Cowboy Bebop Thread - Live-Action Adaptation cancelled after one season (it was shit)

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Good grief, I would have thought Cowboy Bebop would be one of the few things in pop culture that pretty much anyone who's seen it would agree is pretty dang good.

How can you not be blown away by episodes like Ballad of Fallen Angels?

Sad!
 
Dom Cruise dijo:
Good grief, I would have thought Cowboy Bebop would be one of the few things in pop culture that pretty much anyone who's seen it would agree is pretty dang good.

How can you not be blown away by episodes like Ballad of Fallen Angels?

Sad!
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Why does this world operate on LOVE IT or HATE IT logic?

It's a fine series. 7/10 is a solid recommendation, but it's not mind-blowing. Not everyone is wowed by the same things, man.
 
Travoltron dijo:
John Cho's face looks like something a racist Golden Age comic book artist would draw come to life.

I agree that Cowboy Bebop is overrated. This is because for some reason (American) normies latched onto it and declared it "greatest ever". But it's basically just a ripoff of Lupin III and Space Adventure Cobra, two anime that are vastly superior. It's criminal that hardly anyone knows about Cobra, as Buchi Terasawa is a genius.

These are the same people that thought Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was so groundbreaking, when actuality those kind of wuxia wire-fu flicks had been a thing since at least the mid 80s.
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In some way, there has been the notion of "it's been done before" as we see in anime time and time again. Mentioning Lupin III is certainly an example since the US never really got exposed to that series fully before Cowboy Bebop happened.
 
Trilby dijo:
In some way, there has been the notion of "it's been done before" as we see in anime time and time again. Mentioning Lupin III is certainly an example since the US never really got exposed to that series fully before Cowboy Bebop happened.
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So that could be a good explanation why it is the show was seen as mediocre over in Japan, though I don't think it helped that it got caught up in the webbing of censorship and had to eventually switch to a satellite channel in order to fully air. It's also quite possible the show was too Western as a celebration of film and the regular audience didn't catch on to it. Guess it's hard to say without having been there with the otakus as it aired.
 
jellycar dijo:
Hope Chapman is dat chu
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Say what you will about her but her Anime News Network article on the "meaning" of Bebop was actually pretty dang good.

Kari Kamiya dijo:
So that could be a good explanation why it is the show was seen as mediocre over in Japan, though I don't think it helped that it got caught up in the webbing of censorship and had to eventually switch to a satellite channel in order to fully air. It's also quite possible the show was too Western as a celebration of film and the regular audience didn't catch on to it. Guess it's hard to say without having been there with the otakus as it aired.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the show probably isn't seen as mediocre in Japan, but channel switching fuckery probably hurt it's chances at reaching an audience.

That happens to a lot of great anime sadly, including my all time fav was a victim of channel switching probably preventing it from finding the audience it should have.

Of course it probably didn't help that it is very western styled and this probably didn't appeal to Japanese audiences as much as it did to western ones, but I'd be willing to bet those in Japan that actually did watch the whole thing probably think it's pretty good.

After all, it couldn't have been that big of a bomb if they made the movie before it had even aired on US television, right?

I always found that weird by the way, since the movie came out in the US in 2003 I always assumed it was made in response to the popularity of the TV series in the US, only to later learn it came in 2001 before it had even aired on Adult Swim.

StarkRavingMad dijo:
Regardless of how anyone feels about the anime ...

We can all agree that the Netflix show is going to be an absolute trashfire, right?
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Probably.

And it's too bad too because Bebop has potential, there's definitely nothing wrong with the idea of a live action adaption of Bebop in principle, it could be good.
 
Dom Cruise dijo:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the show probably isn't seen as mediocre in Japan, but channel switching fuckery probably hurt it's chances at reaching an audience.

That happens to a lot of great anime sadly, including my all time fav was a victim of channel switching probably preventing it from finding the audience it should have.
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Yeah, most likely. It did better than Vision of Escaflowne did, anyway, still am not sure why that bombed in Japan.
 
Kari Kamiya dijo:
Yeah, most likely. It did better than Vision of Escaflowne did, anyway, still am not sure why that bombed in Japan.
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İt happens quite often with certain manga and anime titles being more popular aboard than at home. Cowboy Behop is just the most famous example of it in North America.
 
Kari Kamiya dijo:
So that could be a good explanation why it is the show was seen as mediocre over in Japan, though I don't think it helped that it got caught up in the webbing of censorship and had to eventually switch to a satellite channel in order to fully air. It's also quite possible the show was too Western as a celebration of film and the regular audience didn't catch on to it. Guess it's hard to say without having been there with the otakus as it aired.
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That is very true. It wouldn't surprise me if Japanese viewers thought it was nothing special at all. Stuff like that is nothing new with anime often being popular in the west while not quite making it at home. The 1990's "Giant Robo" OVA series is one example where it wasn't widely acclaimed in Japan yet America ate it up.
 
Dom Cruise dijo:
It's weird how that works.

Alternatively are there any animes that were big hits in Japan but are obscure outside of Japan?
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There's really too many to name. The aforementioned Space Adventure Cobra. Right Stuf tried releasing the TV series here several years ago and it didn't sell well. Those DVD sets are insanely expensive now.

Americans act like Hayao Miyazaki invented anime, but they barely know who Osamu Tezuka is. Two of the other big names in manga/anime were Go Nagai and Shotaro Ishinomori. Go Nagai is finally getting some recognition due to recent Devilman and Cutie Honey anime. Ishinomori was insanely prolific, but maybe a handful of people know Cyborg 009 and that's about it. But he created GoRanger, and without that show there would have been no Power Rangers.

The top two highest rated anime shows for decades in Japan are Sazae-san and Chibi Maruko-chan, which are almost entirely unknown in the West. There's basically zero chance of these ever coming out here. Doraemon and Crayon Shin-chan are the other two big ones there. They've made attempts bringing these to the West, but as far as I know they weren't successful.
 
Travoltron dijo:
Doraemon and Crayon Shin-chan are the other two big ones there. They've made attempts bringing these to the West, but as far as I know they weren't successful.
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Crayon Shin-chan has the problem in that it's definitely aimed at little kids, but the main character gets naked a lot. We're talking "makes child!Goku seem reserved with high standards of public decency" a lot. Non-detailed five-year-old peen and butt dances aren't just acceptable but hilarious to the youth of Japan, but that shit would never fly in the US if you actually aired it as-is for little kids. Hence why they made a translation very loosely based on the original dialog and aired it on Adult Swim.
 
StarkRavingMad dijo:
Regardless of how anyone feels about the anime ...

We can all agree that the Netflix show is going to be an absolute trashfire, right?
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Yeah, no one is debating that. The obnoxious casting, and I'm just wondering are they actually going to try and remake the storyline too? THE anime praised for its lavish style in presenting that story, they're really going to try and match it, or even top it?

It's like trying to lose money. It just blows my mind.It's on par with the TLA remake; you'll never top the original and you're just going to invite comparisons by doing it.
 
From what I have seen over the decades most people couldn't GAF about the "original" version, especially if the original is foreign, book or a cartoon. That's before throwing in those who do know of the original but dislike them for being old, campy, lighthearted or other adjectives like the NuBSG fandom to outright FU hostility like NuShe-Ra fandom.
 
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