt, a huge bitch . Or as a mouthpiece for politics. Everyone thinks they need to make a strong statement about feminism, and women with her, and she ends up suffering as a result. She is never allowed to be the inspiring and lovable heroine, she was supposed to be.
We can't have an healthy relationship between men and women today, duh, no matter how inane it becomes.
The best part is how the message (heh), is so uniform, that it's the same shit everywhere. "Main" Batman is already poor like Abso-Bats because rich people are bad or something, all cops are bastards (except black ones), and red-heads are now suddenly black.
I bet that if for whatever reason Trump was suddenly to become okay in the Woke Cult's eyes, they would change their message overnight, no matter how jarring it feels, just like that scene from 1984 about the hated enemy being swapped by the other party.
I've seen stuff like this happen already.
Caped Crusader is a series that got locked behind Amazon, so not many watched, and pretty much everyone who did seems to hate it. I don't even think the usual woke types showed up for it.
Wokes don't watch TV or consume anything they proclaim to defend.
Caped Crusader was weaksauce, had no overarching story, and nothing that the original show hadn't done before (and better).
That reminds me: I've been watching the cartoons plus the JLA ones as I didn't watch them all back them, I can see why they were so beloved. Sadly, I'm almost done with JLA International. Should I bother with The Batman from the 00s, or Young Justice from the 2010s? The latter goes full woke according from what I read here, plus it has a ton of episodes. I don't know much about The Bats other than the Dracula movie, which was quite metal.
ven examples of I can think of that DID come to mainstream are either things that happened ridiculously early when the characters were still very new and finding their footing (Superman flying via Captain Marvel's influence, or radio introducing kryptonite and Jimmy Olsen... all that happened in the early 1940s) or just a few new tidbits organically taped on as if they were indigenous elements in the first place (Harley Quinn just popping up in comics one day as yet another Bat-villain).
Caped Crusader is a series that got locked behind Amazon, so not many watched, and pretty much everyone who did seems to hate it. I don't even think the usual woke types showed up for it. The 00s definitely had their controversial series, but you can still see an audience actually care for The Batman or B&TB, and more importantly children, of which I don't think any watched Bruce Timm's latest slop.
Every time I see a show I thought was horrible, I see people calling it their childhood. There is always a significant number of fans. Probably nowhere near as many as the previous series but if it has more seasons, we will see. Maybe they are still in the contractually obligated seasons and it will be canceled after that.
It is crazy that a Superman cartoon is getting far more traction and now potentially forming a new DC animated universe over the Batman cartoon with the literal head writer of the most groundbreaking animated series of the 90s. I can criticize MAWS for how feminized it is, but it has its heart in the right place and knows its audience. Gunn getting BTFO'd by a series he was going to cancel having a much better Supergirl is just the cherry on top. If anything is going to influence the comics from this era, it will be MAWS, which isn't the worst outcome.
MAWS is shojo Superman. The characters and story are the same but it is targeted at girls. It is frankly amazing how they pulled something like this off. I appreciate the effort and heart.
DC needs to take in a little of all their adaptations. Them stitched together would give you the perfect universe.
The main tone and feel should be somewhere amongst the DCAU, Young Justice and the DCAMU. The three of them have worked as the primary base of the DC fandom for the past decade. I like the world and villains of the DCAU, but the more drama heavy and interpersonal relationship stories were better handled in the Young Justice/DCAMU side. Basically, DCAU for big world events and fun characters, Young Justice for more personal character growth and development.
Obviously 03 Titans should start becoming the base of TT since it has already been tracking that way, and that is how Millennials-Zoomers see the brand.
I really wish The Batman 04 would get highlighted more. I think @Humble Architect would agree that Ethan should have been brought over and cemented as the black character of the franchise over the comics lame attempts to diversify with Lucious and Duke. Ellen Yin was also a cool addition worth keeping, maybe set her up as another Bat family member's Gordon. As a bonus, keep Firefly's design from this series, he only looked cool here.
Ethan and Ellen were amazing. I always liked Ethan for being the best version of Clayface. I think he was more interesting than failed actor Clayface. Imo, the failed actor backstory makes Clayface far weaker as a character next to someone like Mr. Freeze.
Bring Razor and Aya over, they were a fun character arc for Green Lantern and managed to gain a cult following since Razor is pretty much Lantern Zuko
Brave & The Bold has a lot of greatness to add in bringing over the Silver/Bronze age feel. Kind of similar to Young Justice, I like how this series plays around with the generational dynamic, like Batman is now the mentor building up young heroes like Jaime. The JSA is often referenced and handled as sort of the grandparents of the universe. It's sweet and a dynamic that should have honestly been kept up for DC. Plus, it gives perfect characterizations to the D-listers.
Yup. Razor proves how popular the Zuko archetype is. And while I do feel that some characters needed better costumes, I liked being introduced to so many new (to me) characters with BATB.
DCSHG made a girl team work and made lesser female characters appealing. I honestly would steal Diana, Kara, Jessica, and Karen from this series, they are all very likable.
I have not seen enough of Legion, but I know it has its fans and works as a decent base for this somewhat obscure brand. People seem to really like edgy Superman.
I watched it. It is a very good adaptation. Kel-El is far less of an edgelord than he looks. He grew up in a post-Apocalypse world with his parents and was fighting constantly but he is also willing to learn to live as a normal person and build friendships. He is a harsher Superman but still has the spirit.
It's all safe edgy. True 90s anti-hero characters would kill people without stopping to check if one is a "protected minority" (like evil black guys and/or victims, who are rare nowadays), unlike what every Western show does. I hope this lame Ultimate copy dies off.
That reminds me: I've been watching the cartoons plus the JLA ones as I didn't watch them all back them, I can see why they were so beloved. Sadly, I'm almost done with JLA International. Should I bother with The Batman from the 00s, or Young Justice from the 2010s? The latter goes full woke according from what I read here, plus it has a ton of episodes. I don't know much about The Bats other than the Dracula movie, which was quite metal.
Yes, you should try The Batman. Try the League of Superheroes too. With Young Justice, know it becomes very woke as time goes on. Still made by competent people but the cast becomes too bloated too.
Ethan Bennett’s arc was when “The Batman” earned the spurs, it was before “Under the Red Hood” and so the idea of a Killing Joke/Death in the Family happening……… and the victim being dangerous and something Bats has to fight was new if I wasn’t mistaken. It’s the first major time in that series where it’s not satisfying to be Batman when the credits roll.
Most of the villains were more monsterous and Clayface was too, but that time it wasn’t a case where Batman gets a beating, adapts and comes back as an unrelenting force. His best friend got tortured by a psychopath and is now sludge escaping through the drains.
His appearance as “Grundy” was another fun episode, loved the early on tease that Gotham was supernatural and there was something inherently wrong with it, that its Dracula was brilliant.
Ethan Bennett’s arc was when “The Batman” earned the spurs, it was before “Under the Red Hood” and so the idea of a Killing Joke/Death in the Family happening……… and the victim being dangerous and something Bats has to fight was new if I wasn’t mistaken. It’s the first major time in that series where it’s not satisfying to be Batman when the credits roll.
Most of the villains were more monsterous and Clayface was too, but that time it wasn’t a case where Batman gets a beating, adapts and comes back as an unrelenting force. His best friend got tortured by a psychopath and is now sludge escaping through the drains.
His appearance as “Grundy” was another fun episode, loved the early on tease that Gotham was supernatural and there was something inherently wrong with it, that its Dracula was brilliant.
That was “my Batman” growing up and while the cast were very definitively unique takes, I still prefer Rino’s Batman/Bruce.
I really hate the “Bruce Wayne is just a mask” thing and The Batman pivoted hard in the opposite direction DCAU Bruce went (hilariously he ends up as a Frank Miller Batman) and I liked it, he’s more Iron Man in S1 than Batman and he gets his ass kicked when the consequences of his existence rear their head, the “super criminals” which in that series he was more responsible than usual for some of those freaks.
It was Frank Miller Batman for kids. In S1 he’d quip and was pretty clearly an adrenaline junkie, he was snarking at Joker, unthinkable for the modern 2edgy4me Batman. Then you see him grow into the joyless Dark Knight, which in my opinion was the end of the Dracula movie, where he takes the mantle from the actual Prince of Darkness.
I really hate the “Bruce Wayne is just a mask” thing and The Batman pivoted hard in the opposite direction DCAU Bruce went (hilariously he ends up as a Frank Miller Batman) and I liked it, he’s more Iron Man in S1 than Batman and he gets his ass kicked when the consequences of his existence rear their head, the “super criminals” which in that series he was more responsible than usual for some of those freaks.
Bruce and Batman work best when they are in balance. Bruce needs an outlet for his sense of justice and Batman needs a moral compass. They need each other and it is better when the writers understand it. Batman Beyond demonstrated it best. In there, Batman kept his desire for intimacy bottled down until they spilled over and destroyed the family. A mistake but also the natural outcome of wearing the cowl this tight.
More like that Timm wanted to have this happen for shock value. Speaking of: In which show was that gross relationship shown, if any? I recall that Beyond implied it, but I swear it was actually shown somewhere (not counting the Killing Joke movie).
He probably is into it. I remember something to that effect. Still, it reinforces the theme of "do not follow in Bruce's steps" like Epilogue showed. In there, Terry chooses to have a family and have a positive relationship with Bruce. He is not as smart as Bruce but he is healthier.
Speaking of: In which show was that gross relationship shown, if any? I recall that Beyond implied it, but I swear it was actually shown somewhere (not counting the Killing Joke movie).
It is crazy that a Superman cartoon is getting far more traction and now potentially forming a new DC animated universe over the Batman cartoon with the literal head writer of the most groundbreaking animated series of the 90s. I can criticize MAWS for how feminized it is, but it has its heart in the right place and knows its audience. Gunn getting BTFO'd by a series he was going to cancel having a much better Supergirl is just the cherry on top. If anything is going to influence the comics from this era, it will be MAWS, which isn't the worst outcome.
I was worried it would be woke garbage because it was made by the same people that did She-Ra.
It didn’t help that some of the anti-woke grifters just straight up lied about it, like “It’s a Gundam”:
Once you watch his video, it becomes obvious he didn’t even watch it and just made the video for a quick buck.
But I was pleasantly surprised in that they did their homework and kept the core aspects of Superman. He is not depicted as an evil male or toxic. In fact, they have done a far better job with the Superman characters than other DC projects, like Gunn himself.
It’s obviously made by creators who watch too much anime, especially shoujo. There’s many changes that depart from the DCAU style , specially the character designs. It has action but it’s still obvious they’re aiming for a higher female audience.
But to be honest, I don’t mind them doing their own take and interpretation for another demographic, as long as they keep the soul of the characters, which they absolutely have.
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The execution aside. At least I got what Zack Snyder was trying to do with the DC characters he selected to start a shared universe with.
Zack Snyder is a teenage Superman fan. He likes Superman but would prefer if he dressed in all black, was brooding and serious. Basically, he wanted Speeding Bullet. James Gunn is a teenage Superman hater. He thinks Superman is a naïve idiot. Basically he wants Brightburn (which he produced).
