AI Bubble Burst - pop

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There are several indicators that the AI boom is finally going to go bust soon as years of debt, financial circlejerking and inflated valuations finally make everything implode. After several years of noticeable improvements in LLMs for prediction, image and video generation and programming, lately the new releases from OpenAI, Anthropic and other companies have been comparatively minor releases. And the markets are starting to notice.

In the past week, several of the big tech companies have published their quarterly earnings. Regardless of if they met their price targets, most of their share values dropped anyways.
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MSFT beat their earnings but share prices dropped.
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As of writing, GOOG will be announcing its earnings later today, but investors don't seem confident despite projected growth, and Gemini is generally considered the best of publicly available LLMs.
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ORCL is deeply leveraged into AI, but is currently trending far below its already-lowered price target of $220/share. Michael Burry recently announced he has taken a large put position against them. (Archive)

Another article (Archive) was posted last month going into great detail on the incestuous relationship between OpenAI and Anthropic, Nvidia, TSMC and other software companies. In short, data centers are being built that will be obsolete by the time they are completed by the end of 2027, if they're completed at all. Chip shortages are strangling consumer and enterprise resources, especially for storage and RAM. Power grids are being pushed closer to capacity with your average consumer footing the bill. Microsoft bought Three Mile Island (Archive) and intends to bring it back into commission due to increased power needs for LLMs. However, when China's DeepSeek was shown running offline on a cluster of Macs, $1 trillion in market value was wiped out by panic selling. (Archive)

It seems like the markets are finally starting to realize that AI is not the miracle they thought it would be, and they're running out of lies to delude other and themselves into continuing to throw money into it.
When do you think the collapse will really start? What will it look like? Who will surive? How can you benefit from it?
 
Fucking finally. Always bet on nothing, though; Deepseek should have crashed everything last year, but the market seemed to narrative its way out of it.
 
I saw someone point out recently that they built these Super Serial Businesses that were too holy to be tainted with ads, only to have a billion free users per day ask "Hey ChatGLP, what's the cheapest TV?" which it happily spins up a gorillion GPUs and burns a gorillion in capital to answer.

Instead of covering that with the 0.01% of users paying $15/month or whatever, they should've just embedded sponsored links to every product mentioned in every answer.
 
The recent drama about NVIDIA's investment into OpenAI might be another red flag. The deal negotiations have gone from an initial promise of $100 Bil to around $20 Bil. NVIDIA is pretending nothing is wrong but I do wonder if they're losing faith.

I don't like the idea of a market collapse, but I do want the LLM shit to implode on itself and that's probably what it's going to take.
 
Its not happening before OpenAI stock price falls off of a cliff. Nvidia, TSMC, Google, and Microsoft all have lots of revenue, so they are not the best indicators. OpenAI is the canary. When the panic selling of OpenAI starts happening, then the bubble is bursting.

Hope this means RAM will be cheap again soon.

Not likely anytime soon
 
I don't like the idea of a market collapse, but I do want the LLM shit to implode on itself and that's probably what it's going to take.
Echoing this sentiment. I don't want to relive 2008 but I'm also sick of seeing LLMs/AI in places it shouldn't be and I'm sick of every company using it as a buzzword.
 
I am explicitly here to watch Sam Altman implode in real time. That is the only thing I look forward to with this fucking bubble.
 
Who would have thought a product based off hype and not innovation would flop. "AI will replace X in X years!" AI sucks at it and will replace only the most basic forms of it. "AI will reach AGI in X years!" LLM will never be AGI (LLMWNBAGI if you will). It can never learn, it can only regurgitate information given to it. All "AI coded X thing" is just AI pulling into it treasure trove of stolen codebases to write code that MAYBE works 10% of the time without babying it.

AI will always be stuck being a thing Indians use to make themselves feel better about being inadequate and used by retards to make "funny" images on X.
 
How do I call the CEO of money and tell him he's sabotaging my nigga Donny's political campaign?
I wish I knew, but it would likely involve Jews and schizophrenia. Maybe someone else knows.

And for real: I think partisanship will find a way to blame each other relatively equally, Dems can say Reps failed and Reps can say Dems sabotaged them, for example.


Hope this means RAM will be cheap again soon.
Echoing this sentiment. I don't want to relive 2008 but I'm also sick of seeing LLMs/AI in places it shouldn't be and I'm sick of every company using it as a buzzword.
There's a lot of problems making the potential harshness of a crash far worse:
- More partisanship
- Too much debt
- Little to no real productivity (e.g. factories)
- You can't legislate belief in a technology without breaking the free market
- Less global leverage, particularly in the weakening of the petrodollar
- More immigrants: the population might just leave, worsening crash
- Inverted age pyramid of native population and disenthused youth; less prime-age people will work in a crash

There's a lot of holes of be poked in these; point is: don't trust the government to actually handle a hypothetical crash until they successfully do. If they don't, then a crash now, of all times, could lead to things currently unthinkable, not just 2008 2.0, or cheaper RAM.
 
And if there is a burst it will not hit Microsoft and Google, it will fuck over OpenAI foremost
Google and Microsoft have pivoted hard into LLMs. It's going to hurt them too even if it doesn't destroy them.
"AI will replace X in X years!" AI sucks at it and will replace only the most basic forms of it. "AI will reach AGI in X years!" LLM will never be AGI (LLMWNBAGI if you will). It can never learn, it can only regurgitate information given to it. All "AI coded X thing" is just AI pulling into it treasure trove of stolen codebases to write code that MAYBE works 10% of the time without babying it.
With all the failed promises and the fact that they've been massively in the red for years, it's baffling* how OpenAI hasn't collapsed yet.

*I mean, I know why it hasn't collapsed yet, but it's still shocking that people are still buying into it.
 
Google and Microsoft have pivoted hard into LLMs. It's going to hurt them too even if it doesn't destroy them.

With all the failed promises and the fact that they've been massively in the red for years, it's baffling* how OpenAI hasn't collapsed yet.

*I mean, I know why it hasn't collapsed yet, but it's still shocking that people are still buying into it.
Remember the Dot Com bubble
 
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