I really, really hate fan fiction.

Saney dijo:
The Tyrant dijo:
Strangely, I am an aspiring writer, but I am also a sucker for fan fiction. Mostly due to how insane it can be. I loathe everything about poor writing and plotting so much that I adore it. There was a time I was with a small group of friends on skype, and one of them decided to read some gem called 'Immortality in Fickle Affection'...in various DBZ style voices. His Freeza, Goku and Piccolo voices were so spot on it made a tale about Hercules(from the Disney movie) getting freaky with a Final Fantasy character(that morphed into wtf) both digestible and hilarious beyond comprehension.


Also you may not want to read it if you value your soul. It is like 'Cloud Mows the Lawn' multiplied by ten.
I'm curious and horrified at the same time.
...Weeell, I do enjoy sating another's curiosity...

http://web.archive.org/web/20050317202923/reallybadfanfiction.com/fanfics3/Affection.txt

I am a horrible person. Do have fun, whoever decides to read it. It will be an experience you will not forget.
 
Okay, I freely admit it. I've written fanfiction since before it had a name: back then it was just "your Star Wars story" or "your Trek story" or your "Raiders of the Lost Ark story" and Mary Sue just meant you had an Original Character, not the loathsome little creature she (and it's nearly always a she) is known as today.

I met my SO at my second sci-fi con and for years we wrote a fic that went back and forth through the U.S. postal service ( remember we are from the dark days before the internet) -- and let me say, for me and for all of you -- I am so fucking glad there was no internet back then! Holy shit, am I glad, the world has been spared my truly bad self absorbed Mary Sues (and yeah I mean loathsome little creature MS) I came up with because I was a deeply unhappy human being growing up in the middle of nowhere with very few friends and no other way to find members of my tribe of fanboys. Oh, and I assure you, I would have had a very lengthy ED entry, I'm sure.

Due respect to SoIRegistered, but I could introduce you to someone who became the head of the CBS Consumer Products publishing division overseeing the Star Trek novels for Pocket Books, largely because she had done such excellent work editing a number of fanzines (and yes, she published some of my less nasty writing, bless her). I pay the bills these days working as a writer in the entertainment industry -- I got here starting out in comics and trading cards. I got into the TV industry when I was hired by a guy who had been the story editor for one of the shows I used to write fanfic for -- and that's part of the reason I was hired. And hell yes, I admit it -- I still write fanfic and yeah it lives in its own little world over on fanfic.net. I don't update it very often, but I get nice little reviews from people who seem to like it and a couple of them have become my friends IRL because of it. I love what I do for a living, but sometimes it's nice to go play inside my head with some characters I have loved since I was 17 who made a neat transition to the big screen and reminded me how much I still love them. I like to think of fanficing as a game. I give it rules and I try to stick with them -- the characters I play with come from a franchise that is rated PG-13 so that's where I try to keep the situation. I like the challenge of trying to keep all the players in character and still tell my story.

Annnnnddd, having said all that I will also say ... I don't bang on about it on my FB account! I don't bang on about it there the same way I don't bang on about CWC on my FB or my DA account (yeah, I have one of those too). I like to keep my psychoses and their attendant followers (DA people over here, FF.net people there, and you fine folks right here) separate from one another, and don't worry, I won't link you to my other nuttiness, I won't even bore you with the franchise it's about. Most fanfiction sucks, and I don't blame any of you who hate it, my early ones certainly did and I am no fan of slash, never have been; fine if you like it, just not my thing and I've had sex in real life so I don't need to write about that either. The problem with fanfic and the internet is that there is just no filter anymore. Back in the Stone Age, if your story actually gave forth to the masses, it was because it was published in a fanzine, many of these had very excellent stories (one, in fact, was written by Marion Zimmer Bradley -- and it WAS in a slash 'zine -- it was a parody piece and actually hilarious) Fanzines also often had many fine illustrations and they were cool back then. But the crucial thing was that zines had editors and this is what the trouble is with fanfic now. You can hate fanfic all you want or you can have a good time with it, but because the world of fic has lost its editors we are all suffering through the 99.7% of complete shit that's lurking out there. I write fanfic because I have fond memories of the old days and I like the game of it, I write non-fiction in real life and I am lucky to do it -- did fanfic help me get there? Abso-fuckin'-lutely, but so did the first editors that handed things back to me and said "you need to work on this, bring it back when it's fixed" -- it's the exact same thing as my head writer saying "I know where you're going with this, but it needs a tweak".

Sorry for the rant, but at least I wasn't drunk this time, so hopefully I won't hear that my "long post full of crying and butthurt was hilarious" again. But that's what I like about it here, we can agree to disagree or someone can post an opinion that makes you see something from another perspective, and this is a good thread. Thanks for putting up with me.

TL;DR:
Elderly Shut-In admits to many years of fanfic writing and how it actually worked out for her.
 
Chandler Cats dijo:
TL;DR:
Elderly Shut-In admits to many years of fanfic writing and how it actually worked out for her.
Good to hear a hobby worked out well for you! Perhaps I should have clarified myself, I don't see any problem with fan fiction, I just enjoy reading bad ones for masochistic reasons. It is but an innocent pass time, whether poorly written or a grammar heaven. Some take their stories seriously because they consider it something precious, something they, in a sense, created and believe is really good, and there's no real issue with that(unless they start reacting like inane chimps). It's like making a flash game, role playing, cosplaying, drawing fan art or really any hobby. Some will look down upon you as some type of subhuman, and others will commend you for a shared interest. Some will be exceedingly talented, but there are numerous amounts of poor attempts that somehow ooze pride out there. There are some that have proven to be surprisingly well, but yes they all drown in a sea of 'My Immortal', which is unfortunate because of the reputation it gives others who write fan fiction. But really, if you're having fun, what should it matter if someone insults what you love doing?
 
The Tyrant dijo:
Chandler Cats dijo:
TL;DR:
Elderly Shut-In admits to many years of fanfic writing and how it actually worked out for her.
Good to hear a hobby worked out well for you! Perhaps I should have clarified myself, I don't see any problem with fan fiction, I just enjoy reading bad ones for masochistic reasons. It is but an innocent pass time, whether poorly written or a grammar heaven. Some take their stories seriously because they consider it something precious, something they, in a sense, created and believe is really good, and there's no real issue with that(unless they start reacting like inane chimps). It's like making a flash game, role playing, cosplaying, drawing fan art or really any hobby. Some will look down upon you as some type of subhuman, and others will commend you for a shared interest. Some will be exceedingly talented, but there are numerous amounts of poor attempts that somehow ooze pride out there. There are some that have proven to be surprisingly well, but yes they all drown in a sea of 'My Immortal', which is unfortunate because of the reputation it gives others who write fan fiction. But really, if you're having fun, what should it matter if someone insults what you love doing?


I'm so sorry if I came off like a ranting maniac. I think you hit it perfectly on the head, it's a hobby, it shouldn't be a way of life. I take it seriously only to the extent that I try to keep it professional and make sure I spelled everything right. There is a fine line in writing in that you cannot be absolutely married to your piece if you have any expectation of seeing in published/produced -- a book will take an average of nine months before it sees print and go through just as many editors along the way -- a screenplay ... well, let's just say that there's probably three other writers involved for every one name you see on the screen (I've got a REALLY good story about the script for "X-Men: First Class" and my neighbor who co-wrote it). Your analogies were great (and you're a good writer, by the way. There are an astounding amount of them here, actually.) My approach to fanfic is like role-playing on paper, I was an actor for a long time and it's always helped me to RP a scene that isn't working (this is where having an equally demented SO comes in handy), we also edit each others stuff and say nasty things about it because we can, and then you realize they're right and you go fix it. The best advice I can give to anyone who is writing is, let it cool off for a couple of days, DON'T finish your "totally epic cliffy" and punch the 'publish' button and wait for those fangirl asspats to roll in -- print the thing out, shove it in a drawer and walk away from it for a while, go out, breathe air, see some people, don't hit a car in the parking lot of El Agave, and when you finally come back re-read the thing OUT LOUD and then fix it -- because you will need to. Have someone else read it, and listen to what they say. If you really, really love a line or a scene they hate it's okay to fight for it, but have a reason why and explain it. It'll make you a better writer and you will get the readers you deserve.

Oh, and I really, really LOVE horrible fic, it is my guilty pleasure. My favorite are really awful 10th Walker LOTR stories and tweenagers who think their idiot Mary Sue character can redeem Rorshach from "Watchmen" --a perfectly beautiful graphic novel that had absolutely NO fanfic until the movie appeared. Feel free to send links to really fucking badfic, sometimes it's even more entertaining that a really thoughful, well-written piece. I'm sorry you guys missed the hey-day of the coal-burning fanzine -- one of our convention joys was to get together and laugh at really bad illustrations and deliver dramatic readings of seriously bad fic (not every 'zine had an editor, not every editor was good at their job). Now we just fire up the laptop and do the same thing, but somehow it's not as fun. (Have you ever read "Legolas by Laura"? Truly, truly bad -- might be a trollfic, but I like to think it's not. I once had a truly, truly bad LOTR fic, I burned it when I was in college, and the world is a better place for it, trust me.)
 
Oh no no, you did not give off that impression at all, I promise! Your words actually made me think I should have done a better job at explaining my stance on it, as my opinion isn't a negative one and I dislike giving off that impression to anyone. If a fan fiction writer wants to take things to the next level, then yes, there is a need to actively engage yourself into your work on a professional level. Some would be amazed at how just reading something aloud puts everything into an entirely new perspective. You spot your mistakes much easier than if you were to go over it millions of times over by the eye. Our eyes are deceptive, after all. And, indeed, having someone who will be brutally honest helps improve your quality several fold. It can be a bit hurtful, but it definitely helps in the long run. But, it is mostly a collection of youths going gaga for their immense love of a subject, so they just go bananas and behave like, well, chodes. They can never handle critique, constructive or otherwise. If fan fiction authors could take a step down from their pedestal and just remind themselves that for most of them it is just a hobby, I think they wouldn't be mocked so harshly. I certainly think they should take the criticism and try to improve instead of typing every line as if they were having a seizure, but that's my take on a hobby; something you both enjoy and you improve upon with time and effort. Make something worthy to be proud of.

I have not actually read most of those you've mentioned, which is so disheartening for me, I will have to go on a search for them! Trollfic or not, I love them all! What I have read...amazingly enough, is something called 'My Inner Life'. It's a Legend of Zelda fan fiction that oh dear. It's a Legend of Zelda fan fiction that oh no. It's, I don't really know what to call it. The very definition of tl;dr fan fiction...? The author's note alone was at least a page or two. From what I recall, it was written as a series of dreams the author had surrounding Link and herself, so, it's basically The Legend of Twilight. There is a drinking game to go with it on ED.

http://linksqueen.tripod.com/mil.html

There was also some insanity whose name escapes me that involved Twilight and...I think it was Sonic and Harry Potter? I read it on a whim and felt my brain slowly implode, it was magnificent.


Also, I must say you flatter me with the compliment. Considering I have insomnia, I'm surprised my writing quality isn't all over the place and to be recognized for it by a writer is so flustering...
 
I occasionally read and write fanfiction. Mostly to get a story out of me I really don't care enough about creating a mythos about.

Like I had this Harry Potter fanfic in the back of my mind where the main character was born a squib and therefore never went to Hogwarts.

Do I think Fanfiction is good? Fuck no it's schlock. But everyone likes schlock to a certain degree. I personally just use it as a way to get my shitty stories out so that someone might enjoy them.
 
I've written some, but I've come up with even more plot bunnies in forums. I treat it like a game of bullshit, make plausible what if's? based around the characters without them being out of character.

I also have a rule. If I self-insert, I must kill him.

Anyway, I had an idea for an Ask Sonichu thing, where Sonichu was a thinking creature who had to go along with Chris's godlike will. If Chris wants Sonichu to say something, Sonichu will say it even if Sonichu doesn't want to or believe it. And by Chris standards, this will be canon! Anyway, I didn't go through with it because I am a horrible artist. It might make it seem more authentic, but I have my pride.
 
A "novel" posted on Fanfiction.net titled "Cliche."

Here's the synopsis:
Living without a father, and having her mother being sick when all the time, Max tries to make her life as plain as possible when all of the sudden love, drama, and excitement come crashing her way. We'll she be able to handle these new experiences...?

(Warning: Contains stupidity.)
 
I still find "Cupcakes" a stupid fanfiction and not as creepy as what most bronies said about it.
 
Alan Pardew dijo:
I still find "Cupcakes" a stupid fanfiction and not as creepy as what most bronies said about it.
I really don't see what's so scary about it. Initially, I was more easily grossed out by the descriptions, but other than that...
 
I despise "World's Luckiest Guy". The mock makes it better though. (http://www.projectafterforums.com/index ... topic=4354 .Thank you Saney for that Project AFTER link)
From Project AFTER, I stumbled upon an MLP fan-fic (The title is Brony) that I despise it since one reason(and I say one reason only because I don't want to look through it again right now) the main character, a human who ends up in anthro Equestria, is a jerk who has what sounds like a completely Marty Stu name and reading the actual story is boring compared to reading the mock.

caffeinated_wench dijo:
Alan Pardew dijo:
I still find "Cupcakes" a stupid fanfiction and not as creepy as what most bronies said about it.
I really don't see what's so scary about it. Initially, I was more easily grossed out by the descriptions, but other than that...
I remember seeing a G-Mod video of Cupcakes that was a sort of sequel (Rainbow Dash and friends get vengeance against Pinkie). It was better than reading Cupcakes.
 
c-no dijo:
I despise "World's Luckiest Guy". The mock makes it better though. (http://www.projectafterforums.com/index ... topic=4354 .Thank you Saney for that Project AFTER link)
From Project AFTER, I stumbled upon an MLP fan-fic (The title is Brony) that I despise it since one reason(and I say one reason only because I don't want to look through it again right now) the main character, a human who ends up in anthro Equestria, is a jerk who has what sounds like a completely Marty Stu name and reading the actual story is boring compared to reading the mock.
Mocks are usually more fun.
 
I personally don't have a high opinion on fanfiction. The time one could spend reading or writing fan fiction is time one could better spend reading or writing and actual book.
 
Alan Pardew dijo:
I still find "Cupcakes" a stupid fanfiction and not as creepy as what most bronies said about it.

Yeah, maybe I've just been desensitised, but I really didn't find it that bad. I also thought that Rob Bricken completely overhyped just how bad The Pokemon Story was. Yeah, it's bad, the sex is disgusting and all that, but it really wasn't as horrible as he made it out to be.
 
Ziltoid dijo:
I personally don't have a high opinion on fanfiction. The time one could spend reading or writing fan fiction is time one could better spend reading or writing and actual book.
Personally, I just like bad things to cringe and laugh at.

Fanfiction has also helped me out one way or another. Often, it's like a guide on what not to do.
 
Saney dijo:
Alan Pardew dijo:
I still find "Cupcakes" a stupid fanfiction and not as creepy as what most bronies said about it.

Yeah, maybe I've just been desensitised, but I really didn't find it that bad. I also thought that Rob Bricken completely overhyped just how bad The Pokemon Story was. Yeah, it's bad, the sex is disgusting and all that, but it really wasn't as horrible as he made it out to be.
Now Saney let me ask you; What is this Pokemon Story you speak of? Is there a mock on it?
 
I've actually read some fanfiction that was professional quality writing. Maybe I just lucked out and managed to stumble upon the few gems in the massive, massive cesspool that is the world of fanfiction as a whole but really good shit does actually exist (granted it's an extremely small percentage of all fanfiction, but still). I also occasionally write and have plans for future projects and personally I want my shit to be as good as possible. Unfortunately my shit is generally about pretty obscure fandoms/characters so I have a tough time getting feedback.

That said I wrote my share of badfic during adolescence, some of which I still keep up for people to laugh at if nothing else. I know I loooooove me some badfic, like no lie some of the badfic I've read is seriously some of the funniest shit ever IMHO.
 
c-no dijo:
Saney dijo:
Alan Pardew dijo:
I still find "Cupcakes" a stupid fanfiction and not as creepy as what most bronies said about it.

Yeah, maybe I've just been desensitised, but I really didn't find it that bad. I also thought that Rob Bricken completely overhyped just how bad The Pokemon Story was. Yeah, it's bad, the sex is disgusting and all that, but it really wasn't as horrible as he made it out to be.
Now Saney let me ask you; What is this Pokemon Story you speak of? Is there a mock on it?

Not exactly, Rob was too traumatised to write a proper mock.
 
Ziltoid dijo:
I personally don't have a high opinion on fanfiction. The time one could spend reading or writing fan fiction is time one could better spend reading or writing and actual book.

This, I've read dozens upon dozens of fanfics. None of them all that good (some of them are passable, but not a lot).

Then again, most of the ones I've read were riddled with shit grammar and few, if any, shipping.
 
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