Disaster Bernie Sanders suggests he wouldn’t abolish ICE - "BERNIE NOOOO!!!"

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“You need to have protection of our borders and you need people to do that,” the Vermont senator said at the Minnesota State Fair.

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ST. PAUL, Minn. ― Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT.), while campaigning at the Minnesota State Fair on Saturday, suggested he would not abolish U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The 2020 Democratic presidential candidate said he would get rid of ICE raids but declined to say that he would scrap the agency altogether during a live-taping of an interview with MPR News, which hundreds of fairgoers had gathered to watch.

Asked if he agreed with a woman in the crowd who shouted “abolish ICE” during the audience Q&A portion of the interview, Sanders told MPR News host Tom Crann that he would abolish “the current disastrous immigration system.”

“ICE is one small part of that system,” Sanders said. “We have to develop a system. But I will say this: We will abolish the ICE raids, which are terrorizing communities all over this country.”

Crann continued to press the Vermont senator, asking if he sees “a valid purpose for an agency in the federal government like ICE.”

“The first question you asked, do I believe in open borders? No, I do not,” Sanders responded. “So you need to have protection of our borders and you need people to do that.”

Hayley Miller on Twitter

“On whether he supports abolishing ICE: Sanders calls for “abolishing the current disastrous system and ICE raids.” Pressed to answer directly, he notes that he’s not for open borders. “We would need to have protection of our borders and you need people to do that.””

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The question of whether to abolish ICE has become somewhat of a litmus test among 2020 Democratic presidential candidates. Sanders’ comments Saturday mark his strongest statement against shutting down the agency to date.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and Miramar, Florida, Mayor Wayne Messam are the only two 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls who have called for ICE to be abolished.
Sanders has previously called for the restructuring of the immigration enforcement agency and voted against establishing ICE and the Department of Homeland Security when they were proposed over 15 years ago.

“ICE has become a deportation and detention machine,” Sanders said in July 2018. “And I would fundamentally restructure the agency, as well as all the agencies that currently enforce our immigration laws, to create a humane and rational immigration system with independent oversight.”

Watch Sanders’s full interview with MPR News below. His comments about ICE begin around the 30-minute mark.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8OvowCJU-U0

>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SAY WE NEED ICE AFTER I RETWEETED JENNIFER LAWRENCE'S TWEETS ABOUT ICE BEING FASCISTS RUN BY DRUMPFT!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[The Pink Panther]

I'd be all for someone offering to prioritize productive, high-demand degrees over degrees that are functionally fucking useless, I just don't believe a single word that comes out of Bernie's mouth anymore. He's lied too many times for me to care about a damned thing he says, and on top of that we can't just cancel all of the debt outright. We could lower or freeze interest rates to help ease people out of it, but you can't just slam the brakes on $1.6 trillion dollars in debt and expect no economic repercussions.

For this to happen, slowly, one must lower professor's salaries.

Lectures in college are more in-line to be sort of like a one-time paid rather than on payroll, I'd say. I mean it could be a profitable step in the way we treat colleges...but I dunno. The solution to College Debt is such a complex issue...but if only the government lowered military spending or having a big percentage of discretionary spending on military be cut, but I dunno.

 

[Y2K Baby]

WTF, I love deficit spending now.

 

[Sīn the Moon Daddy]

I can't see this doing any harm to Sanders; the woke brigade has long deserted him over one thing or another.

They dropped him at the first opportunity they could. It was actually sad, he's a lying prick but these little Che's running around don't want to give grandpa Bernie credit for starting the gangster shit

 

[The Saltening]

rip bernie 2019

 

[Bugs_Galore]

Bernie announces he won't abolish ICE.

/r/politics on suicide watch.

 

[ForgedBlades]

Imagine going back in time to 2015 or 2016 and telling people that Bernie would be one of the more moderate 2020 candidates.

 

[Unog]

but if only the government lowered military spending or having a big percentage of discretionary spending on military be cut

That's a great fucking joke there man, really had me rollin.

 

[The Pink Panther]

That's a great fucking joke there man, really had me rollin.

what, dude

i'm talking about the government giving funding for companies to produce bombs or stuff like that, don't we have enough of that in our arsenal already, and isn't the likeliness of us getting in a war low if we were to stop intervening, thus there would never be a use for the bombs unless in the most dire of situations?

 

[Unog]

what, dude

i'm talking about the government giving funding for companies to produce bombs or stuff like that, don't we have enough of that in our arsenal already, and isn't the likeliness of us getting in a war low if we were to stop intervening, thus there would never be a use for the bombs unless in the most dire of situations?

Good luck getting literal anyone in office who will cut military funding.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Good luck getting literal anyone in office who will cut military funding.

When I mean military, I don't mean the army or whatnot, I'm talking about cutting part of the military-industrial complex.

 

[Unog]

When I mean military, I don't mean the army or whatnot, I'm talking about cutting part of the military-industrial complex.

Stop, stop, I can't breathe. It's too much. You should go on tour with that act.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Stop, stop, I can't breathe. It's too much. You should go on tour with that act.

but why do we spend more than half of the yearly budget on the military then?

 

[Y2K Baby]

but why do we spend more than half of the yearly budget on the military then?

How the fuck do you complain about the millitary-industrial complex without knowing the answer to this

 

[Unog]

but why do we spend more than half of the yearly budget on the military then?

The real reason?

We didn't fucking listen.

 

[The Pink Panther]

How the fuck do you complain about the millitary-industrial complex without knowing the answer to this

I complain because I feel as if we don't need to spend that much on the creation of bombs or missiles or whatnot. We should have less of those, we shouldn't be constantly lobbying money to companies to make shit for us and for what purpose? I'm as pro-capitalist as anyone and I can see the benefit in the government funding various car companies or computer companies to create our militaristic weapons, but you know...

The real reason?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
We didn't fucking listen.

well that's some deep shit

Is there a way we could turn back? I mean the solution seems so easy...but I feel like it's a process that you gradually get stuck in.

 

[Y2K Baby]

I feel like it's a process that you gradually get stuck in.

We should have less of those, we shouldn't be constantly lobbying money to companies to make shit for us and for what purpose? I'm as pro-capitalist as anyone and I can see the benefit in the government funding various car companies or computer companies to create our militaristic weapons, but you know...

It keeps important parts of the countries afloat. Southern California, and huge chunks of Texas and Florida rely on millitary-based industrial manufacturing.

If it were as simple as greed, some party would have jumped on whining 24/7 about it. But it isn't.

 

[TowinKarz]

I complain because I feel as if we don't need to spend that much on the creation of bombs or missiles or whatnot.

Gross oversimplification.


"Military Spending" includes paying for everything it takes to keep the army going even in peacetime, all those enlisted need food, housing, medical care, pay, uniforms, offices, vehicles, garages, training, schooling, a base and barracks (which has it's OWN associated costs, MPs, APO's, PXs, ETC), storage yards, fuel dumps, etc.

Just to be in a state of readiness, without even firing a shot, costs a LOT of cash.

Reducing the military budget to nothing but the price of explosives and bullets to kill brown people with immediately wounds your argument .

That "whatnot" you poo-poo is just the cost to HAVE an army.

 

[The Pink Panther]

If it were as simple as greed, some party would have jumped on whining 24/7 about it. But it isn't.

I don't think it's greed. I just didn't see the value in the creation of it, but you're right. Certain parts of the states do rely on industrialism as you said, which is pretty much why it's a rabbit hole and not just a simple thing one could get out of by pulling funding.

There would have to be a slow change in the industries that rely on places to make money for it to sustain itself not just on the making of militaristic products. I mean, it's been going on since around World War I, and really started to rise in World War II and it's still here to this day...so it's not going to be that easy to get rid of it or shift it.

 

[HeyYou]

Ashy on suicide watch.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

what, dude

i'm talking about the government giving funding for companies to produce bombs or stuff like that, don't we have enough of that in our arsenal already, and isn't the likeliness of us getting in a war low if we were to stop intervening, thus there would never be a use for the bombs unless in the most dire of situations?

The MIC is one of the biggest employers in the nation, from grunts digging trenches to the suits of engineering firms. Do you know how fucked we'd be if they started missing loan payments?