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Save for one off stories, Superman is never going to be old for good. It’s a floating timeline. So John is never really gonna replace his dad for good. It’s as thinking Damien could ever replace Bruce, in the real world, as the Batman everyone likes.
That sadly negatively impacts all the legacy characters.
From a story perspective, the build up of DC is supposed to be that Dick Grayson replaces Clark as head of the Justice League eventually. They keep teasing it and doing events where he steps in, but the timeline never stays on track so these changes never stick. The Teen Titans never become the JL and are perpetually locked to the same stories of proving themselves for it.
Only Terry McGuinness ever actually succeeds the mentor and that is only because Beyond is set way later in the timeline where most of the universe is established as dead or retired.
Damien is someone I am having a hard time ever hearing speak. He rarely is tolerable. My opinion? He should have been forced to interact with characters like Ravager. Have him see early on what happens when you follow in the steps of the assassin parent and start seeing what Bruce and his family can do for him and work off from there. Otherwise he feels too much like a murderous brat (which he is but not in an appealing way like Killua).
If comics weren’t never-ending, Damian’s best route would have been to become Frank Miller Batman in canon after Bruce dies and the other bat children move onto their own groups. Gotham gets more violent with time, which tracks for both Returns and later Beyond, so Damian devolves with the city leading to him becoming the sad old man for Beyond. Terry is a clone probably designed by Talia/Ras because Damian never procreated to keep the Al Ghul / Wayne bloodline alive, somewhat making the Beyond twist work as a nice full circle to Damian’s creation.
Jon can then work as having a strained relationship with Damian. He takes over for his father, trying to keep the peace like in Returns. The aftermath of the fight between him and Damian leaves the relationship strained till Beyond when Jon tries to recruit Terry for the new JL being built.
Easiest fix for Damian TBH. He now works as a great vessel to connect the biggest Batman stories to main continuity without devolving the progress Bruce made in building a family and wide array of connections in the hero community
This is the same Disney that thinks if they just call people racist enough that they will come back to their movies and who thinks paying RDjr. 100 million dollars per movie to play someone other than Tony Stark is a good business move. They could make Godzilla Minus One ten times over for what they are paying one actor who hasn't had a hit film since 2019. I don't think they are smart enough to understand that. I think they think if they are the only game in town they will make all the money, that is why they buy every studio out there and if they can't buy it they try to destroy it.
Oh for truth and justice, every time one of the big players stoops to saying "If you don't like it, you're racist" or directly insults you, it fuels political polarization because they made movies "implicitly political." I remember people complaining because Disney boasted about "having its first X minority" as if it were an "achievement" for anyone. Even Goosex does a better job of supporting trans people by making their Digital Circus series.
Yeah these guys rage against the police but I have been to Marvel and DC's offices and there is a heavy police presence out side the offices and they have armed security guards. Like all commie cowards they call for the death of cops while expecting the cops to take a bullet for them.
I find it amusingly hypocritical to say "I hate the cops" and then expect them to protect your ass because "It's the least they can do." I feel that more than just being "anti-cop," it's a case of them not realizing that they're the NPCs who, out of nowhere, hate Spiderman because of JJ's sensationalism.
I'm not sure at what point being a comic author became synonymous with being a commie dickhole, but it definitely seems to have happened. Now it seems you can only have a good militarily-aligned character if their entire existence is centered around stomping Nazis/corrupt police officers/rednecks. Hal Jordan suffers a lot from this one, too. It's going to eventually become the case that you can't have a character even be friendly with the police, which is what we're seeing happen in Batman right now. Does Barry Allen still do police work, or has that been phased out by now?
The situation is hilarious. I mean, there are also people who claim to be "comic book experts" who would tell you that "There's a lot of police brutality these days" with ICE, or that "It's another continuity that loves Nazis." I mean, I'll say this: the Absolute Universe will probably become a total flop for the Woke crowd, not ironically, with people saying that Superman would help the worker and Batman would beat up Nazi cops, along with the Martian who "explores mental health"—you know, topics that comics have to touch on to be "deep and empathetic."
Yeah to that point, I remember a complaint of the PS4 Spiderman game was that it had Spiderman acting too much like a cop. Which doesn’t make sense because how would any of these criminals get arrested if superheroes didn’t work with the police? Oh right, I made the mistake of using logic in a situation where there is none.
You forgot one point: Spider-Man, despite not killing, is seen as a threat because he "operates outside the law." God, so many superheroes act as the most effective version of the police, which makes the inconsistency even funnier—writers having shitty thoughts like "The police are bad, they kill minorities" or "The criminal is a victim of the system" when what they write, and what they're told to write, is the fact that many villains are bad because they WANT TO BE BAD, and superheroes have to stop them but wait for them to reform and become good (like in any Shonen manga, apparently).
Such a stupid name! You know the guy who answers with "Personality" when he is asked what is his type of woman? That is the kind of bland this name is. Pretentiousness trying to mask itself as depth. And yes, I compared the one who came up with this name to Megumi.
They tried. And burned everything in their path to do it until they realized that there is no way to ship any comics with a gay Superman.
When the writer is an extremist Commie, we can't have American patriotism until the hammer and sickle is added to the flag.
God, professional writers shouldn't be allowed to express their absurd politics, because of course being a patriot is the same as being a "Nazi," apparently. Because, of course, not experiencing the problems firsthand helps a lot in empathizing not with "needy" people, but with "idealistic" ideologies like Communism and progressivism. I mean, they tell you that the USA is a shitty country full of drug addicts and "Nazis everywhere." It's that kind of crap where the "Anti-Woke" Slope proliferates, and then they complain about its existence because their "Woke" Slope demands that you support these ideas that were implemented as a disastrous mess.
So, is it really so surprising that they know the comic book industry almost collapsed due to its vices and speculation? Currently, the pseudo-Woke slump they're dealing with is starting to screw them over, even with the stroke of luck that is the Absolute Universe, since the communist message is supported by the story quite well, to be honest. I truly hope that Absolute Batman doesn't become a poorly executed pamphlet.
God, professional writers shouldn't be allowed to express their absurd politics, because of course being a patriot is the same as being a "Nazi," apparently. Because, of course, not experiencing the problems firsthand helps a lot in empathizing not with "needy" people, but with "idealistic" ideologies like Communism and progressivism. I mean, they tell you that the USA is a shitty country full of drug addicts and "Nazis everywhere." It's that kind of crap where the "Anti-Woke" Slope proliferates, and then they complain about its existence because their "Woke" Slope demands that you support these ideas that were implemented as a disastrous mess.
You know I am starting to think whoever makes the porn version of Supergirl where Lobo bangs Supergirl is going to make more of a proffit than Warner Brothers is off of the Supergirl movie.
The porn version will most likely have better special effects too.
Absolute Batman is just a reflection of "what if Joker was Bruce Wayne and Batman was the normal dude who got turned into what he is by Bruce Wayne's actions" and while it seems interesting on the surface, you know Batman's going to win against the Joker, and everything will turn out for the better, because that's how comics always are. It's less a "stroke of luck" and more "writers are pretending to do something different but in stupid ways that appeal to the same readers who were already reading the mainline comics."
I mean, I'll say this: the Absolute Universe will probably become a total flop for the Woke crowd, not ironically, with people saying that Superman would help the worker and Batman would beat up Nazi cops, along with the Martian who "explores mental health"—you know, topics that comics have to touch on to be "deep and empathetic."
A majority of the Absolute Universe really doesn't interest me that much, to be honest, feels like the authors either took way too many liberties with what they're doing (Martian Manhunter feels like the writers were on crack, because it's nearly unintelligible) or they didn't go far enough away from what the mainline universe does (Superman). And it's also the little things, trying to push their ideology or slipping in some gay romance where it doesn't belong (Green Lantern was ridiculous with both trying to push Jo, who I'm going to be honest never seemed that popular in the mainline universe, let alone here, and putting her lesbian relationship front and center). Catwoman is just "what if we changed things so Selina Kyle was rich and also not white for political points." Flash and Wonder Woman are alright, I guess, just way too slow for me to even care so I didn't bother focusing in on anything that might stand out politically.
What I'm trying to say is, they were always using the Absolute Universe to push whatever political nonsense they want to push, they just hide it behind pretending they're going to change things compared to the already really woke mainline universe. And judging by comments on rco, people eat it up. They love it. I'd be surprised if DC doesn't just destroy the entire Absolute Universe eventually or just make some of their heroes lose hard, because that's what the Absolute Universe is supposed to be, isn't it? Heroes going through way more struggles than they "normally" would? Writers don't always have to write a story where the heroes come out on top, that's for the mainline universe. If they really were taking risks, they'd let some of their heroes fail, and I mean actual failure, not just "looks like they failed and then they come back and win" that they're inevitably setting up for every Absolute hero.
It's funny because in Absolute Evil, the writers directly mention people who feel like they're doing the right thing but are setting themselves up for failure and still feeling better for it:
So they know exactly what they are, and still choose to fight... which is fine in comics since like I said earlier, they're setting up the heroes to win. But in real life, they just keep losing, and still feel like they're not only doing the right thing, but think they should continue doing the same thing over and over again. Ironically, they also mention that in Absolute Evil, the idea that "rebels" think they can/should change the world, even if the world doesn't want it to be that way. You could take that in both political directions, right or left, but the point is, they know what they could be doing, but choose to keep writing about stuff general audiences don't want, and want to pretend like they're morally better for it. These people want to lose (or in this case, make less money), so they can feel better, but also want to win, so they can feel better and also gloat about it to you. They literally wrote about themselves, in both the heroes (pretending they're doing something for the world, or in this case sales from DC as a whole) and villains (who control the world, or in this case the writing), and refuse to admit it.
Oh, they did this too in the Absolute Green Arrow series:
It gets somewhat refuted right after with Absolute Black Canary pointing out that people like her (the person Black Canary is talking to) don't do anything that really matters, but it's blatant "hey here's what's wrong with our real life world" stuff that is only really in there because mainline Green Arrow is a massive liberal (in the very annoying sense) so Absolute Oliver Queen was basically the same thing (and obviously to shove their political agenda in the comic).
I know I only talked about the Absolute Universe here and ranted more than I should have, but the same could be said for the other projects. What exactly is appealing to general audiences about "Supergirl but she's not like anything Supergirl should be"? So writers can feel better about being drunk failures who, unlike normal Supergirl, don't try to live up to their potential? It's a large failure on the part of DC, and comics, as a whole. Might as well fire every single writer and replace them with people who know what they're doing but also aren't going to push a message audiences don't want to read.
Absolute is an abomination of a line and I’m an unironic Ultimate 1.0 fan. I detest every book and genuinely I feel like how the Alex Ross and Waid types must’ve felt in the 90s.
The Kingdom has to Come again, the lesson wasn’t learned.
Absolute Batman is just a reflection of "what if Joker was Bruce Wayne and Batman was the normal dude who got turned into what he is by Bruce Wayne's actions" and while it seems interesting on the surface, you know Batman's going to win against the Joker, and everything will turn out for the better, because that's how comics always are. It's less a "stroke of luck" and more "writers are pretending to do something different but in stupid ways that appeal to the same readers who were already reading the mainline comics."
A majority of the Absolute Universe really doesn't interest me that much, to be honest, feels like the authors either took way too many liberties with what they're doing (Martian Manhunter feels like the writers were on crack, because it's nearly unintelligible) or they didn't go far enough away from what the mainline universe does (Superman). And it's also the little things, trying to push their ideology or slipping in some gay romance where it doesn't belong (Green Lantern was ridiculous with both trying to push Jo, who I'm going to be honest never seemed that popular in the mainline universe, let alone here, and putting her lesbian relationship front and center). Catwoman is just "what if we changed things so Selina Kyle was rich and also not white for political points." Flash and Wonder Woman are alright, I guess, just way too slow for me to even care so I didn't bother focusing in on anything that might stand out politically.
What I'm trying to say is, they were always using the Absolute Universe to push whatever political nonsense they want to push, they just hide it behind pretending they're going to change things compared to the already really woke mainline universe. And judging by comments on rco, people eat it up. They love it. I'd be surprised if DC doesn't just destroy the entire Absolute Universe eventually or just make some of their heroes lose hard, because that's what the Absolute Universe is supposed to be, isn't it? Heroes going through way more struggles than they "normally" would? Writers don't always have to write a story where the heroes come out on top, that's for the mainline universe. If they really were taking risks, they'd let some of their heroes fail, and I mean actual failure, not just "looks like they failed and then they come back and win" that they're inevitably setting up for every Absolute hero.
It's funny because in Absolute Evil, the writers directly mention people who feel like they're doing the right thing but are setting themselves up for failure and still feeling better for it:
So they know exactly what they are, and still choose to fight... which is fine in comics since like I said earlier, they're setting up the heroes to win. But in real life, they just keep losing, and still feel like they're not only doing the right thing, but think they should continue doing the same thing over and over again. Ironically, they also mention that in Absolute Evil, the idea that "rebels" think they can/should change the world, even if the world doesn't want it to be that way. You could take that in both political directions, right or left, but the point is, they know what they could be doing, but choose to keep writing about stuff general audiences don't want, and want to pretend like they're morally better for it. These people want to lose (or in this case, make less money), so they can feel better, but also want to win, so they can feel better and also gloat about it to you. They literally wrote about themselves, in both the heroes (pretending they're doing something for the world, or in this case sales from DC as a whole) and villains (who control the world, or in this case the writing), and refuse to admit it.
They want to be Rosa Parks and MLK. They hate the fact that the biggest fights were fought and now they feel like aimless losers. That is why they fight with such zealotry for criminal illegals and predatory troons. They feel like it is their chance to be like the Civil Rights Movement but they do not notice that things aren't the same.
It gets somewhat refuted right after with Absolute Black Canary pointing out that people like her (the person Black Canary is talking to) don't do anything that really matters, but it's blatant "hey here's what's wrong with our real life world" stuff that is only really in there because mainline Green Arrow is a massive liberal (in the very annoying sense) so Absolute Oliver Queen was basically the same thing (and obviously to shove their political agenda in the comic).
They always fail to understand what is real. They don't live in our real life world, they live in social media.
I remember an issue about Pied Piper threatening to deafen a landlord unless he sold him all his properties because he was moved by a fat, gay and brown kid that was stealing to help pay rent. I was thinking what would happen if he actually DID deafen the guy and he had to face consequences for it. You know, the security camera catches him doing it, the rest of the heroes disassociate with him because he crippled a guy who was dealt a bad hand and he was faced with a lawsuit and prison time etc etc. That would have been an interesting story.
I know I only talked about the Absolute Universe here and ranted more than I should have, but the same could be said for the other projects. What exactly is appealing to general audiences about "Supergirl but she's not like anything Supergirl should be"? So writers can feel better about being drunk failures who, unlike normal Supergirl, don't try to live up to their potential? It's a large failure on the part of DC, and comics, as a whole. Might as well fire every single writer and replace them with people who know what they're doing but also aren't going to push a message audiences don't want to read.
Absolute is an abomination of a line and I’m an unironic Ultimate 1.0 fan. I detest every book and genuinely I feel like how the Alex Ross and Waid types must’ve felt in the 90s.
My prediction is Ultimate 1.0 for Absolute. It will stick around for awhile but they will blow it up to take the best and worst parts for mainline (Maker and Miles) and torch it so they can resell omnis and trades till the end of time. While coincidentally the main versions will start looking like their Absolute versions.
Milly is in the "I know this movie will bomb so I have to pretend it was the fault of right wing chuds to save face" phase of the movie.
Lobo is likely gonna bring some seats, but the harsh reality is that she was miscast. She really is the worst looking live action Supergirl. And if Gunn gave her an obnoxious girl boss personality, the writting is not going to save the movie.
Even the Supergirl from the Flash movie was better, and she doesn't even look the part.
My prediction is Ultimate 1.0 for Absolute. It will stick around for awhile but they will blow it up to take the best and worst parts for mainline (Maker and Miles) and torch it so they can resell omnis and trades till the end of time. While coincidentally the main versions will start looking like their Absolute versions.
I have a gut feeling that Absolute won't affect mainstream DC much if at all in the long run. While I'm sure people can and will show me examples where adapted material DOES permanently influence the mainstream, DC's stable of characters has always felt more "iconic" and "set in stone" versus the more malleable Marvel. I can't see say mainstream Bats with an axe, and even Wonder Woman with the barbarian sword-and-shield come the New52 is slowly, thankfully, losing ground to the Lasso of Truth again.
Even examples of I can think of that DID come to mainstream are either things that happened ridiculously early when the characters were still very new and finding their footing (Superman flying via Captain Marvel's influence, or radio introducing kryptonite and Jimmy Olsen... all that happened in the early 1940s) or just a few new tidbits organically taped on as if they were indigenous elements in the first place (Harley Quinn just popping up in comics one day as yet another Bat-villain).
I have a gut feeling that Absolute won't affect mainstream DC much if at all in the long run. While I'm sure people can and will show me examples where adapted material DOES permanently influence the mainstream, DC's stable of characters has always felt more "iconic" and "set in stone" versus the more malleable Marvel. I can't see say mainstream Bats with an axe, and even Wonder Woman with the barbarian sword-and-shield come the New52 is slowly, thankfully, losing ground to the Lasso of Truth again.
Even examples of I can think of that DID come to mainstream are either things that happened ridiculously early when the characters were still very new and finding their footing (Superman flying via Captain Marvel's influence, or radio introducing kryptonite and Jimmy Olsen... all that happened in the early 1940s) or just a few new tidbits organically taped on as if they were indigenous elements in the first place (Harley Quinn just popping up in comics one day as yet another Bat-villain).
I think you will see Jon or Conner looking like Absolute Supes, Brokie Batman getting a bit more “Absolute” and Wondy will get the tats. Arrow will get the Taskmaster ripoff look and any Absolute characters who are practically new characters with an old name will come over.
I hope I’m wrong, truthfully I wanted Absolute to join Earth 1, N52 Earth 2, N52 mainline, Injustice and all the Black Label books in failed edgy relaunches.
I like edge but I don’t like the DC heroes, the ones I view as more “pure” than Marvel’s inherent degeneracy, being edgy. It’s why I like KC’s “good man in a bad world” approach.
I have a gut feeling that Absolute won't affect mainstream DC much if at all in the long run. While I'm sure people can and will show me examples where adapted material DOES permanently influence the mainstream, DC's stable of characters has always felt more "iconic" and "set in stone" versus the more malleable Marvel. I can't see say mainstream Bats with an axe, and even Wonder Woman with the barbarian sword-and-shield come the New52 is slowly, thankfully, losing ground to the Lasso of Truth again.
The axe no but let's face it, after they started the spiel about how evil being rich is and caused Bruce to lose the money, the writing was on the wall. As for Diana, the weapons will be less prominent but the writers are in love with Historia and thus expect its influence to creep in.
Even examples of I can think of that DID come to mainstream are either things that happened ridiculously early when the characters were still very new and finding their footing (Superman flying via Captain Marvel's influence, or radio introducing kryptonite and Jimmy Olsen... all that happened in the early 1940s) or just a few new tidbits organically taped on as if they were indigenous elements in the first place (Harley Quinn just popping up in comics one day as yet another Bat-villain).
There were always new things being added. Robin, the rest of the Bat Family, the solar flare ability etc etc. Sadly, AU has been successful enough to implement elements from it.
I think you will see Jon or Conner looking like Absolute Supes, Brokie Batman getting a bit more “Absolute” and Wondy will get the tats. Arrow will get the Taskmaster ripoff look and any Absolute characters who are practically new characters with an old name will come over.
I like edge but I don’t like the DC heroes, the ones I view as more “pure” than Marvel’s inherent degeneracy, being edgy. It’s why I like KC’s “good man in a bad world” approach.
Exactly! Stop copying Marvel! The DC heroes are role models! Marvel has relatable heroes as the main style while DC has aspirational ones. That isn't to say that Marvel doesn't inspire or DC doesn't relate but, as a general feel, they are different.
Even examples of I can think of that DID come to mainstream are either things that happened ridiculously early when the characters were still very new and finding their footing (Superman flying via Captain Marvel's influence, or radio introducing kryptonite and Jimmy Olsen... all that happened in the early 1940s) or just a few new tidbits organically taped on as if they were indigenous elements in the first place (Harley Quinn just popping up in comics one day as yet another Bat-villain).
The DCAU has largely had the biggest impact on comics, reshaping Batman and Superman mostly, even if things are often wishy-washy and frustrating in how it is executed. Harley Quinn is the most obvious, but Renee Montoya was another BTAS original that came over. Nowadays, due to the joke status, we also get more Condiment King from BTAS. From Superman, Livewire eventually made it over, even if not used much, and they are frustratingly inconsistent on whether Mercy should also be worth being part of the cast - not to mention she is now always depicted as Asian in a weird carryover from the 04 Batman cartoon.
A lot of backstories also changed due to the DCAU, even if for a brief time. Mr. Freeze had the wife plot before it got taken away in New 52. Poison Ivy also got completely redefined into an eco-terrorist by BTAS.
03 Titans is now beginning to more heavily influence the comics since no cares about TT anymore past the cartoon. Red X just became a full comics character recently. It is also obvious DC wants to redo characterizations to be more inline with the cartoon and also wants to rectify the whole Pedo-Stroke thing by moving Terra towards her 03 incarnation.
Surprisingly, Music Meister made it over from Brave & The Bold, originally in a one-panel pride month thing, though he have a shot as a staying villain with him reappearing in Speed Force.
Arkham Knight also got reworked to bring the games into the main universe for a very short bit.
Personally, I wish DC would just take from the adaptations more. So much of their universe is defined by the cartoons and games to the general public, and they all added so much, that it is easy to see why the comics hard refusal to use any of it has been a turn off for those looking to get invested.
All of DC is mishandled. WW is but one character. Historia is the most sexist piece of crap that I had the misfortune to read. Imagine a story that actually believes men spend every waking moment of their lives trying to come up with ways to torture women. Like, we can't have a hobby that isn't all about inflicting a ton of pain to women or something. I got the distinct feeling that in the eyes of the writer, men could never love women. That they believe that men never held positive feelings for a woman be it their mother, daughter, niece, sister, friend or whatever. It was as if the entire universe is actually Hell and men were a type of demon sent to torture womankind. It was just THAT VILE!!!! And it is the canon backstory for AWW!
The DCAU has largely had the biggest impact on comics, reshaping Batman and Superman mostly, even if things are often wishy-washy and frustrating in how it is executed. Harley Quinn is the most obvious, but Renee Montoya was another BTAS original that came over. Nowadays, due to the joke status, we also get more Condiment King from BTAS. From Superman, Livewire eventually made it over, even if not used much, and they are frustratingly inconsistent on whether Mercy should also be worth being part of the cast - not to mention she is now always depicted as Asian in a weird carryover from the 04 Batman cartoon.
A lot of backstories also changed due to the DCAU, even if for a brief time. Mr. Freeze had the wife plot before it got taken away in New 52. Poison Ivy also got completely redefined into an eco-terrorist by BTAS.
03 Titans is now beginning to more heavily influence the comics since no cares about TT anymore past the cartoon. Red X just became a full comics character recently. It is also obvious DC wants to redo characterizations to be more inline with the cartoon and also wants to rectify the whole Pedo-Stroke thing by moving Terra towards her 03 incarnation.
Surprisingly, Music Meister made it over from Brave & The Bold, but it a one-panel pride month thing and is seemingly a potential stay with him reappearing in Speed Force.
Arkham Knight also got reworked to bring the games into the main universe for a very short bit.
Personally, I wish DC would just take from the adaptations more. So much of their universe is defined by the cartoons and games to the general public, and they all added so much, that it is easy to see why the comics hard refusal to use any of it has been a turn off for those looking to get invested.
