War Antifa Is Arming Itself Against a Trump Crackdown - Will leftist pro-gun groups deter political violence or inflame it?

Warning: this piece isn't even trying to hide its leftist, pro-Antifa bias.



Liberals are notoriously loath to take their own side in a fight. But their reticence may well be changing in an age of vigilante, white nationalist terror—openly condoned and supported by an incumbent president who has suggested that his armed devotees won’t stand for his removal from office. Increasingly, the antifa left is arguing—and training—in response. They are worried not only about an armed reckoning following a contested election, but also about rising violence from the paramilitaries loyal to President Donald Trump.

Consider the tense political climate in the Pacific Northwest, where Washington state Representative Matt Shea, a dough-faced Christian dominionist from Spokane, made news last year when his instructions on how to build a “holy army” that would kill “all males” who refused to submit to biblical law leaked to the press. “Assassination to remove tyrants is just, not murder,” he wrote. The tyrant he referred to was not Trump, of course, but the communists he imagined running the government. 


Such paranoid fantasies may be familiar to heavy consumers of YouTube and Reddit, but watching them transposed on to the structures of governance is a novelty. As a result, many leftists and even some liberals are beginning to reconsider their feelings about firearms, joining a loose amalgamation of gun groups, from John Brown Gun Clubs (which take their name from the abolitionist) to the Pink Pistols (an LGBTQ group), Liberal Gun Club, and Socialist Rifle Association. Some of these organizations are moderate and traditionalist, others radical and revolutionary. But all share one implicit goal: to normalize firearms ownership and training among liberals. Some of their members hope such efforts will at least make Republicans think twice before attempting a massacre.

Whether that approach will inflame political violence—especially in hot spots like the Pacific Northwest—or deter it remains uncertain. In April, Shea spoke at an “open carry” rally in Olympia, which drewhundreds of people, many armed with AR-15s and shotguns. About ten members of the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club were also there, handing out flyers mocking Shea and another speaker, Joey Gibson of Patriot Prayer, who, they said, “attracted and embraced” rapists, pedophiles, and skinheads. “Want to defend your community from people like Matt Shea?” one flyer asked. At the moment, the Puget Sound JBGC, which was founded less than four months after Trump took office, has around 30 active members. But its firearms safety and marksmanship workshops fill up faster every time the club hosts them. Full members undergo lengthy vetting, but anyone can come learn how guns work, what the parts are, and how to handle them safely, before going to the range and learning to shoot. “We’re talking about white liberals, mostly women, who are like ‘let’s get this class going,’” the club’s founder, Duke Aaron, said. “Two years ago these people would be like ‘Guns? This is terrible.’ That’s not the reaction now.”



these people would be like ‘Guns? This is terrible.’ That’s not the reaction now.”



Trump deserves most of the blame for this particular uptick in gun sales. In March, he told Breitbart, “I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump—I have the tough people … it would be very bad, very bad,” if his followers decided to “play it tough.” In those remarks

Not all threats these days come veiled. Former Trump adviser Roger Stone has used the Proud Boys—a group of neofascist men who describe themselves as “Western chauvinists”—as his own private security force. Border militias have been conducting vigilante operations against suspected undocumented immigrants. (One vigilante told BuzzFeed in April that his group was coordinating with border protection officials on an hourly basis.) And former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, who compared American politics in 2019 to the vitriolic climate just before the Civil War, lent his name to an Italian “gladiator school” for training “culture warriors” to defend Christianity in the West. 


Stories such as these have inspired a predictable response. The Puget Sound JBGC was founded after Aaron spotted hate graffiti in the park where his child plays. “People have some real fear about what the future holds for them, and some real fear about what lurks down the street,” he said. There is some talk of what would happen when Donald Trump or a more competent authoritarian successor bombs urban centers of resistance, like Seattle, but for the most part, these “community defense” groups are less concerned with doomsday scenarios than they are with immediate threats against mosques, synagogues, abortion clinics, and the like.

Unsurprisingly, perhaps, most of their current members are white and male. Many are veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A third of the Socialist Rifle Association’s 2,000 members identify as LGBTQ, and 8 percent are transgender. “We’ve got liberal folks, politicians and people in the media, saying, ‘the government is becoming a fascist regime,’ and then turning around and saying, ‘You can’t have your guns, we can only have guns in the hands of people we’re calling fascists,’” said Alex Tackett, the SRA’s 22-year-old president. 


Of course, for pragmatic as well as public relations purposes, most of these groups insist that they merely want to promote gun safety. The Puget Sound JBGC vigorously rejects the term “militia,” noting that its members are instead merely seeking social justice. “Any police officer who wants to infiltrate us, best of luck; we’re incredibly boring, and everything we do is completely legal,” Aaron said.
 
Well mosins are cheap, reliable, and they're Russian. Is it possible he put that much thought into it?

To be honest anyone who has a love for a particular gun or line of guns who doesn't shoot many guns regularly at a range or whatever is a poser. It's like kindergartners thinking lamborghinis are the coolest car ever because they play with micro machines. What do you know about cars?

I wonder how many of those types will get Russian surplus ammo because it's "so cool" (and sometimes cheaper) without realizing it's corrosive and they need to do a little soap and water rinse with their cleaning before oiling.
 
I'm not *against* hunting. It just seems like an incredible waste of time and effort. A day spent hunting, plus licenses, travel, and all the silly toys they get, multiplied by the chance of failure, is not as good a way to get meat as working that same day and buying meat that was grown on a farm.

Of course, if you're going to lean out your window and Glock a deer, that makes sense to me. I'm thinking more of the guys who take a big trip to hunt and come home empty handed and filthy.

To each their own.

That is a fair argument, I just can't take people seriously when they yell about how hunters are bad, while buying factory farmed meat from the store, which can be arguably worse. Besides, a number of factors are in play as far as cut and quality of meats goes, but that goes beyond the intended scope of this discussion. I know a few people who live in a rural area where deer and other game are abundant and not far, but I do agree it's kinda silly to shell out thousands for ATVs, tents, magnum rifles in weird, non-military calibers, and other associated items. And you are not wrong, it's estimated that 80% of hunters don't bag a deer on any given trip, or in a year, or whatever. This might be attributed to not knowing how to stalk your prey or simply setting up your tree stand in a bad area.

Again, it depends on the individual and location. But yeah, spending thousands just to fly to the middle of nowhere and come back with nothing does sound a bit silly in any context, but then again, they might be skilled enough to justify the cost. But yeah, as I said, you do you, and don't give in to the uninformed opinions of others.
 
I used to joke that Antifa's excuse for violence was like Jimbo from South Park's excuse to shoot animals, except they have to yell, "It's a Nazi" before they beat someone up.
Now they are actually arming themselves, and the joke doesn't seem as funny anymore. Unfortunately, will it take someone being murdered before the nonsense stops, or will the blame be shifted to "the other side" and continue to grow? This might be less like a civil war, and more like the Hatfields and the McCoys
 
They might think it'll go down like 1917, but it'll be more like 1919 radicalizing the Freikorps to put an end to their stupid shit and eventually bring about an actual Fascist government later.
It kills me that commies still think Luxemburg was an innocent martyr when she was tacitly approving the occupation and attempted shutting down of more centrist newspapers, as well as their attempt to straight up overthrow the democratically elected government, no matter how shitty it was. She was a piece of shit and I feel no sympathy for her like I do for a small amount of far-left people who were murdered for nothing.
 
Aug 17, Portland. Joe Biggs' "rally against domestic terrorism" is the exact response that accelerationists wanted when they cold-cocked Andy Ngo. It's going to be framed by the media as another Charlottesville, and I fully expect a bodycount. Mark your calendar.
I have a feeling police will be out in force for this one and keep everyone separated.
 
What do you suppose they'll do once the explosives start going off?

I'm in downtown Portland every day. These idiots want a Ragnarok. They're out of their minds.
I think if Antifa pop off at the cops, they'll be put down. I'd like to think the mayor knows all eyes will be on Portland. Unless of course he's salivating at the idea of his own Charlottesville to he can try to justify banning the right wing groups or something.
 
I wonder how many of those types will get Russian surplus ammo because it's "so cool" (and sometimes cheaper) without realizing it's corrosive and they need to do a little soap and water rinse with their cleaning before oiling.
Bonus points for buying it from some American chain of surplus stores like a bunch of capitalist tools.
 
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