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Chilson dijo:
Why is this surprising to you? They haven't created any meaningful content that was even passable since season 1 way before Covid.

How is them making shit content still surprising??
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Wasn't surprising at all. The content has been shit since part way through season two.

Just wanted to add to the thread.
 
Chilson dijo:
Why is this surprising to you? They haven't created any meaningful content that was even passable since season 1 way before Covid.

How is them making shit content still surprising??
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Season 1 was good, and I'd argue most of season 2 pre-covid was still good. The issue is with the following they've cultivated when they killed the tumblr OC that was Mollymauk they had a lot of rabid fans because the alphabet checklist died. They became too scared to ever have another PC die that wasn't super scripted after that.

When they took that big break for covid and then came back phoned in the show went from feeling about 60/40 real/scripted to being so obviously a completely scripted show it was almost insulting. At this point I'm not sure why they even bother rolling dice and don't just act the scenes out how they're intended.
 
Wingnut dijo:
Season 1 was good, and I'd argue most of season 2 pre-covid was still good. The issue is with the following they've cultivated when they killed the tumblr OC that was Mollymauk they had a lot of rabid fans because the alphabet checklist died. They became too scared to ever have another PC die that wasn't super scripted after that.

When they took that big break for covid and then came back phoned in the show went from feeling about 60/40 real/scripted to being so obviously a completely scripted show it was almost insulting. At this point I'm not sure why they even bother rolling dice and don't just act the scenes out how they're intended.
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Season three has been an absolute shit show. They won't fight unless they absolutely have to and MM has watered down combat to the point that it is a walk in the park.

I wouldn't be surprised if season 4 moves away from DND and goes to a more narrative based system.
 
Ol' Slag dijo:
Season three has been an absolute shit show. They won't fight unless they absolutely have to and MM has watered down combat to the point that it is a walk in the park.

I wouldn't be surprised if season 4 moves away from DND and goes to a more narrative based system.
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I had been following S3 out or morbid curiosity for a while but fell off a bit ago, the last episode I think I watched was the Mad Max Fury Road race in the desert.
 
Wingnut dijo:
I had been following S3 out or morbid curiosity for a while but fell off a bit ago, the last episode I think I watched was the Mad Max Fury Road race in the desert.
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You haven't missed much. I tune in from time to time out of morbid curiosity and since then they haven't helped a single person.

They have:
-Murdered a church full of people because they were making the local doomsday cult uncomfy. They were proud of themselves for this.

-Harrassed the child of a wealthy patron, smashed his windows, and set fire to his basement (note said patron helped ressurect one of them when he really shouldn't have)

-Went on a team building retreat in the feywild instead of saving the world

-Had about a million conversations that boil down to "The gods never gave us anything (even though we've never prayed and are absurdly ignorant about the gods given the setting), therefore they suck, therefore it's fine if they all die."

It's actually fascinating watching the free fall.
 
Bluefeet dijo:
You haven't missed much. I tune in from time to time out of morbid curiosity and since then they haven't helped a single person.

They have:
-Murdered a church full of people because they were making the local doomsday cult uncomfy. They were proud of themselves for this.

-Harrassed the child of a wealthy patron, smashed his windows, and set fire to his basement (note said patron helped ressurect one of them when he really shouldn't have)

-Went on a team building retreat in the feywild instead of saving the world

-Had about a million conversations that boil down to "The gods never gave us anything (even though we've never prayed and are absurdly ignorant about the gods given the setting), therefore they suck, therefore it's fine if they all die."

It's actually fascinating watching the free fall.
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You know how Disney was doing twist villains for a while? Are we now on seeing a new trend in media that’s simply “the heroes are assholes”?
 
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Jeff Gerstmann dijo:


CR-adjacent. This explains Brian's ousting from CR entirely, and the complete lack of mention for years.
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Hilarious, I listened to season 2 in podcast form while traveling for work and out of audible credits and I remember them hyping up their relationship (didn’t they get married?) and him seeming like the sleaziest drug addict type grifter possible.

How long ago did they drop him?

I finished season 2 out of completionism but couldn’t even get through the character intros in season 3.
 
Random Internet Person dijo:
You know how Disney was doing twist villains for a while? Are we now on seeing a new trend in media that’s simply “the the heroes are assholes”?
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Probably. All the NPCs fawn over them and there are zero consequences for anything, even if by all logic they should be executed on the spot.

This campaign is like... imagine if during the height of the war on terror, Osama Bin Ladin's niece shows up at the Whitehouse and says "hey, can you give my Frankenstein friend millions of dollars worth of medical treatment?" (That friend is also possessed by Hitler, and helping her means there is a good chance you unleash Hitler 2.0, and everyone is aware of this)

And Bush actually did it.

And then she and her entourage get the keys to Air Force One, reams of sensitive military information, and they are sent to the middle east instead of the military.

This campaign is a fever dream.
 
Bluefeet dijo:
Probably. All the NPCs fawn over them and there are zero consequences for anything, even if by all logic they should be executed on the spot.

This campaign is like... imagine if during the height of the war on terror, Osama Bin Ladin's niece shows up at the Whitehouse and says "hey, can you give my Frankenstein friend millions of dollars worth of medical treatment?" (That friend is also possessed by Hitler, and helping her means there is a good chance you unleash Hitler 2.0, and everyone is aware of this)

And Bush actually did it.

And then she and her entourage get the keys to Air Force One, reams of sensitive military information, and they are sent to the middle east instead of the military.

This campaign is a fever dream.
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Sounds like we got a bunch of Mary Sues.
 
Random Internet Person dijo:
You know how Disney was doing twist villains for a while? Are we now on seeing a new trend in media that’s simply “the heroes are assholes”?
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Absolutely.
With media like Captain Marvel, Legend of Korra, Last of Us 2, Disney Star Wars etc the asshole antagonistic mary sue protagonist is 100% the new standard.

Bluefeet dijo:
You haven't missed much. I tune in from time to time out of morbid curiosity and since then they haven't helped a single person.

They have:
-Murdered a church full of people because they were making the local doomsday cult uncomfy. They were proud of themselves for this.

-Harrassed the child of a wealthy patron, smashed his windows, and set fire to his basement (note said patron helped ressurect one of them when he really shouldn't have)
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So they're pushing the whole "They're rich/religious therefore they're by default evil and worthless" mantra, got it.

-Had about a million conversations that boil down to "The gods never gave us anything (even though we've never prayed and are absurdly ignorant about the gods given the setting), therefore they suck, therefore it's fine if they all die."
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You know, despite the fact Gods in DnD have provably real power, are completely 100% proven to exist, and manifest their power regularly through people and acts.
 
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Wingnut dijo:
So they're pushing the whole "They're rich/religious therefore they're by default evil and worthless" mantra, got it.
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Spot on. It's also 'we've already agreed that those people are bad, so we don't need to show them doing anything bad'

To take the church massacre example, the cultists couldn't articulate a single well-founded accusation of wrongdoing against the church. At the time I thought the group had gone off the rails unintentionally- there's an art to letting your players know it's ok to kill people, and none of that was telegraphed. In hindsight it's just hollywood brainrot.
 
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