Cowboy Bebop Thread - Live-Action Adaptation cancelled after one season (it was shit)

[Bastard_Call]

I tried to watch it and it was pretty bad. I read a looooooooong time ago that Spike was a Jew (the creator thought that the last name Spiegel sounded cool), I dunno if yellowface is a thing but it should be. The guy playing Jet is pretty decent but I think that was because he was originally voiced in America by a black guy. All the pausing to eat noodles with chop sticks is just boring.

I think most people, myself included, thought Spike was at least asian if not entirely Japanese. He's basically the stereotype of the stoic Japanese coolguy. In either case, he's more racially ambiguous than Jet (who is clearly white), Ed (who is clearly Phillipino or something) and Faye who is literally canonically Chinese.

I just don't understand the need to play musical chairs with the races when the original crew of the Bebop was already so diverse. It's certainly not like they cast the best people for the job.

 

[Kane Lives]

I think most people, myself included, thought Spike was at least asian if not entirely Japanese. He's basically the stereotype of the stoic Japanese coolguy. In either case, he's more racially ambiguous than Jet (who is clearly white), Ed (who is clearly Phillipino or something) and Faye who is literally canonically Chinese.

I just don't understand the need to play musical chairs with the races when the original crew of the Bebop was already so diverse. It's certainly not like they cast the best people for the job.

Because leftards are both wilfully ignorant and appalling self-righteous at the same time. Their "diversity" is only viewed from their Ameri-centric lenses, because that's all they know. And they expect you to pay them for this nigger treatment.

 

[Blarmed&Dangerous]

I think most people, myself included, thought Spike was at least asian if not entirely Japanese. He's basically the stereotype of the stoic Japanese coolguy. In either case, he's more racially ambiguous than Jet (who is clearly white), Ed (who is clearly Phillipino or something) and Faye who is literally canonically Chinese.

I just don't understand the need to play musical chairs with the races when the original crew of the Bebop was already so diverse. It's certainly not like they cast the best people for the job.

I got the impression that Spike was a German jew, and Faye claimed to be Romanian iirc.

I actually really like the guy doing Jet. In scenes without the contrived daughter stuff (which I think is a function of the writers going "How do we convey that Jet is rigid in his principles without that tricky subtlety stuff?"), he seems to really get the character and have the rhythm down. Jet is affable and friendly but physically tense.

The guy doing Spike just can't do it. He doesn't have the range even if the character was written right. Spike is supposed to be fluid, flippant, airy in public, but stoic and meticulous in private, avoiding dealing with the real world and here and now so he's not consumed by his anger and grief.

While Jet is doing his best, and Spike just can't do it, the chick doing Faye seems to actually hate her character and would rather be doing Marvel capeshit and being a quippy insufferable unpleasant cunt the entire time.

Ironically, with the changes to Faye, Julia, Gren, Ed, there are no well written likeable female or LGBT characters. Congratulations- you "fixed" the representation and made me hate the "represented" characters

 

[Dom Cruise]

Imagine if Netflix made a Hellsing adaption.

Imagine Eden Perkins as Schrodinger.

Just imagine it.

 

[CWCissey]

Faye claimed to be Romanian iirc.

She claimed to be a gypsy, but that was likely a blag. Flashbacks show her as growing up in Singapore.

 

[Dr. Pasquale]

Imagine if Netflix made a Hellsing adaption.

Imagine Eden Perkins as Schrodinger.

Just imagine it.

At least that character is actually white and we'd get to see her get shot in the head 10 times

 

[Anya15]

Wasn't there a leak or anouncement or some shit a while back that they were completely altering the story to be about aang being like a bald kid in highschool that gets super bender powers or some shit?

I believe the leak is them making it more like riverdale of all things and that is why bryke jumped ship.

 

[Kurtis Trent]

Imagine if Netflix made a Hellsing adaption.

Imagine Eden Perkins as Schrodinger.

Just imagine it.

trans Integra and black dyke Ceras, let's fuckng goooo

 

[TVB]

Imagine if Netflix made a Hellsing adaption.

Imagine Eden Perkins as Schrodinger.

Just imagine it.

I won't be surprised if there's gonna be a Netflix live-action adaptation of Kill la Kill, where Ryuko will be played by Alicia Vikander, Satsuki will be played by Amy Schumer, and Mako will be a black non-binary transgender and won't contain any comedy from the original anime, but moreso being boring and lifeless.

 

[Anya15]

Antagonists being rewritten in worst ways with connections to the Syndicate (Pierrot being hired by Vicious to kill Spike, being able to speak fluently and knows how to hack machines while he only acts crazy in battle)

This ultimately points to a bigger problem with the live act thow and that is everything must be connected. And I straight up don’t understand why Netflix went with this? Especially, when they have a point of reference of cowboy bebop’s stand-alone nature working outside of the source and it’s one of the biggest tv shows to be introduced in the last 3 years: the mandalorian. Mando is very much influenced by bebop, if not the same sources that influence itself. But, it’s proof that this style of storytelling can win over an audience. So, why didn’t Netflix take the fucking hint?

 

[Happy Fish]

I think most people, myself included, thought Spike was at least asian if not entirely Japanese. He's basically the stereotype of the stoic Japanese coolguy. In either case, he's more racially ambiguous than Jet (who is clearly white), Ed (who is clearly Phillipino or something) and Faye who is literally canonically Chinese.

I just don't understand the need to play musical chairs with the races when the original crew of the Bebop was already so diverse. It's certainly not like they cast the best people for the job.

My impression of Spike was he was a martian space chink and was part of a space chink cartel. Yeah he and others in it were orphans but some of his design cues are consistent with other Chinese characters in anime and he quoted Bruce Lee and things like that

From the 10 seconds I saw here on the front page I'm surprised at their choice for Ed because that could have been Ez diversity points, but her actress seems to be straining herself to be that obnoxious and the writing/direction for her just isn't good... And this is from a short clip that was cringeworthy enough to be on the farms front page. I don't think I will watch it unless I find it makes its way to movie night here.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

This ultimately points to a bigger problem with the live act thow and that is everything must be connected. And I straight up don’t understand why Netflix went with this? Especially, when they have a point of reference of cowboy bebop’s stand-alone nature working outside of the source and it’s one of the biggest tv shows to be introduced in the last 3 years: the mandalorian. Mando is very much influenced by bebop, if not the same sources that influence itself. But, it’s proof that this style of storytelling can win over an audience. So, why didn’t Netflix take the fucking hint?

Honestly it’s because Christopher Yost and André Nemec (the two idiots responsible for this show since saying Netflix did this feels like absolving those two of any responsibility as Netflix has no involvement beyond distribution) both don’t understand the source material at all, especially Nemec who openly missed the point of Bebop’s dystopian setting. The writing of MCU humor also makes more sense since Yost has only ever previously written for capeshit (notably the last two Thor movies, a lot of superhero cartoons, and Star Wars Rebels) so it’s clear he thought Bebop would be the same.

So basically the issues that don’t involve acting have to do with a brainlet who doesn’t understand the original show who has the responsibility of showrunner, and a capeshit writer who didn’t understand Bebop’s very grounded tone.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

How do you guys think they'll ruin Vincent and Elektra and the movie's bioterrorism plot?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Imagine if Netflix made a Hellsing adaption.

Imagine Eden Perkins as Schrodinger.

Just imagine it.

Least Eden won't have to wear a bad wig.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

How do you guys think they'll ruin Vincent and Elektra and the movie's bioterrorism plot?

They’ll try to make Vincent tragic and give him daddy issues or have him look like he’s in the right because “muh corporations” (written exactly the same way similar to the opening scene’s monologue by some minor villain about corporations). Also Vincent actually works for Vicious too and he’s part of the syndicate. Elektra is just a strong girl who doesn’t need Spike’s help and can be a badass on her own.

 

[Dr. Pasquale]

How do you guys think they'll ruin Vincent and Elektra and the movie's bioterrorism plot?

Im surprised theyre even aiming to adapt Vincent considering how rapey he acts towards Faye. I'm with Doctor of Autism on this one, they'll expand his backstory to be more than just a soldier who was used in an experiment, they'll make Big Pharma the real bad guy and they'll have Elektra kick Spike's ass and save him more times than just the final battle.

Lots of pointless Vicious/Julia scenes will be added and the ugly molesting tranny will become a main character of the arc.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Well more update on the rotten tomatoes score (Critics is still below 50 while audience is fluctuating between 50-54)

Here is the consensus

 

[Creep3r]

I honestly can't stomach through this crap. Does the mutant ganymede rock lobster fungus appear? Did they somehow even find a way to ruin it of all things?

I think most people, myself included, thought Spike was at least asian if not entirely Japanese. He's basically the stereotype of the stoic Japanese coolguy. In either case, he's more racially ambiguous than Jet (who is clearly white), Ed (who is clearly Phillipino or something) and Faye who is literally canonically Chinese.

I just don't understand the need to play musical chairs with the races when the original crew of the Bebop was already so diverse. It's certainly not like they cast the best people for the job.

I always saw Spike as being of half japanese and half american or german descent based on his surname. Jet I could probably believe as either being of american, scottish or some north african descent (or maybe even all three), but I look at him and I get strong scottish vibes. And yeah Faye goes without saying. Ed is a hard one to figure out, but she and her dad do seem like they have phillipino and french ancestry in them, along with maybe some hindu ancestry too since I think the Delhi part of her surname is based on something from India, and probably irish or some european ancestry too since Ed has such bouncy red hair (although this could just be anime hair color logic).

And yeah, I personally dislike it when they don't cast characters with actors that actually look like them, and it makes even less sense to do it when the characters are already diverse and easy to tell apart. Its like if you cast Cloud, Barret and Red XIII from FF7 in a live action movie with a brazilian midget, a scrawny british dude and a trained corgi respectively. People like to see the characters leap to life out of the media they came from, and when they don't look or even act like the characters in question it just takes away from the believability. I will say though that the guy who plays Jet in Netflix at least sounds like Jet and has the same build as Jet and actually looks like him despite the darker skin and is actually the only good actor in this shit show, so that's actually a rare example of race bending working out, although a little bit of gray powder puffing and shaving that mustache would make him the spitting image of Jet imo.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I honestly can't stomach through this crap. Does the mutant ganymede rock lobster fungus appear? Did they somehow even find a way to ruin it of all things?
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I always saw Spike as being of half japanese and half american or german descent based on his surname. Jet I could probably believe as either being of american, scottish or some north african descent (or maybe even all three), but I look at him and I get strong scottish vibes. And yeah Faye goes without saying. Ed is a hard one to figure out, but she and her dad do seem like they have phillipino and french ancestry in them, along with maybe some hindu ancestry too since I think the Delhi part of her surname is based on something from India, and probably irish or some european ancestry too since Ed has such bouncy red hair (although this could just be anime hair color logic).

And yeah, I personally dislike it when they don't cast characters with actors that actually look like them, and it makes even less sense to do it when the characters are already diverse and easy to tell apart. Its like if you cast Cloud, Barret and Red XIII from FF7 in a live action movie with a brazilian midget, a scrawny british dude and a trained corgi respectively. People like to see the characters leap to life out of the media they came from, and when they don't look or even act like the characters in question it just takes away from the believability. I will say though that the guy who plays Jet in Netflix at least sounds like Jet and has the same build as Jet and actually looks like him despite the darker skin and is actually the only good actor in this shit show, so that's actually a rare example of race bending working out, although a little bit of gray powder puffing and shaving that mustache would make him the spitting image of Jet imo.

It helps that Jet in the original dub was voiced by a black man, but he is really written horribly in the show as a dumb deadbeat father.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

Does the mutant ganymede rock lobster fungus appear?

No, it doesn't.

And yeah, I personally dislike it when they don't cast characters with actors that actually look like them

That's why Jet's casting manages to work for me too, it didn't take a lot to style him properly and he pulled off the acting. Real shame his version of Jet got saddled with an OC family backstory aside. Somebody tell the writers that men can be fatherly without being literal fathers? John Cho on the other hand, I tried to overlook it but all I could notice was his wrinkles and droopy eyes in every shot. And Faye's actress should've put those implants on her chest, not her cheeks, she looks even puffier in all the interviews after filming.

Im surprised theyre even aiming to adapt Vincent considering how rapey he acts towards Faye.

Ngl I always chalked that up as really weird rapey 'fanservice' for the audience at the cost of his character because it's one of many things that make him feel inconsistent. He's an insane omnicidal maniac who's still focused enough for premeditated terrorism, yet doesn't seem all that bothered about being stopped by Spike, he flashes an axe-crazy smile when he blows up the train but also a few smug smiles as if he's in control of himself. And presumeably he used to be a decent enough guy to be in a relationship with Elektra so is he unhinged enough to be rapey or not? Insanity doesn't make much sense but he's a fictional character so I kind of wanted his personality to be tighter than that. I can see why people don't like him as a villain or the movie in general all that much.