AI Bubble Burst - pop

[BigMan13]

What are some of the worst examples you've seen or heard from him?

What came to mind was mainly that of control.

- Elites like him like AI because it does not talk back, and does not hold different thoughts to them. It is entirely curated to their norms; which you see in every model
- Elites, especially him, like AI because it is codeable, entirely and easily manipulable, unlike people
- AI represents an ultimate ideal of control meeting productivity; in addition to prior point, many (all of them) elites lived miserable lives without freedom (trust me), they basically get control they never get to have, with the way things are
- While my father is less(tm) in this camp, though my mother absolutely is; many elites like AI because they earnestly do hate the world (see: child abuse); they want the "Terminator" outcome; they are just very angry with a sensation of being trapped
- They, and my father, consistently say that all costs are worth it in the development of the technology, all of the costs
- They DO NOT state any of their pathology explicitly, and are experts trained from birth (see: child abuse) in describing horrible things in the nicest ways
- While neither of my parents make note of it much, but everything I know points to this: elites absolutely find it funny the general public actually believes on AI; elites earnestly believe in it, but the general (often anti-elite) public spreading their control method, fear, for them, are very useful idiots

A lot of it is desire for control that even yesman natives and migrants can't meet. At a point they don't even know what they want, which makes them more unstable and hateful.

I can answer specific questions on AI capabilties and intentions (e.g. "Do they think AI will [ ]? Why?"; "Do they intend to [ ] with AI? Why?") far better; when you're raised in a closed and hostile way (again, common experience in this), it comes off as normal to you, even when you remove yourself from it.

Actually making one up for myself from the post above, "Do they think AI will achieve consciousness?". They would, unequivocally, prefer it if AI did, for mostly sadistic purposes; but themselves are doubtful. The ones who post and write articles about AI consciousness are basically admitting they had way too much fun trying to psychologically destroy (not just bully) a fucking text prediction algorithm.

 

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[Steel Billet]

PLing a tiny bit: My father is a senior product manager at an AI department, he is one of the relatively few who develop the narratives about AI, which the CEOs then tell the media, which the media then tells the public, which the public then tells themselves. He's a source of the cancer. And he is the most full of shit nigger I have ever had the misfortune of knowing, much more being related to him.

He is a satire of his own position.
- AI is always 6 - 18 months away from achieving perfection
- "Think about the future"
- No, he has no plan or idea of how to get there
- But he gets pissed when others don't have a "plan" (lie) to tell investors
- He responds to any critique of AI with sophistry extrapolating a tiny improvement on a niche area
- He's a lifelong Star Trek fan (fine, good) who consumes all of the new stuff (bad), currently binging Academy (ungodly)
- Would rather be abducted by aliens, leaving everyone/thing behind, has consistently stated this numerous times
- Many struggle with something mentally and work to improve; he instead drops so many pills and therapy sessions I don't actually know who he is without them

These are the people/elites telling you AI is going to take over the world. Not just as a tech here to stay, but going to replace everything. Trust me when I say this is NOT specific to him. Everyone in a similar position to him, is exacty like him in different ways.

Honestly, if there's any requests within reason to learn more about what AI is to the people who believe in it most, I'll ask him, or respond from what I've already talked with him.

Also crosslinking a deep thought I had on AI limitations recently (the person referenced later in that is someone else).

Posts like these make me very thankful to have the parents I do. My most sincere condolences.

 

[TEA 3HF]

Regarding @BigMan13 's post, all I'm going to say is this:

The feeding frenzy of the other elites that know AI is going to go kaputt and blow up in the face of its promoters amidst them is going to be brutal, but possibly hilarious.

 

[BigMan13]

The feeding frenzy of the other elites that know AI is going to go kaputt and blow up in the face of its promoters amidst them is going to be brutal, but possibly hilarious.

Michael Burry, who both predicted the 08 crash and shorted (bet) against the housing market; has for the last few months been doing the exact same thing against AI.

The real limitation with AI related to being anything more than it already is: is actually just code. Code is linear, binary (or qubit, 'quantum computing', meaning it can just be 0 or 1 at the same time), reality is neither, nor is how lifeforms understand it. That's it.

If AI were to meet its investor expectations, then watch for an innovation away from the foundation of binary, to somehow code 'lower-level'. Nobody is talking about it, likely because the majority forgot about 1s and 0s, perhaps because nobody codes directly in that anymore, and the few (if any) who know, also know it would crash the speculation market.

 

[TEA 3HF]

The real limitation with AI related to being anything more than it already is: is actually just code. Code is linear, binary (or qubit, 'quantum computing', meaning it can just be 0 or 1 at the same time), reality is neither, nor is how lifeforms understand it. That's it.

This is more elegant than I have been trying to explain to people. We don't actually have a clear idea of what really constitutes intelligence and these faggots are trying to sell people the idea that they managed to build it into a computer. If anybody, but especially these AI proponents among the elites figure that no one else has worked this out, they're especially retarded. I think they kind of know but as far as the resultant bloodbath is concerned alia iacta est.

I really wonder that the politique of the elites are just watching with baited breath to get all of the potential rewards for AI with a group of convenient patsies a la Atlman, Thiel, Musk, et al to bear the costs. The financial elite are just licking their chops at the options possibilities.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

- Elites, especially him, like AI because it is codeable, entirely and easily manipulable, unlike people

In my experience rolling my own local LLM, it really isn't, practically/realistically. You can give it training datasets, models with different weights, etc, and you can shackle it to give it some semblance of "ethics/morality", and you can iterate upon that as much as you want, but you really can't "code" them. The core programming of all LLMs, is virtually the same between every company and computer running this type of shit, and the fundamental math behind it all, was hashed out about 70 years ago. That isn't to say there's absolutely 0 programming involved, but you basically feed it data and it runs away and does what it does. No matter what, you're still at the mercy of the input data.

Honestly, I think that this limitation is the only reason why we haven't been Skynet'd. Being able to actually 'pop the hood' and tinker with a fully compiled model, on a fine-resolution scale is the wettest dream of Silicon Valley right now, because it truly would give them exactly what they want. There'd be no worry about a bubble if you really could intervene after the initial model compilation/training dataset. We'd simply have a clear winner in this race.

Yes I know I'm a hypocrite for having my big crashout on hating AI on the farms a while back, yet I'm still rolling one anyway. I still hate all of this shit, but I want to better understand it. Now that I do have a deeper understanding of it all, I can say with confidence that I haven't changed my opinions from back then. AI still sucks and can't out-program me. It is good at finding typos, though.

 

[Lasagna4Dead]

One thing I don't see mentioned a lot is the cost of resources I can understand that we could see a day where resources are actively stripped to continue to fund this type of project but as of right now the government hasn't fully let ai companies do what they want with the resources they have to be able to build these massive data centers (even bigger than now) to hold all of that data and even then what's stopping that from crumbling under its own weight because it can't be maintained fast enough or the resources at the level it's at are not enough to push it where they want it to be.

I guess describing it in simpler terms would b a bit easier because the way I see it is ai is a fire and they keep feeding wood to it but there's not enough wood, axes, woodsmen and forest to keep the fire from dying but they will keeping adding wood no matter the cost.

 

[LOLurtranz]

One thing I don't see mentioned a lot is the cost of resources I can understand that we could see a day where resources are actively stripped to continue to fund this type of project but as of right now the government hasn't fully let ai companies do what they want with the resources they have to be able to build these massive data centers (even bigger than now) to hold all of that data and even then what's stopping that from crumbling under its own weight because it can't be maintained fast enough or the resources at the level it's at are not enough to push it where they want it to be.

I guess describing it in simpler terms would b a bit easier because the way I see it is ai is a fire and they keep feeding wood to it but there's not enough wood, axes, woodsmen and forest to keep the fire from dying but they will keeping adding wood no matter the cost.

You are aware that all of the big players are busy building their own nuclear plants correct?

 

[General Zigger]

Yes I know I'm a hypocrite for having my big crashout on hating AI on the farms a while back, yet I'm still rolling one anyway.

I don't think this is hypocritical at all to be honest. Nothing wrong with learning more about a technology even if you dislike the technology.

With the news of Amazon forcing junior engineers to run AI/LLM use by senior engineers first, I'm thinking the bigger players are starting to wake up to the dangers of giving junior engineers a productivity slot machine. I think the smaller and FAANG adjacent companies are going to be the big holdouts, without LLM/AI investments I think their financial reports would like much worse. So to them AI is the only thing keeping them afloat.

 

[Nick Wilde]

they want the "Terminator" outcome

What the fuck, I suddenly think AI bourgies are based now