Has Social Justice supplanted Religion? - Listen and Believe

[Lemmingwise]

Okay but if their position isn't actually just then why even give them that much? Seems overly charitable imo.

I don't understand what you mean by "give them that much"?

 

[The best and greatest]

I don't understand what you mean by "give them that much"?

I could think of worse things to be called than a warrior for justice. It ain't no "Pro-life versus the baby killers" put it that way.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Social Justice, for all its disdain for Christianity, is essentially a sort of anti-Confucianism.

 

[Medicated]

I've seen a lot of people put forth that Social Justice isn't a religion because it's lacking some of the "laws" that make religions what they are. So are they more like a cult? Since the main idea is about pushing forward their viewpoint, and manipulating whoever or whatever nearby to make sure they "win".

 

[Chexxchunk]

Yes, they are basically the same, it's an evolution of a social strategy that has existed since shamanism. Everyone wants something from society and develops a strategy for getting it. Politics are about self-interested "social strategy specialists" acting at odds with each other. However, there are always alliances of convenience, and even more confusingly, it's in everyone's interest to appear like they're acting in someone else's interest as well, so everything is a confusing muddle of constantly shifting "definitions" based on who is trying to get what from whom at any given time.

So, to clear things up, it's more important to talk about core strategies rather than ideologies.

I've heard people say that "left libertarianism doesn't exist", and thought for a long time about what that means and what left libertarianism actually could mean. Spoiler: It doesn't mean anything because it's internally contradictory and deliberately confusing--it's a phantasm created by Priests and Merchants who pretended to act in the interest of Farmers during the industrial revolution, because they both want resources from Farmers, but not on the Farmers' terms.

tldr: various strategy specialists can both actually cooperate or pretend to cooperate while deceiving each other, and that's politics.

 

[Watcher]

It certainly illicits a lot of the same mental hangups that religion does. Like original sin, a form of catholic guilt etc.

It also causes confirmation bias and a refusal to acknowledge the other argument even as a possibility. And provokes a victim "us vs them" mentality toward anyone who disagrees or even just wants to not get involved in the debate.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

When one is part of a religion, ultimately their end goal is to be a good person to go to heaven.


What I don't understand is what is the end game of social justice people?

Social position, specially online. Being regarded as good, caring, woke. There are religious people like this (I know, I'm religious myself). Some straight-forward ask you, after doing a good deed "I'm so good, right?". The reward is being considered virtuous on the eyes of the rest of people.

I've seen a lot of people put forth that Social Justice isn't a religion because it's lacking some of the "laws" that make religions what they are. So are they more like a cult? Since the main idea is about pushing forward their viewpoint, and manipulating whoever or whatever nearby to make sure they "win".

Religions are nothing but ideologies at the end. It is a set of doctrines to rule your life. All ideologies look to be the dominant ideology, either it's religious ideology or politics. Social Justice qualifies, but it goes to the extreme of becoming a cult not for the belief but for the behavior, which is the prominent difference between a religion and a cult. This is a list of behaviors of cults:

The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leaders​

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‪ Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.​

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‪ Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).​

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‪ The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel​

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‪ The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members​

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‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.​

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‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities​

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‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary.​

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‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members.​

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‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.​

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‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.​

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‪ The group is preoccupied with making money.​

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‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.​

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‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.​

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‪ The most loyal members feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.​

How many of these fit with what we've seen among SJWs?

 

[theo102]

I just find it odd in the age of "logic and reason" there seem to be so many people blindly following Social Justice tenets of some type on Twitter, often repeating phrases over and over, like a prayer, as if it's gospel scripture and can't be disputed.

Social justice is a religion because atheism is a religion. Justice at common law is theistic. Atheism is a religion because it involves the belief that deity doesn't exist. Someone with no beliefs about deity (the default position) is agnostic, not an atheist.

 

[I Love Beef]

I really do wonder if many of these people, if they existed in the past, would've been going door to door trying to save peoples souls from hell every sunday.

In honesty the paradigm/subconscious way most brains think have yet to adjust, and you're on the head with this. 100 years ago, many ancestors of today's modern world really were either hardcore or pious yet easy going religious people, the USA without any doubt full blown Christian. I'm not even going into genetics; this straight up still is a major undercurrent in first world society because it's what the founders prior have been weaned on. Society around everyone follows these major instilled paradigms no matter how much denial is spewed.

Today, neckbeards touting atheism and SJWs going on about their virtues like it's a doctrine show those exact ways of thinking haven't left their parent's nor grandparents nor great grandparents perception of reality, processing information, and even better yet, actual internal and spiritual introspection to become self aware and understand how one acts and thinks in life. Despite how better they think they are from "the hicks and sticks in redneck county and the fundies in the ivory towers off of old money and their religious ways", they came exactly from the same source.

 

[Jeremy Galt]

It's easier for most just to parrot the current talking points without any regard for their relationship to reality. Global Warming is a good example. Once reality intruded it quickly morphed to Climate Change. My guess the next iteration will be Global Cooling followed by Global Ice.

Per the Great Prophet, Al Gore, most of our coastal cities and many islands are already under water, as he predicted 10 years ago.

This is the religion of idiots....... and as it turns out, most SJWs are also part of this religion, and by an odd coincidence, so are liberals.
I just say to them what Satan said to Jesus in the desert: Bow down before me and all this will be yours......

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Many atheists would say Social justice isn't technically a religion, because it doesn't have a deity. But, lack of gods aside, it works exactly like a religion in every way.

They even have that weird thing where those guys acting holier than thou are actually are secretly hiding a lot of shit. The equivalent of an adulterer preacher, for them, is the male feminist that is secretly abusive with women.

Only the technicality of not having a god saves them for being classified as a religion or maybe even a cult.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Many atheists would say Social justice isn't technically a religion, because it doesn't have a deity.

Many religions don't have a deity. The term "Atheist religion" actually exists and it's not a contradiction.

The problem with certain atheist groups is that they were never against religion or religious behavior: they were against Christianity. That's why they're so quick to defend Judaism, Islam, and end up being caught up themselves with radical behavior that you could only find among fundamentalism and fanatics.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Many religions don't have a deity. The term "Atheist religion" actually exists and it's not a contradiction.

I don't necessarily disagree.

But, I've to mention many atheists do use the "it isn' a religion if you don't have a deity" defense a lot. Or "calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair color".

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen the dictionary definition used as a defense to deny cult-like behavior being used to deny being like a religion...

 

[silentprincess]

Wokeness makes my blood boil, and be angry. And I don't like getting angry.

 

[The Fool]

I already refer to modern politics as a religion, maybe even a religion replacing classical religions. Christianity is weakening, but that doesn't mean some sort of age of enlightenment, but a new religion is taking it's place. I avoid people who show interest in politics like I avoid mad cultists. And Twitter is their church (compound?)

 

[JosephStalin]

"Wokeness" has taken something inherently good - being considerate of other people and turned it into something evil - allowing "feelings" to replace common sense and consideration of others.

People see this, where "wokeness" has gone overboard. "Get woke, go broke."

But while we're at it, "wokeness" can work in more than one way. One can be "woke" to truly bad things happening in society, and want to do good, but one can also be "woke" to those trying to force their politically correct, Communistic values upon society, which must be defeated. I like to think I'm "woke" to both, in my eyes. Hope you are also "woke" both ways, as well.

Know the difference between right and wrong. Not sure? Your gut will tell you. And never accept ANYONE saying wrong is right. We all have an internal bullshit detector. Use it, trust it, call people on it, act on it if need be. But don't go around trying to tell anyone wrong is right. That isn't being "woke", that's being an insufferable asshole.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Short answer is yes. The only major difference is that instead of a deity, prophet or other focal point of worship the woke worship their subjective interpretation of reality and feel no corresponding fear of their master.

 

[Lemmingwise]

That isn't being "woke", that's being an insufferable asshole.

What's the difference?

 

[Shoggoth]

I've been claiming for years modern wokeness is actually an expression of American puritanism as secular religious hysteria. You seem right on pretty much all counts.

"Wokeness" has taken something inherently good - being considerate of other people and turned it into something evil - allowing "feelings" to replace common sense and consideration of others.

Allow me to bounce off your point a bit here, I don't think wokeness has taken being considerate and turned it evil, I think it works a bit more like an exploit in a computer game, where people dread appearing inconsiderate so they appease. They take advantage of unsafe cultural programming, so to say. And their whole spiel about sensitivity, inclusion, etc, is their in-group shiboleth, which becomes appearant when they show zero sensitivity or understanding towards folks with way less social skills then them, who are very much social animals, and tend to put their food in their mouths and generally be "insensitive". A legitimate challenge to their assumption is this: do they have space in their ideology to be sensitive and accepting towards people who lack sensitivity? Towards people who care less, and maybe even aren't emotionally equipped to deal with all their bullshit? Unless they're taken aback and tell you you're right, they're damn hypocrites just playing social power games.

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

Body count isn’t high enough yet to make it a religion. They need at least one crusade against non-believers, five terror attacks against infidels, or ten staged suicides of vocal dissenters before I’d support the IRS giving them a tax break.