Creepy Unsolved Mysteries - From unsolved murders to unidentified people to unexplained supernatural events, what are some of the creepiest unsolved mysteries you've ever heard of?

Does Randy Kraft technically count as an organized serial killer? The man kept his own score card and listed his kills in a notebook.

DeAngelo left a lot of his nasty DNA at his crime scenes, Zodiac didn't. And law enforcement completely bungled the case. Here's a decent article on their repeated fuck ups. It's like they don't want it to be solved.

That does make sense. So it's along the lines of Jon Benet Ramsay I guess. I don't think her death will ever be solved.
 
Does Randy Kraft technically count as an organized serial killer? The man kept his own score card and listed his kills in a notebook.



That does make sense. So it's along the lines of Jon Benet Ramsay I guess. I don't think her death will ever be solved.
I personally think (as an armchair detective) that her father killed her, in which case, we might get a deathbed confession.

Otherwise, I agree that it probably won't be solved.
 
I don't think Dennis Rader rates anywhere in the vicinity of being a 'genius' serial killer given how he was caught.
On the topic of Rader, I remember hearing an intriguing theory once about how he actually wasn’t the original BTK killer and was merely a copycat responsible for some of the later BTK killings, although I forget the particulars. IIRC the theory mostly focused on some discrepancies between the early killings and the later ones as well as an alleged lack of evidence directly tying Rader to the first couple killings.
 
I personally think (as an armchair detective) that her father killed her, in which case, we might get a deathbed confession.

Otherwise, I agree that it probably won't be solved.

The whole Ramsay thing is honestly one of the most frustrating cases I ever read about. And the fact that it'll most likely never get any answers just makes it even more frustrating.

The whole thing was screwed up from day one.
 
The Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway, one of the most prolific serial killers in history, had an IQ in the low 80s, showing that success at such behavior is barely tied to IQ. The main reason he got away with it so much is he just stuck to low-value targets like prostitutes that nobody would miss and had a simple MO and stuck to it.
Pretty much how most serial killers who don't get caught avoid it. I don't think it's necessarily even a conscious effort to choose people who won't be missed, either, just that those people are the most easily "accessible". Street-walking prostitutes regularly get inside of strangers' cars alone, and while some of them will have a pimp following closely behind to make sure they don't disappear (especially if they're being trafficked), those who are working alone or left to fend for themselves don't really have many great options if a prospective John turns out to be a rapist or killer.

Especially in the '70s and '80s, when a lot of teenagers and young adults went to major cities because they actively wanted to disappear, it was easier for someone to go missing. It still happens today, with disturbing regularity, but in the period before cell phones and social media I'm sure there were plenty of people whose 'vanishing' was only known to their tent city neighbors, and people in that sort of environment regularly leave without notice. I'm sure we don't know anywhere near the full list of people who were abducted, trafficked, or killed, some of whom (especially those from abusive families) were probably never mourned and live on only as distant memories for people who have no idea that they even went missing.
 
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Figures. Yeah, something has to happen to you to turn someone against a thing like that. I do think the college experiment might have gave him lingering problems that turned him into a killer when he got older.

It also brings up a good theory over if someone can be made into a killer if they didn't have the typical problems that tend to lead to being a killer. Kind of like how a lot of killers had some kind of TBI or head injury, stuff like that.
There's a theory that Valerie Solanas, the proto-radical feminist who shot Andy Warhol and wrote The Scum Manifesto, may have had a similar experience during her college days. During the depths of the Cold War era, these behavior-modification experiments were being run at colleges and think-tanks across the USA in the name of Fighting Godless Communism, and as a bright psychology grad student, Solanas would have been a choice guinea pig. Her biographer never found any evidence of it, but considering that most records of these experiments were destroyed by the Glowies and their contracted psychologists, it's an intriguing possibility.
 
oh yeah I heard that backstory on NPR decades ago, shit is some Spider-Man villain tier shit
In this house Ted Kacyznski is a hero! End of story!
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Alright I figured I should contribute since this has been my favorite thread on the site to binge read before bed. I'll link the Reddit post and just copy paste it since they did a write up and I'm lazy.
The disappearance of 12 year old double amputee Julie Harris:

In March of 1996, 12 year old, double amputee Julie Harris disappeared while walking to a neighbor's home to get a ride to church. Despite a few sightings and two viable suspects what actually happened to Julie remains unclear. (resposted at the request of Julie's friend)

I orginally posted this piece at the Unresolved Mysteries subreddit over a year ago, but a friend of Julie's asked me to repost to some other subs to spread awareness of Julie's case.

**Background**

In 1996 12-year-old Julie Harris was in the 7th grade. She was a happy and athletic girl who participated in downhill skiing and swimming. She lived in the small town of Colville, Washington with her mother Sherri and her two brothers- 10 year old Clifford, and 7 year old George. The children had different fathers and none of the men were involved in the children's lives, at least as far as I can tell. Sherri was however in a long-term relationship with a man named Don Sax who had been her live-in boyfriend since 1994. Despite her young age Julie's life was far from carefree. Julie had a blood disorder which was diagnosed when she was less than 2 years old and as a result her feet and lower legs had to be amputated. From then on Julie wore prosthetic feet and sometimes used braces or a wheelchair to get around. Despite her physical limitations Julie remained an active child who was involved in Special Olympics Sports. She was pretty independent and friends and family remember that Julie was able to get around without her prosthetics if needed, sometimes removing them around new people just to get a laugh. The family hadn't always lived in Colville and in the past they had lived in Coos Bay, Oregon and Spokane, Washington, having family and friends and all three places.

**Disappearance**

In March of 1996 Julie seemed to be having a bit of a rough patch. Julie, who was usually happy, funny, and remembered as a prankster, had seemed more moody and withdrawn than normal, something her mother attributed to puberty and growing up. For the first time Julie was feeling self-conscious about her prosthetic feet especially as she and her friends entered their teen years and started to become more interested in boys and dating. Additionally Julie’s grades had begun to drop.

On the night of Saturday, March 2nd, 1996 Julie quarreled with Don Sax over her grades and school work. Julie was unable to participate in sports if she had Fs at school and was upset when Don and Sherri told her she may not be able to participate in an upcoming ski event. Julie, upset, went to her room and then went to bed. Julie’s brother Clifford was slated to participate in a ski event in the town of Wenatchee that weekend and Sherri went with him. It is unclear if Sherri and Clifford left the morning of the 3rd before they saw Julie, or if they left on the 2nd. Either way, a few early reports say that Julie was last seen on the evening of March 2nd. The next morning, a Sunday, Don Sax left the home to go fishing, he reported that Julie was in her bedroom. Where Don went to fish, who he was with, and how long he was gone for have never been publicly released. When Julie was not home when family members returned a few hours later, a missing person’s report was filed and Julie was listed as a runaway. Police speculated that Julie, upset with Don or her mother, decided to run away to either Coos Bay or Spokane where she had lived previously and had family. The report noted that Julie had set her alarm for early in the morning, gotten dressed, packed four slices of pizza, and left the home.

Sherri drove to Spokane and checked in with relatives there hoping to find Julie, but Julie wasn't there. At this point Julie’s family created missing person flyers and her grandparents offered a reward for information. Police received a few tips and sightings and a few articles ran in the newspaper asking for information.

Despite the initial reporting, most modern articles report a slightly different story. They claim that Julie was last seen on the 3rd of March, not only by Don Sax but also by neighbors who reported that Julie was walking to church. Julie would walk to the neighbors home down the street and the neighbors would drive her to the Kettle Falls Assembly of God congregation every week, but that week she never arrived. This narrative is supported by a runaway report as apparently Julie left the home wearing a black skirt and a pink and black sweater which seems like a church outfit. Neighbors saw her walking that day and one even reported to the police that they saw Julie speaking with a slim man that morning wearing a trenchcoat on Main Street. Another person called the police department to report seeing a girl matching Julie’s description in Bend, Oregon. In this sighting the girl was in a wheelchair which Julie used on occasion but this girl was never located. Sadly, within only a few days, Julie’s case faded from the spotlight.

One month after Julie’s disappearance on April 9th, 1996 a beachcomber called the police and after a search, police announced that Julie’s purse and prosthetic feet were found on the banks of the Colville River near where it flows into Lake Roosevelt, other items found in the search have never been made public. At this time Julie’s case was reclassified from runaway to endangered.

**Persons of Interest**

Within days police moved their focus inward to Sherri and Don Sax. Don was questioned numerous times by the police and Sherri told the newspaper that the police were trying to “frame” him. Eventually Don retained an attorney on the advice of Sherri. Meanwhile, police announced that Don had become “person of interest.” Sherri had a hard time accepting this and claimed that Julie and Don got along well. Recently she told a podcast that Julie had a better relationship with Don than her sons did and Julie affectionately called Don “zteddy Bear.” Despite this announcement the story yet again faded into obscurity.

If law enforcement wasn’t suspicious before, by May 1996 their interests peaked once again when CPS received a call that Don Sax had assaulted Clifford, Julie’s brother. After an interview with the boy it was determined that after arguing with Clifford over his homework, Don restrained Clifford by the neck and kneed him in the thigh resulting in a large bruise. Don claimed that Clifford had punched his mother in the chest and when Sherri called for Don, he grabbed Clifford but did not hurt him, Don attested that the bruise on Clifford’s thigh came from a bicycle accident. According to the couple, because Sherri had physical disabilities of her own and because Clifford was already larger than her, Clifford was able to overpower his mom. Don was charged and went to court for facing a 4th degree assault charge. He moved out of the home for a few months but is unclear if he faced any additional consequences. Both George and Clifford were removed from the home and placed in foster care, at least briefly. Sherri more or less backed up Don’s version of events and sticks to this story even today decades after her split from Don. Still Julie’s disappearance remained a mystery.

One year after her feet and purse were found, in April of 1997 Julie's remains were found by children in the vicinity of Haller Creek Road and Riedel Creek Road about six miles south of Colville. Her remains were spread over about an acre, presumably from animal activity. She had not been buried and no obvious trauma was found on her bones. Nevertheless her case was classified as a homicide. Police still maintained that Don was the best person of interest but nothing definitive ever tied him to Julie’s death or disappearance.

Sherri and Don stayed together for a while but split several years after. Sherri and Don are still in contact and occasionally speak on the phone although Sherri reports that she hasn't seen him in several years. Sherri still maintains that Don would not have hurt Julie and now believes that someone else was responsible for Julie's disappearance. While rumors still float around the internet regarding his involvement, Don Sax has flown under the radar since 1997.

In 2012 a new surge of publicity befell Julie's case when a serial killer named Israel Keyes was arrested. As some readers may know Israel Keyes grew up in the town of Colville and in 1996 he was 18 years old. After being caught for a murder in Anchorage, Alaska, Keyes was interviewed by law enforcement. Keyes reported to that while he remembered the case of Julie's disappearance from his teen years, he says that he didn't have anything to do with it. Strangely, he then goes on to say that he didn't kill any children after his first child was born. But in 1996 Keyes was not yet a father. When confronted with this discrepancy he says nothing.

Besides location, a few other details link Keyes to this crime. In one CBS special one of Julie's friends is interviewed and she tells the interviewer that she and Julie casually knew Keyes, sometimes chatting with him at the public pool. Julie's friend reported in this interview that she and Julie gave Keyes their phone numbers and addresses, something they both kept hidden from their parents. Additionally Keys matches the description of a young thin man wearing a trench coat seen talking to Julie that morning on main street. People who knew Israel Keys as a teenager reported that he was awkward, especially around girls, but Sherri fears that her daughter who was self-conscious about her prosthetic feet, may have relished any attention from an older boy especially as she entered her teen years. When shown a picture of a teenage Keyes, Sherri reported that he looked familiar and she thought that Julie and he had mutual friends, which wouldn’t be too far fetched in a town of less than 5,000 people.

Unfortunately Israel Keys never gave investigators any more information regarding Julie Harris and to this day it's unknown if he was involved, but many law enforcement agencies think it's possible that Julie Harris was an early victim of Keyes. As of 2020, Keyes remains a “person of interest” in Julie’s case. Even with two “persons of interest” Julie’s case remains cold and unsolved. If you have any information on the death of Julie Harris you can contact the Stevens County Sheriff's Office at 509-684-5296. What happened to double amputee Julie Harris?

**Sources**

[https://www.khq.com/coldcase/q6-col...le_a6b56632-d67a-11ea-9aaf-dfd79791a7c7.html)

[https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1...ng-colville-girl-may-have-been-slain-police/)

[https://www.newspapers.com/image/574773080/?terms=Julie Harris missing&match=1](https://www.newspapers.com/image/574773080/?terms=Julie Harris missing&match=1)

[https://www.newspapers.com/image/574933369/?terms=Julie Harris missing&match=1](https://www.newspapers.com/image/574933369/?terms=Julie Harris missing&match=1)

[https://www.newspapers.com/image/805238021/?terms=Julie Harris missing&match=1](https://www.newspapers.com/image/805238021/?terms=Julie Harris missing&match=1)

[https://www.newspapers.com/image/873760683/?terms=Julie Harris missing&match=1](https://www.newspapers.com/image/873760683/?terms=Julie Harris missing&match=1)

[https://www.newspapers.com/image/574933580/?terms=don sax&match=1](https://www.newspapers.com/image/574933580/?terms=don sax&match=1)

[https://archive.seattletimes.com/ar...imes.com/archive/?date=19970429&slug=2536309)

[https://www.khq.com/coldcase/q6-col...le_a6b56632-d67a-11ea-9aaf-dfd79791a7c7.html)

[https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1...9/missing-girls-remains-found-near-colville/)

TLDR: Israel Keys may have been involved with her murder. He was asked about it, reported to have been friends with her but the lead wasn't resolved due to his death. This case is still unsolved sadly.
The Reddit post contains links if you want to do further reading.
 
Unfortunately Israel Keys never gave investigators any more information regarding Julie Harris and to this day it's unknown if he was involved, but many law enforcement agencies think it's possible that Julie Harris was an early victim of Keyes. As of 2020, Keyes remains a “person of interest” in Julie’s case. Even with two “persons of interest” Julie’s case remains cold and unsolved. If you have any information on the death of Julie Harris you can contact the Stevens County Sheriff's Office at 509-684-5296. What happened to double amputee Julie Harris?

I could believe Keyes was involved. Later on, he was weirdly insistent that he never harmed any children. He was already plenty violent and unhinged as a teenager, and I can see someone like him picking off a young girl just because. I don't think he killed as many people as his bloody suicide message indicated, but I do think he had more victims than we actually know about. I would guess that most of those victims were prostitutes or other people who were less likely to be reported missing. Someone mentioned his so-called kill kits within the past few pages, and I do think at least one of those actually was found where he said it would be. As with the kill count, though, I suspect that he exaggerated the number of kill kits. American Predator is a very good book about Keyes, his capture, and the interrogations (and how badly they were botched), if anyone is interested.

I also read The Man on the Train, while we're on the subject of serial killer books. The book does a good job of unearthing a lot of murders from the time period, and the information about the investigations (using that word very loosely) that took place at the time and subsequent trials was all very interesting. I can believe that a number of the murders they discuss were committed by an unknown man from a train. There's a decent amount of information about the Villisca axe murders, too. The connection to Germany is basically all in the author's head, though-- so tenuous it might as well not exist. I didn't find the claim about the killer's identity compelling at all. If you're interested in historic murders, police investigations, and trials, though, it's interesting in those respects, and it's also pretty readable. The Bill James who wrote it is the same Bill James who's a sportswriter-- the baseball guy. I'm trying to avoid a joke about things being as American as baseball, apple pie, and serial killers, but it's hard to resist.

Other killers that have come up in the past few pages: I've never thought of Radar as a particularly smart guy. Herb Baumeister got away with a lot because his wife is-- I don't even know what to call her. Willfully blind? Willfully ignorant? She was completely in denial that her husband was gay, so who knows what else she ignored. Her interactions with police were pretty interesting. The cops said they believed that Radar's wife was truly in the dark about what her husband got up to, even though she'd found him in women's clothes and bondage gear before. One of the cops didn't exactly say that she was too dumb to notice what was right in front of her, but he came pretty close. What I'm trying to say is that a serial killer doesn't have to be too smart if the people around him are not very bright or not very attuned to what's going on around them. You do have to wonder if they unconsciously (or consciously?) choose a mate who will serve their purposes by allowing them to cultivate a pubic façade and by turning a blind eye to everything that's happening behind closed doors.
 
Chikatilo was born in 1936. The Holodomor/big Stalinist famines are generally regarded as ending in 1933. He may have heard of things that happened but his specific story is probably bullshit.
Went back and looked up Chikatilo. Apparently, his claim was of an older brother that got eaten for Glorious Communism. There's never been any records found indicating an elder Chikatilo kid. However, he did have a younger sister born during the Nazi occupation while his dad was off fighting and it's likely she was a German rape baby.
 
Oh fuck was Israel the one who kidnapped that cashier in Alaska and it was on video? Scary shit.

The Julie case reminds me of the Marlena Childress case. It was cut from the remastered version of Unsolved Mysteries but there is an original taping avaliable.

 
Zodiac, maybe, although I've always wondered if it was dumb luck and some of his puzzles were horseshit.
That would be kinda funny, i always found the cypher stuff to be extremely intellectually masturbatory. Still, dude also got away with his deeds. I also find that Zodiac sketch with hood to be one of the most unsettling things ever.
I don't view Uncle Ted as a serial killer either.
Same. Clear-cut domestic terrorist, like the Weathermen or Timmy McVeigh.

Sorta thread tax: I only watch one true crime channel these days, Unpredictable on YT (and i only watch it because i find her voice very pleasant, literal balm to the ears), who brings out a video once in a blue moon. Newest video is about Hae Min Lee and i am still surprised to see so many people believing it wasn't her ex-boyfriend that killed her. Dude is Pakistani and to my eyes that was nothing but a honor killing, a well-known staple of their culture. Evidence also more than strongly points toward him being the murderer, though there are some discrepancies. His conviction eventually getting overturned was purely political, just some regional politician wanting to look progressive in getting him out, securing the minority vote.
either wanting to get caught or just not capable of keeping things together.
I think it's never that first one, having known criminals (not murderers or anything but career criminals, mostly thieves and people involved in the drug trade) nobody ever wants to get caught, most are thinking they will never be. That rings probably even more true in the US than in my country, prison is a lot more harsh in the US than here. It always sounded to me like some journalistic confabulation that someone once came up with and people having run with it ever since.
In the case of serial murderers, getting sloppy/out of it is the much more logical conclusion. Look at all the old mob people (astonishing number of serial killers among them), at a certain number of bodies to their name they just stopped giving a shit and pretty much killed indiscriminately, not putting much effort into letting bodies disappear and the like anymore. Henry Hill's book "Wiseguys" paints a good picture of that.
 
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On the topic of Rader, I remember hearing an intriguing theory once about how he actually wasn’t the original BTK killer and was merely a copycat responsible for some of the later BTK killings, although I forget the particulars. IIRC the theory mostly focused on some discrepancies between the early killings and the later ones as well as an alleged lack of evidence directly tying Rader to the first couple killings.

It's been a while since I explored Rader's case, but I'm pretty sure that a combination of Rader still keeping mementos, DNA evidence, sharing details of the early murders to the media, and his being in the right places at the times of certain murders more or less made him effectively confirmed to be BTK.

That would be kinda funny, i always found the cypher stuff to be extremely intellectually masturbatory. Still, dude also got away with his deeds. I also find that Zodiac sketch with hood to be one of the most unsettling things ever.

The reason I wonder about this is because I believe that there were a couple of pretty bad spelling errors in one of his solved ciphers, which indicates a lower level of education/intelligence and/or potentially someone who isn't the cryptographic genius many think he is/was.

If he was fully trained or had a background in that stuff he would likely be very meticulous and careful when planning his ciphers. If he was an amateur or a hobbyist who had picked it up, it makes a little more sense to me.
 
Pardon my replies as I’m unable to replay directly to posts this morning.

Re: Adam Walsh. Yes, there is a theory the killer actually being Jeffrey Dahmer of all
Infamous fuckfaces. There is a lot out there about the theory if you google it. He was allegedly in that part of Florida when it happened. I personally doubt it. There are plenty of unknown monsters out there that could have done it instead of Otis Toole.

Re: John Ramsay. There will be no death bed confession from HIM ever, if he or his family was involved. He has spent his entire life declaring they aren’t guilty and insisting it was an intruder. He’s not going to flip the script on his way out. He has living children and a huge ego, there’s no benefit to him to confess of he’s guilty of anything.
 
I am 100% certain her brother accidentally killed her and her parents covered it up to protect him. They would rather have been looked at with suspicion than have their underage son take the fall.

That reminds me of the theory that OJ Simpson's son killed Nicole and that OJ covered it up by taking the heat for it.

If there weren't recordings where you could hear OJ screaming at her in the 911 calls, I would probably almost believe it.
 
The reason I wonder about this is because I believe that there were a couple of pretty bad spelling errors in one of his solved ciphers, which indicates a lower level of education/intelligence and/or potentially someone who isn't the cryptographic genius many think he is/was.

Don't ciphers often contain deliberate misspellings to up the difficulty?

That reminds me of the theory that OJ Simpson's son killed Nicole and that OJ covered it up by taking the heat for it.

If there weren't recordings where you could hear OJ screaming at her in the 911 calls, I would probably almost believe it.

This is the only alternate OJ theory that's even remotely plausible.
 
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