I really, really hate fan fiction.

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Of course it's also time that could be spent watching tv or playing video games. Almost all reading is good reading, and people having fun writing something shouldn't be put down any more than people playing a pickup game of basketball who have no plans of joining a real team.
 
Guardian G.I. dijo:
Hating all fanfiction because of fanfiction.net is like hating all art done by hobbyists because of DeviantArt.
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Seriously. Fanfiction.net and dA are pretty much cesspools of creepy or just outright terrible stuff. While there are some good ones, they're few and far in-between.

If you go on FFnet to find fanfiction, don't expect quality. There are much better fanficitions out there, just not on there.
 
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Guardian G.I. dijo:
Hating all fanfiction because of fanfiction.net is like hating all art done by hobbyists because of DeviantArt.
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True. Not all art communities can be as mature and consistently high-quality as Hentaifoundry.
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I admit, I laughed.
Their warning alone is kinda funny to me.


As for fanfiction, looking for a good one on FFnet is like finding a needle in a haystack. Even when I'm NOT intentionally looking for bad ones, it takes forever to find one decent fic.

EDIT:Here's a Fallout 3 fanfic. It started out all right, but then went downhill quickly because the protagonist wasn't enough of an odd one out already. She made the female PC a lesbian for drama purposes and has everyone despise her and pretty much want to hurt her for it. Tunnel Snakes are pretty much rapists who wanna rape PC. Characters were warped OoC, especially Amata who turned into an evil bitch who hated the PC. (In canon, she would only seriously hate you if you killed her dad.) I quit after two or three chapters. The writer was going for too much drama at once... and more drama than was necessary.
 
Erotic Libertarian Christian fiction, and other oddities

A few days ago, a friend of mine linked me to this Libertarian, Christian erotic fantasy. Yes, I'm not kidding. It's the story of Billy Americano (yes, really) a TRUE and HONEST American who shoots a cop for pulling over some "negros" (it really does use that word. This was written in 2004 mind you). After that he's arrested, only to be broken out of jail by an angel who ends up being his SWEETHEART FROM THE GROUND UP. She also gives him a trip to Rio, his own Island, dancing cheerleaders, and more because apparently that's what you get for shooting a cop. Anyway, the thing reads like Teabagger's Sonichu complete with blatant wish fulfillment Gary-Stu nonsense.

Figured it might be relevant to share this with you guys.

EDIT: was moved into the fanfic thread, ah.
 
As a young writer, I've dabbled, albeit unsuccessfully, in the world of fan fiction. It was a pain in the ass for me, because I put a lot of pressure on myself in honoring the source material while at the same time putting a new spin on it. For that reason, I find doing original work to be much easier and more fun.
 
Connor dijo:
As a young writer, I've dabbled, albeit unsuccessfully, in the world of fan fiction. It was a pain in the ass for me, because I put a lot of pressure on myself in honoring the source material while at the same time putting a new spin on it. For that reason, I find doing original work to be much easier and more fun.
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That's one of the reasons why I went with my own work.
That, and you can set the rules of your universe.
 
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Android raptor dijo:
A few days ago, a friend of mine linked me to this Libertarian, Christian erotic fantasy. Yes, I'm not kidding. It's the story of Billy Americano (yes, really) a TRUE and HONEST American who shoots a cop for pulling over some "negros" (it really does use that word. This was written in 2004 mind you). After that he's arrested, only to be broken out of jail by an angel who ends up being his SWEETHEART FROM THE GROUND UP. She also gives him a trip to Rio, his own Island, dancing cheerleaders, and more because apparently that's what you get for shooting a cop. Anyway, the thing reads like Teabagger's Sonichu complete with blatant wish fulfillment Gary-Stu nonsense.

Figured it might be relevant to share this with you guys.

EDIT: was moved into the fanfic thread, ah.
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Ah, yes, I remember this fic. It also has a sequel and a spin-off. The interesting (re: incredibly disturbing) thing about these fics is that they were actually written by a former politician, who genuinely advocates cop-killing (that's why he's a former politician).
 
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More for context than anything else.

This is the part I wanted to share.
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It's almost clever, except for the parts where it's pure "WHAT??"
 
Guardian G.I. dijo:
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I think there are good fanfictions, I've found a few good hero and villain centric fics that I've liked, most of them being one shots or standalones in a series of vignettes, but that's just me. Not every fanfic is My Immortal; you may find something good if you like a series enough, even if you have to sift through a lot of bad ones to do it.
 
I am unable to seriously write fan fiction. The most that I can do is write Cosmic Horror in the vein of Lovecraft because the Cthulhu mythos was an open universe to begin with.

The entire Science Fiction & Fantasy publishing industry has more or less become glorified fan fiction. It's hard finding anything in that genre nowadays that isn't painfully derivative.
 
I used to write a bit when I was younger, and in all honesty it was probably pretty dreadful. I haven't looked at it in about a decade though. It was a kind of shared universe fanfic, with various authors contributing. What stopped me was the fact that the shared 'verse became unusable due to the sheer number of new characters the fan authors introduced. Basically I couldn't write anything without raising the question of why [x fan character] wasn't getting involved here, or why when [y character] went to [z place], they didn't run into [x fan character]. What got me out of that fan community altogether was the fans who basically treated their fanworks as canon - like, they'd criticise other authors for not using the history they'd invented for a particular character, and God help you if you wrote something in direct contradiction. I guess because it was quite a small fandom for a show that was never coming back, it was easier for people to consider themselves a Big Deal.

These days, I just can't be arsed with fanfics. The few I enjoy are usually parodies, like Asperchu or My Immortal. I loved HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH for its sheer balls-to-the-wall insanity.

I think in general, my issue with fanfic these days is a bit of a spergy one. To me, if the original creator of the work isn't involved, then it's not part of that universe, and so what's the point? To give an example, I enjoy the Song of Ice and Fire books, which are full of twists and revelations and hidden motivations. If someone decides to write a fanfic where, e.g, Hodor winds up boffing Daenerys, then while it may be a moving and well-written story, it won't be the plot that George R. R. Martin has in mind. I feel the same about "official continuations," like the post-Fleming Bond novels and the Eoin Colfer Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy novel.

Don't get me wrong, if people want to write it, that's fine. As fan tributes go, it's better than kidnapping. It's just not my bag any more.
 
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Does anyone ACTUALLY respect fan fiction? I have friends who take their fan fiction SO FUCKING SERIOUSLY. I kind of want to sit them down and say....look....no one fucking cares. No one takes this seriously. Every one of your friends on Facebook is tired of being tagged when you get a new idea for Powerpuff Girls meets Donald Duck meets Boba Fett & the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy. People reach these almost CWC levels of delusion, like "There are four people on fanfiction.net who are REALLY INTO my new story!".

I hate fan fiction. Actual writers hate fan fiction. Unless you're that moron that wrote Fifty Shades of Grey (y'know, that great piece of literature), no one is going to give you a job based on your fan fiction. Can you imagine trying to get a job at Marvel comics and being like "I can send you my Spider-Man/Buzz Lightyear/Godzilla story from fanfiction.net!"

It's all shit! There's no quality control! And eventually it just devolves into characters fucking!

I FUCKING HATE FAN FICTION!! :briefs:
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I hate fan fiction with a passion. My friend was writing a Kingdom Hearts fan fiction in eighth grade (so about 3 years ago), and she kept asking me for advice. I usually said something along the lines of "Come up with an original story." I don't really care if someone writes one, I just think that they should keep it to themselves (unless it's Sonichu fan fiction, because then it's highly unlikely that it'll be worse than it's basis). I'll admit that I've come up with fan fiction ideas, but I'd never actually make them, mostly because I am very lazy.
 
As far as hating fan-fiction goes, I mentioned hating World's Luckiest Guy and some MLP fan-fic titled Brony. There is another MLP fan-fic I despise (or should I say, universe since apparently it began on Tumblr *yet another reason why one can see Tumblr as a cess-pitt aside from hate and SJW's*) and I'll just give off this reason why I hate (Saney, if you are somehow reading this, you should know what I'm talking about): misogynistic, rape, love-shy wish-fulfillment (as Saney would put it). The only good it brought were fan-fics that tore it a new hole along with the fact that someone made some sort a piece of art that reversed the setting, bringing about drama on a brony website (the defenders of the fan-fic kept saying it can't be related despite a mod saying it is related to their OC villain stu work since it does use their universe). Also, even though I mentioned despising World's Luckiest Guy, I can say this: A-Log may of made it even more unlikable with some Thanksgiving chapter he gave it. A-Log and a turkey-anthro woman, that is all.
 
I think fanfiction is at its best when it just embraces the ridiculousness of it all, like with My Immortal and Asperchu. I once wrote a fanfic about Harry Potter as a Russian communist, just to see how it would come together. When fanfiction takes itself seriously it most of it quickly devolves into Pooh's Adventures Lite.
 
The whole "hurrr use your own characters" meme is based on a pretty shaky premise. Lots of professional writers write licensed fiction, especially, surprise surprise, when they're just breaking in to writing before they have the opportunity to have their crazy unique magnum opus published. The vast majority of writers for television will be primarily writing characters other people have come up with, and you need to be able to write them consistently. Television writers also write "Spec Scripts" for their portfolios which are basically professional fan fiction. The ability to write other people's character and have them sound authentic is an actual skill that actual writers, not people on the internet speaking on the behalf of writers, actually use to make a living. And that's without getting into oral traditions and literary archetypes and genres and how virtually every writer gets their start by emulating their heroes until they grow enough as a writer to develop their own style.

So the idea that writing fan-fiction isn't a way to develop writing skill is just something people with no writing skill say. They've probably written something TOTALLY UNIQUE AND ORIGINAL GAIZ, because they're gone over TV-Tropes and it contains none of them, that is just as bad as the worst of fan-fiction. Because people will tell you that most fan-fiction is garbage, and they're right, but they forget that most Fiction is garbage. It's just there's no editorial process for fan-fiction so it's harder to find the good stuff.
 
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Uzumaki dijo:
The whole "hurrr use your own characters" meme is based on a pretty shaky premise. Lots of professional writers write licensed fiction, especially, surprise surprise, when they're just breaking in to writing before they have the opportunity to have their crazy unique magnum opus published. The vast majority of writers for television will be primarily writing characters other people have come up with, and you need to be able to write them consistently. Television writers also write "Spec Scripts" for their portfolios which are basically professional fan fiction. The ability to write other people's character and have them sound authentic is an actual skill that actual writers, not people on the internet speaking on the behalf of writers, actually use to make a living. And that's without getting into oral traditions and literary archetypes and genres and how virtually every writer gets their start by emulating their heroes until they grow enough as a writer to develop their own style.

So the idea that writing fan-fiction isn't a way to develop writing skill is just something people with no writing skill say. They've probably written something TOTALLY UNIQUE AND ORIGINAL GAIZ, because they're gone over TV-Tropes and it contains none of them, that is just as bad as the worst of fan-fiction. Because people will tell you that most fan-fiction is garbage, and they're right, but they forget that most Fiction is garbage. It's just there's no editorial process for fan-fiction so it's harder to find the good stuff.
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I think that it can really help hone their skills. Of course, how much it does that depends entirely on the writer. If they whine or decide to quit when someone gives them honest critique, then they won't get very far. It's not an easy path, but those that learn and keep at it are getting a headstart and can learn how to develop better characters and storylines. That said, the sooner they stop focusing on ORIGINAL DONUT STEEL the better off they'll be; no idea is truly original, but the spin on it is as well as the good writing. TvTropes is best used as a tool to see how they're executed in other works and better understand the ideas behind them.

While not all fanfiction is good and FFnet has a reputation of having terrible fics, it can be quite flattering to have someone love your work so much they write stories of their own. Hell, I'd be ecstatic someone was inspired to write because of something I created. Even if it's not very good.

Even if it's not good, there's still some entertainment to be had.
 
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