Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

[Yeshuash]

I know there's a whole Discourse about whether or not something's indie when it's successful, but at some point you have to wonder where the actual line is. If a company makes millions of dollars, are they still "indie" just because they aren't Disney? How is Glitch still "indie"? What separates them from a bigger publisher like Amazon?

Indie stopped being about "independent" and basically became an esthetic. Kind of like emo/goth was a counter culture thing only to go mainstream with stuff like Hot Topic.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Lmao, indie slop became "mainstream".

 

[WiggerNationalist]

Lmao, indie slop became "mainstream".

At what point does something cease to be indie? I feel like having worldwide theatrical releases, government funding, and/or deals with billion-dollar companies goes way past the line. Glitch or Spindlehorse or anything like that "indie" just because it started out as a small independent studio is like calling a 58 year old man a child just because he was once 12.

 

[chalkyresidue]

At what point does something cease to be indie? I feel like having worldwide theatrical releases, government funding, and/or deals with billion-dollar companies goes way past the line. Glitch or Spindlehorse or anything like that "indie" just because it started out as a small independent studio is like calling a 58 year old man a child just because he was once 12.

It’s a valid point, but I mean, that’s modern English for you. “Modernism” refers to art from a century ago, “alternative” music was the predominant corporate rock of the 90s, “indie” record labels are just subdivisions of the majors, etc.

Animation is just looking at the latest victim of this linguistic hatchet job.

 

[Yeshuash]

At what point does something cease to be indie? I feel like having worldwide theatrical releases, government funding, and/or deals with billion-dollar companies goes way past the line. Glitch or Spindlehorse or anything like that "indie" just because it started out as a small independent studio is like calling a 58 year old man a child just because he was once 12.

I think do to mega corporations like Disney basically eating all the competition, the idea of a smaller player actually making it feels of to some people. Like there is nothing in the middle aparently.

You are ether indie or a mega corp.

 

[Senior Frogmin]

There was a new indie project being made by some folks and they did the unspeakable sin of.. Joking about Gameoverse. Naturally, all the right people were upset at that, and they went straight to hating.
https://x.com/i/status/2065981992668205188 (Archive)

0:47

Unfortunately, any hope I had for this show went down the drain after it was discovered that the producer made merch for Spic Fuentes.

They had me in the first half I won't lie. To make matters even worse. They had the nerve to make ANOTHER video where they start by saying they had no idea who he is
https://x.com/ToonHive/status/2066271882064634275 (Archive)

0:37

That is the gay drama for today. Quite a fun one if I'm being honest.

 

[Sergeant Major Buzzkill]

There was a new indie project being made by some folks and they did the unspeakable sin of.. Joking about Gameoverse. Naturally, all the right people were upset at that, and they went straight to hating.
https://x.com/i/status/2065981992668205188 (Archive)
vid 1.mp4
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Unfortunately, any hope I had for this show went down the drain after it was discovered that the producer made merch for Spic Fuentes.
Ver archivo adjunto 9146218
They had me in the first half I won't lie. To make matters even worse. They had the nerve to make ANOTHER video where they start by saying they had no idea who he is
https://x.com/ToonHive/status/2066271882064634275 (Archive)
vid 2.mp4
That is the gay drama for today. Quite a fun one if I'm being honest.

J think this is a ploy to manipulate reactions. Because boy ChatGPT lookin ass art style alert! Thus was made by a Jew to play us all like a fiddle!

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

There was a new indie project being made by some folks and they did the unspeakable sin of.. Joking about Gameoverse. Naturally, all the right people were upset at that, and they went straight to hating.
https://x.com/i/status/2065981992668205188 (Archive)
vid 1.mp4
Ver archivo adjunto 9146204Ver archivo adjunto 9146206Ver archivo adjunto 9146210
Unfortunately, any hope I had for this show went down the drain after it was discovered that the producer made merch for Spic Fuentes.
Ver archivo adjunto 9146218
They had me in the first half I won't lie. To make matters even worse. They had the nerve to make ANOTHER video where they start by saying they had no idea who he is
https://x.com/ToonHive/status/2066271882064634275 (Archive)
vid 2.mp4
That is the gay drama for today. Quite a fun one if I'm being honest.

LoL before finding out this guy is a groyper (or was?) this thing to me feels more like poking fun at the state of "Indie" "Animation". So it's honestly fine?
Yet meh, being a groyper should be a death sentence. It comes with being a lolicon, grooming, and being a fuckwit.

 

[KissMyTaint]

There was a new indie project being made by some folks and they did the unspeakable sin of.. Joking about Gameoverse. Naturally, all the right people were upset at that, and they went straight to hating.
https://x.com/i/status/2065981992668205188 (Archive)
vid 1.mp4
Ver archivo adjunto 9146204Ver archivo adjunto 9146206Ver archivo adjunto 9146210
Unfortunately, any hope I had for this show went down the drain after it was discovered that the producer made merch for Spic Fuentes.
Ver archivo adjunto 9146218
They had me in the first half I won't lie. To make matters even worse. They had the nerve to make ANOTHER video where they start by saying they had no idea who he is
https://x.com/ToonHive/status/2066271882064634275 (Archive)
vid 2.mp4
That is the gay drama for today. Quite a fun one if I'm being honest.

Y'know, I would've respected them if their pilot wasn't the most boring basic bitch shit they could will into existence. Yet another pilot about trying to pay rent. What is even happening now?

 

[harmy.kook]

Yet meh, being a groyper should be a death sentence. It comes with being a lolicon, grooming, and being a fuckwit.

Worst of all: Brown

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Can someone here more knowledgeable than I help me w/something that’s been bothering me? Where on earth did Tim Heidecker come from, and how did he nab the keys to the kingdom of Adult Swim? It’s improbable to consider that Tim & Eric got their foot in the door with a non cartoon on a cartoon channel in the first place. Tim Goes to the Mayor didn’t seem like any kind of success to compare with ATHS and its peers. At the time I figured I was missing something because, life circumstances, I wasn’t watching a lot of tv at the time and wasn’t paying close attention. But in retrospect, I never meet people with fond memories of Tim &Eric or Tim Goes to the Mayor.

How did that guy get into a position to ruin adult swim so thoroughly and thusly? What’s the hot goss, @LiquidKid?

made cheap tv shows that did well. simple as being at the right place at the right time. a year or two off and he'd have tom goes to the mayor and thats all.

this is funnier than anything sam hyde did post world peace.

 

[chalkyresidue]

There was a new indie project being made by some folks and they did the unspeakable sin of.. Joking about Gameoverse. Naturally, all the right people were upset at that, and they went straight to hating.
https://x.com/i/status/2065981992668205188 (Archive)
vid 1.mp4
Ver archivo adjunto 9146204Ver archivo adjunto 9146206Ver archivo adjunto 9146210
Unfortunately, any hope I had for this show went down the drain after it was discovered that the producer made merch for Spic Fuentes.
Ver archivo adjunto 9146218
They had me in the first half I won't lie. To make matters even worse. They had the nerve to make ANOTHER video where they start by saying they had no idea who he is
https://x.com/ToonHive/status/2066271882064634275 (Archive)
vid 2.mp4
That is the gay drama for today. Quite a fun one if I'm being honest.

There’s something about a war between 2000s style network sitcom “Adult Animation” and… whatever you want to call modern lgbtq+allied cable kids “epic storytelling” that seems right and just.

Boring shit for normies vs goonerbait for basement dwellers doesn’t really split the fandom apart, these are for totally different audiences.. (Screw these phonies acting like they’re somehow part of the same community. Maybe the production team are LinkedIn connections with the rest, but otherwise this stuff comes from different planets.)

These are for totally different demographics, and I feel like the latter would get absolutely savaged if held up to the scrutiny of general audiences. That said I don’t think this Kickstarter funded spiritual successor to Mission Hill counts as mainstream enough to do the job. One day though, something else might be. It’d be great to see these creeps taken down a peg or two.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

There’s something about a war between 2000s style network sitcom “Adult Animation” and… whatever you want to call modern lgbtq+allied cable kids “epic storytelling” that seems right and just.

Boring shit for normies vs goonerbait for basement dwellers doesn’t really split the fandom apart, these are for totally different audiences.. (Screw these phonies acting like they’re somehow part of the same community. Maybe the production team are LinkedIn connections with the rest, but otherwise this stuff comes from different planets.)

These are for totally different demographics, and I feel like the latter would get absolutely savaged if held up to the scrutiny of general audiences. That said I don’t think this Kickstarter funded spiritual successor to Mission Hill counts as mainstream enough to do the job. One day though, something else might be. It’d be great to see these creeps taken down a peg or two.

What happened to a good standard that people should look for, that even got a reboot recently? I'm talking about King of the Hill. You had a cartoon which looked into the life of Hank Hill, his family and his friends. It had some immediate quirks, but nothing too crazy on the level of "The Simpsons". You could see someone like Jeff Boomhauer as a drinking buddy - and weirdos like Ward Rackley (Styx lookalike). You don't need anything else like "Therapy sessions", just have something relatable.

As a matter of fact, King of the Hill aimed for realistic looking people that could almost have been a live production with actors.

 

[Coolio55]

What happened to a good standard that people should look for, that even got a reboot recently? I'm talking about King of the Hill. You had a cartoon which looked into the life of Hank Hill, his family and his friends. It had some immediate quirks, but nothing too crazy on the level of "The Simpsons". You could see someone like Jeff Boomhauer as a drinking buddy - and weirdos like Ward Rackley (Styx lookalike). You don't need anything else like "Therapy sessions", just have something relatable.

As a matter of fact, King of the Hill aimed for realistic looking people that could almost have been a live production with actors.

No hate for the show ...but at that point, why are you even making it a cartoon?
If the situations are all mundane and it's drawn in a non-exaggerated style - what's the point?

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

No hate for the show ...but at that point, why are you even making it a cartoon?
If the situations are all mundane and it's drawn in a non-exaggerated style - what's the point?

Well, it's honestly a good question I honestly have towards King of the Hill - as to why wasn't it were a live production in Texas instead.
I guess the many upsides to consider are the following:
* The production costs go towards animation, which are pretty big in its own;
* No weather, camera setups, unpredictable crew mobility issues or location issues: you don't have to build sets, get locations and get the team to interact together. The costs must go to writers, animators, artists and voice actors.

EDIT: This summarizes quite well:

 

[chalkyresidue]

No hate for the show ...but at that point, why are you even making it a cartoon?
If the situations are all mundane and it's drawn in a non-exaggerated style - what's the point?

It’s the same experience as reading 80s/90s alternative comics. The weird art choices contribute to the vibe as much as anything else. If King of the Hill and A Scanner Darkly switched production teams nobody would be saying they’re basically the same because they’re both basically realistic.

It’s my belief that there ought to be room at the table for all of it. My personal gripe with long form serials is that they’re so characteristically divorced from a non-autistic worldview that the whole genre needs a high colonic. In Japan, normal people watched Evangelion and enjoyed it the way normal people in America watched Twin Peaks. Steven Universe and its descendants are never going to give us anything as well received (or excellent) as Twin Peaks. Better to send them back to the drawing board until they’re ready to make something artistically worthwhile.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

No hate for the show ...but at that point, why are you even making it a cartoon?
If the situations are all mundane and it's drawn in a non-exaggerated style - what's the point?

That's like asking the Japanese why they keep drawing slice-of-life manga about touching grass and making friends. Because why the fuck not.

 

[Coolio55]

That's like asking the Japanese why they keep drawing slice-of-life manga about touching grass and making friends. Because why the fuck not.

E: I think crazy stuff happens in all 3 animes being mocked here but I've never seen 'em

 

[chalkyresidue]

That's like asking the Japanese why they keep drawing slice-of-life manga about touching grass and making friends. Because why the fuck not.

That’s a great point. Ghibli flicks like Whisper of the Heart and even certain kids comedies like Hey Arnold and Doug don’t do wild, gestural motion tricks like a Tex Avery cartoon or ambitious sci fi or fantasy fx like The Last Unicorn, but if you made them live action they really wouldn’t hit the same. There’s a lot to be said for art direction and atmosphere.

We’re in a weird cultural moment where that visual contribution is pretty frequently disregarded in favor of things being better when they’re “more realistic.” Taken to an extreme it’s why the suits thought it was a great idea to remake all the 90s era Disney cartoons as live action 3D CG.

Granted, I’m the kind of sped who took issue with the Netflix adaptation of The Sandman because it didn’t stick with the original comic book art direction like MTV’s The Maxx did, who cares about the casting choices. At the end of the day I’d rather see something that looks like art than something realistic.

 

[Senior Frogmin]

Already a better idea than just 3 guys doing nothing!