War Antifa Is Arming Itself Against a Trump Crackdown - Will leftist pro-gun groups deter political violence or inflame it?

Warning: this piece isn't even trying to hide its leftist, pro-Antifa bias.



Liberals are notoriously loath to take their own side in a fight. But their reticence may well be changing in an age of vigilante, white nationalist terror—openly condoned and supported by an incumbent president who has suggested that his armed devotees won’t stand for his removal from office. Increasingly, the antifa left is arguing—and training—in response. They are worried not only about an armed reckoning following a contested election, but also about rising violence from the paramilitaries loyal to President Donald Trump.

Consider the tense political climate in the Pacific Northwest, where Washington state Representative Matt Shea, a dough-faced Christian dominionist from Spokane, made news last year when his instructions on how to build a “holy army” that would kill “all males” who refused to submit to biblical law leaked to the press. “Assassination to remove tyrants is just, not murder,” he wrote. The tyrant he referred to was not Trump, of course, but the communists he imagined running the government. 


Such paranoid fantasies may be familiar to heavy consumers of YouTube and Reddit, but watching them transposed on to the structures of governance is a novelty. As a result, many leftists and even some liberals are beginning to reconsider their feelings about firearms, joining a loose amalgamation of gun groups, from John Brown Gun Clubs (which take their name from the abolitionist) to the Pink Pistols (an LGBTQ group), Liberal Gun Club, and Socialist Rifle Association. Some of these organizations are moderate and traditionalist, others radical and revolutionary. But all share one implicit goal: to normalize firearms ownership and training among liberals. Some of their members hope such efforts will at least make Republicans think twice before attempting a massacre.

Whether that approach will inflame political violence—especially in hot spots like the Pacific Northwest—or deter it remains uncertain. In April, Shea spoke at an “open carry” rally in Olympia, which drewhundreds of people, many armed with AR-15s and shotguns. About ten members of the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club were also there, handing out flyers mocking Shea and another speaker, Joey Gibson of Patriot Prayer, who, they said, “attracted and embraced” rapists, pedophiles, and skinheads. “Want to defend your community from people like Matt Shea?” one flyer asked. At the moment, the Puget Sound JBGC, which was founded less than four months after Trump took office, has around 30 active members. But its firearms safety and marksmanship workshops fill up faster every time the club hosts them. Full members undergo lengthy vetting, but anyone can come learn how guns work, what the parts are, and how to handle them safely, before going to the range and learning to shoot. “We’re talking about white liberals, mostly women, who are like ‘let’s get this class going,’” the club’s founder, Duke Aaron, said. “Two years ago these people would be like ‘Guns? This is terrible.’ That’s not the reaction now.”



these people would be like ‘Guns? This is terrible.’ That’s not the reaction now.”



Trump deserves most of the blame for this particular uptick in gun sales. In March, he told Breitbart, “I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump—I have the tough people … it would be very bad, very bad,” if his followers decided to “play it tough.” In those remarks

Not all threats these days come veiled. Former Trump adviser Roger Stone has used the Proud Boys—a group of neofascist men who describe themselves as “Western chauvinists”—as his own private security force. Border militias have been conducting vigilante operations against suspected undocumented immigrants. (One vigilante told BuzzFeed in April that his group was coordinating with border protection officials on an hourly basis.) And former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, who compared American politics in 2019 to the vitriolic climate just before the Civil War, lent his name to an Italian “gladiator school” for training “culture warriors” to defend Christianity in the West. 


Stories such as these have inspired a predictable response. The Puget Sound JBGC was founded after Aaron spotted hate graffiti in the park where his child plays. “People have some real fear about what the future holds for them, and some real fear about what lurks down the street,” he said. There is some talk of what would happen when Donald Trump or a more competent authoritarian successor bombs urban centers of resistance, like Seattle, but for the most part, these “community defense” groups are less concerned with doomsday scenarios than they are with immediate threats against mosques, synagogues, abortion clinics, and the like.

Unsurprisingly, perhaps, most of their current members are white and male. Many are veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A third of the Socialist Rifle Association’s 2,000 members identify as LGBTQ, and 8 percent are transgender. “We’ve got liberal folks, politicians and people in the media, saying, ‘the government is becoming a fascist regime,’ and then turning around and saying, ‘You can’t have your guns, we can only have guns in the hands of people we’re calling fascists,’” said Alex Tackett, the SRA’s 22-year-old president. 


Of course, for pragmatic as well as public relations purposes, most of these groups insist that they merely want to promote gun safety. The Puget Sound JBGC vigorously rejects the term “militia,” noting that its members are instead merely seeking social justice. “Any police officer who wants to infiltrate us, best of luck; we’re incredibly boring, and everything we do is completely legal,” Aaron said.
 
There's no civic principle attached to weapons to them, and I think they would view imposition of laws as a sacrifice for some nebulous greater good. Also their guns all have either wood stocks or are appropriately vintage, there's no efficient black rifle modern material look. Maybe they think it's other people's guns that will be regulated.

"The government will have the guns, and the government agrees with me, so I don't have to care."
 
Also their guns all have either wood stocks or are appropriately vintage, there's no efficient black rifle modern material look. Maybe they think it's other people's guns that will be regulated.
If I were to ever become president, my first act in office would be to ban fuddshit as a way to ironically fuck over all the Fudds, Zumbos, Shitlib Hipsters and the Ghost of Bill Ruger.
 
"The government will have the guns, and the government agrees with me, so I don't have to care."
A slightly different pronunciation of "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences".

Of course political/corporate consequences don't matter, because when the chips fall the powers that be will always side with me right? Right? Only the people I don't like will fail to have access to redress. Right?
 
You know what, I think it is a cyclical nature to American gun.

The original early 20th century movement to regulate guns was started by the Democrats as a way to keep guns out of the hands of black people and immigrant groups

The movement to keep guns became right-wing with the rise of progressive FDR types.

Guns are bad until you're the guy who's without power.

And the blacks that had guns didn't get fucked over and lynched by the 'billies', they took care of business and were left alone.

A not shitty article about liberal gun owners would be interesting, because gun ownership is heavily stigmatized by people on the left. It's like telling evangelicals you're gay. Pic related, everyday paranoia-
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What idea is that New Yorker cover trying to portray? That hip, young families are mildly surprised when they see a redneck's truck parked at a campground?
 
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Well, at least he knows what an 88' F-150 looks like, I'll give him that.

The rest of it is your typical "Guns are tools of killing, every single one you see is just a time bomb ticking down to the point that it gets used to kill someone, might be YOU, so keep your distance" scaremongering. I mean really, if you believe the typical lefty propaganda, shouldn't the SUV-family having nothing to fear since they're white?
 
Nobody but antifa would win a large scale conflict with civilians because antifa has the largest backing with companies, universities, and infrastructure supporting them. These people if they wind up in trouble will be granted an eays out and maybe even get a job at one of the supporting organizations.

What will happen is that if you defend yourself against antifa, these organizations will punish you and cause you to lose your job, access to credit card, getting doxxed by social media, etc.


If you have nothing to lose someone like Paddock or the New Zealand Shooter would be the archtype to go against them.

But for everyone else, treat antifa like lepers, don't go near them. They're the human equivalent of landmines with babies strapped over them. They want you to touch them
antifa are useful idiots, in the event they become an actual liability the powers that be would abandon them instantly.
 
I know one of these spergs. He's obsessed with Mosin rifles, like they have magic fashbashing powers that your regular deerkiller boomstick lacks.

At least he's got an historical fetish, and not the Dallas Weeb Shooter cosplay mentality, I guess?
 
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you a lost australian perhaps?
Nope those are various American slang terms for anti-2nd gun owners. William Ruger of Sturm Ruger helped fucked over Americans with the various import gun bans cause he [and rest of the fudd U.S. gun companies] didn't like the foreign competition in the mid to late 80ies. Plus his more personal involvement in helping craft Bill Clinton's Assault Weapon Ban. Even after his death his kids, company and the NRA never disavowed what he said or done.
 
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Nope those are various American slang terms for anti-2nd gun owners. William Ruger of Sturm Ruger helped fucked over Americans with the various import gun band cause he [and rest of the fudd U.S. gun companies] didn't like the foreign competition in the mid to late 80ies. Plus his more personal involvement in helping craft Bill Clinton's Assault Weapon Ban. Even after his death his kids, company and the NRA never disavowed what he said or done.
More specifically, "Fudds" are the old dudes who only have guns with wooden furniture and think that's all anyone should need or have and are a detriment to actually conserving the 2nd. To them, nobody needs that newfangled black synthetic shit, and if it gets banned or restricted then oh well. They think all those gun grabbers won't come for the wooden stuff next; that grabbers wouldn't classify the old wooden 30-06 deer rifles they got from their grand pappy as a military sniper rifle that kills children from a mile away. Except they would and have (see the UK and AUS).

Yeah, nobody likes fudds. And more than a few gun owners are waiting for them to fuck off and die and take their "I own guns, but nobody needs that modern stuff" attitudes with them. That attitude is (partly) how shit like Clinton's 1994 AWB got passed.
 
Fudds' attitude got just about every Federal gun control measure pass in the U.S. and the AWB was just the latest one. Fudds also been throwing each other under the bus cause one group doesn't like hunting, shotguns, rifles, pistols, revolvers, and etc. and etc. U.S. fudds are literally doing exactly the same thing their U.K. and Commonwealth brethren had done and think history won't repeat itself again in the U.S.
 
I love the old wooden guns and I don't like a lot of the new plastic ones, but I'll be Goddamned if I let some bunch of fucking bureaucrats tell me I can't have one of the new ones.
 
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you a lost australian perhaps?
Fudd basically has the same negative connotations as boomer and are stereotyped as ones who don't think gun ownership outside of their good ol' .30-06 durr rifles is valid. They've consistently been the useful idiots of gun grabbers in slowly restricting scary assault weapons further. Never heard of zumbos though.
 
What's hilarious and sad about all of this is all of the babble and talk and pundit pontificating, about how America needs an ANTIFA RISE UP moment because, if you listen to these morons and credulous tools and people who are just flat out lying, the mainstream press is in the hands of "ultra right wingers" who are just trying to unfairly make Antifa out to be a terrorist threat and approve of Stormfront and Atomwaffen and such. Imagine believing such nonsense, imagine believing there's a meaningful "right wing media" in the US outside of loose affiliations of grifters.
 
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