Disaster Bernie Sanders suggests he wouldn’t abolish ICE - "BERNIE NOOOO!!!"

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“You need to have protection of our borders and you need people to do that,” the Vermont senator said at the Minnesota State Fair.

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ST. PAUL, Minn. ― Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT.), while campaigning at the Minnesota State Fair on Saturday, suggested he would not abolish U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The 2020 Democratic presidential candidate said he would get rid of ICE raids but declined to say that he would scrap the agency altogether during a live-taping of an interview with MPR News, which hundreds of fairgoers had gathered to watch.

Asked if he agreed with a woman in the crowd who shouted “abolish ICE” during the audience Q&A portion of the interview, Sanders told MPR News host Tom Crann that he would abolish “the current disastrous immigration system.”

“ICE is one small part of that system,” Sanders said. “We have to develop a system. But I will say this: We will abolish the ICE raids, which are terrorizing communities all over this country.”

Crann continued to press the Vermont senator, asking if he sees “a valid purpose for an agency in the federal government like ICE.”

“The first question you asked, do I believe in open borders? No, I do not,” Sanders responded. “So you need to have protection of our borders and you need people to do that.”

Hayley Miller on Twitter

“On whether he supports abolishing ICE: Sanders calls for “abolishing the current disastrous system and ICE raids.” Pressed to answer directly, he notes that he’s not for open borders. “We would need to have protection of our borders and you need people to do that.””

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The question of whether to abolish ICE has become somewhat of a litmus test among 2020 Democratic presidential candidates. Sanders’ comments Saturday mark his strongest statement against shutting down the agency to date.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and Miramar, Florida, Mayor Wayne Messam are the only two 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls who have called for ICE to be abolished.
Sanders has previously called for the restructuring of the immigration enforcement agency and voted against establishing ICE and the Department of Homeland Security when they were proposed over 15 years ago.

“ICE has become a deportation and detention machine,” Sanders said in July 2018. “And I would fundamentally restructure the agency, as well as all the agencies that currently enforce our immigration laws, to create a humane and rational immigration system with independent oversight.”

Watch Sanders’s full interview with MPR News below. His comments about ICE begin around the 30-minute mark.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8OvowCJU-U0

>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SAY WE NEED ICE AFTER I RETWEETED JENNIFER LAWRENCE'S TWEETS ABOUT ICE BEING FASCISTS RUN BY DRUMPFT!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

The fuck? I live pretty damn close to the State Fairgrounds (powerlevel, I know) and there wasn’t a peep about Sanders campaigning there. No signs, no stickers on lampposts, no billboards, no robocalls, nothing.

The Minnesota State Fair attracts literally hundreds of thousands of people a day, and that article says Bernie only had “hundreds” of people attending his rally. The food stand selling Spamburgers and Deep Fried Spam Curds probably got more traffic than the Bern did.

(yes, the fair has one of those)

 

[MW 590]

Here is a solution to the college debt issue

People have been speaking about college debt for decades. And stupid fuckers still keep taking out these loans... STILL! The programming is hard to break.

There are three choices:
1) Status quo. If you take out a dumb loan. It's on you.
2) Free college! Debt forgiveness and whatever. Make everyone else pay for young people to fuck around for 4-ish years.
3) Free market. Stop securing the loans. Banks won't loan for garbage degrees, new cars, and spring break in Cabo then.

Considering you can't swing a dead cat and not hit some unemployed/underemployed college grad I'm thinking Bernie's plan is shit.

There is another option. Outlaw usury like it was outlawed in many European countries for centuries.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Here is a solution to the college debt issue

There is another option. Outlaw usury like it was outlawed in many European countries for centuries.

Student loan debt actually has pretty low rates and therefore not usury by definition. It's not an unscrupulous payday loan or a high interest credit card. It's a secured government loan with interest not much above inflation. Right now a Stafford loan is running between 3.75% and 5%. That's nothing.

Students just borrow so goddamn much that paying it back is a bitch. It's "free" money to them and of course they will have a degree and be making six figures when it comes time to pay it back so, fuck it, they don't need no summer job. Go to the expensive private school rather than the cheap state school. Live on campus with the room and board fees. And, of course, buy frivolous shit with the money left over.

Young people, in general, are shitty with money. Whoda thunk it.

 

[Y2K Baby]

What a fucking skunk. What exactly constitutes a more "humane and rational" system? You could claim that shit of any system and not tell what you'd change about it and people would eat it up.

Sounds like you need to be more humane and rational tbh.

 

[millais]

The idea of a permanently-standing and ready-to-go US army is a Cold War artifact.

From the late 19th Century to the end of WWII, the idea was that the senior brass/officer corps would maintain the training facilities and study and develop tactics and weapons, and then when war rolled around, pump up the ranks with draftees and give them a crash-course and then let them learn the rest in the field. (The "Joke" in Saving Private Ryan about the character of Cpl. Upham having never fired his weapon since basic despite being deployed to France for D-Day is actually accurate)

The fact it took a year to mobilize effectively from that state and that the US tended to do pretty badly in their first few live combat engagements eventually made them realize that when time was of the essence, we didn't have the luxury of drafting, screening and training a rifleman, we needed him mustered and on a boat in 24 hours tops now and the Army we know today, of ideally permanent readiness, pretty much came from that.

One of the reasons that they desegregated the armed forces under Truman wasn't as much racial altruism as much as penny-pinching and realizing it was a waste of cash to needlessly duplicate everything in the upgrade to the new standard.

Wouldn't it be sufficient for the present day security commitments to maintain the Marine Corps as the designated force-in-readiness and keep the Army on a more lax footing, with the possibility of filling out the Army ranks in time of crisis by recalling reservists and National Guard for retraining.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

This raises my opinion of Sanders actually. Instead of promising he will do something as election pork, lie to get votes in other words, he says he won't do it because he's not that insane. The outcome is the same, ICE won't go away no matter who is elected. At best someone might push through a name change that results in existing employees getting new hats.

 

[The Last Stand]

Student loan debt actually has pretty low rates and therefore not usury by definition. It's not an unscrupulous payday loan or a high interest credit card. It's a secured government loan with interest not much above inflation. Right now a Stafford loan is running between 3.75% and 5%. That's nothing.

I feel like because it doesn't affect YOU, it would be mox nix whether or not college debt would be taken care of. You meaning people that didn't need to have a college degree to go further in life.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

I feel like because it doesn't affect YOU, it would be mox nix whether or not college debt would be taken care of. You meaning people that didn't need to have a college degree to go further in life.

You really don't. Not as much as you think and is "common knowledge", anyways. Like, you can become an engineer in most places without an engineering degree. You just have to have "relevant engineer experience" (an associates in drafting from Eastwesternsouthern Beerbong State Community College and working as a draftsman at a firm for a few years is good enough for that) and spend longer as an EIT and of course pass the FE exam. I know a Civil Engineer who did exactly this.

Those old apprentice rules and regs from the pre-Stafford Loan era aren't gone. They are still mostly there but nobody uses them. Not many anyways.

 

[HeyYou]

I feel like because it doesn't affect YOU, it would be mox nix whether or not college debt would be taken care of. You meaning people that didn't need to have a college degree to go further in life.

Man, I'm paying back college debt right now and they're pretty lax. There are a shit ton of repayment plans, you can get exempted for a bit depending on your current situation, and quite a few government jobs will waive it if you work for a certain amount of time. I think there should be some changes but it's not usury. 20 somethings also have shitty spending habits. Extremely shitty spending habits.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

The only way out of the student loan problem is to just make all new loans match the whole bankruptcy thing. If there's actually risk to lenders then they won't give loans willy nilly.

 

[Clop]

Sounds like you need to be more humane and rational tbh.

You're right, I'm such a silly ol' crow. From here on out I'm a changed person.

 

[Ashy the Angel]

Well, nobody's perfect.

 

[Equivocal_Iki]

but why do we spend more than half of the yearly budget on the military then?

You're trolling.

 

[RandallB]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bivrnJlaEpk
The system is designed to keep you broke. There's really no other way to explain why there are so many industries devoted solely to ripping off poor people. It's possible to move up, but you have to be smarter than the other poors. You have to resist the urge to take out bank loans for new sneakers.

Of course there's an easy way to explain it: It works to make money.

People don't generally run businesses to support a "system". They do it to make money. The "system" is the consequence, not the cause. The people running the check cashing places aren't doing it for political reasons.

Here is a solution to the college debt issue

There is another option. Outlaw usury like it was outlawed in many European countries for centuries.

Do you remember the "great recession" after the housing bubble burst? Do you remember what fueled it?

It was banks being super scared of giving loans because they just realized they had been miscategorizing the risk levels (The actual cause of the housing crash). The economy immediately ground to a halt. For better or worse, modern capitalism runs on usury. As long as money now is more valuable than money tomorrow it will always exist.

The alternative is that you have to already have the money to do anything. It's easy to see the potential flaws and abuses in such a system.

 

[The Pink Panther]

You're trolling.
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Am I?

I'm talking discretionary spendng, not federal.

And even then, half of the discretionary goes to defense and 15% of the full federal goes to defense. That's a big chunk, unless defense isn't counted in discretionary spending.

 

[RandallB]

Am I?

I'm talking discretionary spendng, not federal.

And even then, half of the discretionary goes to defense and 15% of the full federal goes to defense. That's a big chunk, unless defense isn't counted in discretionary spending.

So half the yearly budget, if we ignore over half of the yearly budget.

I think that's what they call moving the goalposts.

 

[Fapcop]

I saw a lot of reasoned responses and oeoooe, rightfully pointing out, 75% of Americans disagreeing with abolishing ICE. It’s only a fringe leftist group on twatter.

No country would survive with open borders.

The thing is though, the US already pretty much has open borders.

Not going to powerlevel, but I’ve seen beaners IN INS facilities who had gotten “arrested” jumping the fence, and the very next day I saw them in Mexico headed for the border in order to try again.

A border that you can cross at will, on the third or fourth or fifth attempt is by definition an open border.

Same with the “Oh you’re seeking asylum? Come to court in two years, until then you can do what you want” BS.

You know how they deal with that in Europe? They put you in a camp. A camp where you can’t work and can’t go to school. All you can do is sit in that camp, spend your tiny pocket money allowance on cigarettes, and wait to get approved as a refugee. Which often doesn’t happen.

Stuff like that cuts down on the numbers of fake asylum seekers.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Well, nobody's perfect.

Do you seriously want to get rid of ICE or are you just being coy

 

[MW 590]

Do you remember the "great recession" after the housing bubble burst? Do you remember what fueled it?

It was banks being super scared of giving loans because they just realized they had been miscategorizing the risk levels (The actual cause of the housing crash). The economy immediately ground to a halt. For better or worse, modern capitalism runs on usury. As long as money now is more valuable than money tomorrow it will always exist.

The alternative is that you have to already have the money to do anything. It's easy to see the potential flaws and abuses in such a system.

Under a usury free economy, there would still be loans, there just wouldn’t be interest rates. For such a system to work, the banks would have to be nationalized. This would be a form of Keynesian economics.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Under a usury free economy, there would still be loans, there just wouldn’t be interest rates. F

Ah, so like Iran?