Has Social Justice supplanted Religion? - Listen and Believe

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Comandante Marcos dijo:
@Fagatron, this may be partially due to the intense focus on children and teens in American culture. Dinesh D'Souza, for example, has noted how in much more long lived cultures (such as his own, Hinduist/East Indian, whose roots go back into the mists of ancient time), the healthy, mature, productive adult is at the center of society, but that in America "the whole culture seems oriented around 14 year olds" (paraphrased off my head, but he said something very much like it in one of his books).
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Prior to the 1950's there really wasn't any separate teenage culture in the USA, at least not like there is now. You were either a child, an older child becoming an adult, a young adult or an adult. There wasn't this teenage "limbo" that was separate from childhood and adulthood like we have today. After WW2, for the first time in America's history more families lived in suburban/urban environments than in rural environments and the middle class was booming, so there was suddenly this huge class of young people who had a lot more free time and a lot more spending money than before and so advertisers and marketing people pretty much created the idea of the "teenager" out of thin air mainly to create a new market to sell movies, magazines, fashion etc too.

People talk about how drugs or a decline in religion or single parent families and all this other stuff has really harmed America, while those things surely have created problems I personally believe that the creation of the American teenager and its accompanying culture of arrested development where people reach a plateau of maturity in their late teens and then never advance beyond that, has caused more problems than all of those other things combined.
 
From my own experience with SJWs, their ideology seems to have a quasi-religious vibe to it. In the SJW thread on the Community board, I mentioned a former friend of mine who was a diehard SJW. One thing he told me that stood out was that he really does equate white guilt to original sin. In his words, it was about white people's collective guilt for historical wrongs. He believes this so much that he's okay with minorities and immigrants abusing and humiliating him. The way he described white guilt and social justice had a very religious aspect to it. For example:

White guilt = original sin
Abuse by minorities and immigrants = acts of penance
Marching in protests = acts of faith
Singing at the protests = singing hymns
The Democratic Party platform = catechism

Also, I currently have a co-worker who is similar to this guy. They both fetishize diversity, uncritically support the Democratic Party, and unironically think they're on the "right side of history." If these guys had met me a long time ago, I would have seen eye to eye with them. It makes me feel embarrassed and ashamed that I used to be like that. In a way, it's kind of haunting.
 
I would say that socjus is essentially Talmudic. Basically under a Talmudic order, there are Jews, and there are goyim, and rules that apply to goyim don't necessarily apply to Jews.

To me, the infinite moral obligation claimed by socjus is akin to compound interest. Every socjus narrative is based on the premise that
1. A great wrong was done a long time ago, incurring a great debt
2. This debt is so great it will never be repaid
3. You must repay it anyway
 
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SpEd Kaczynski dijo:
Prior to the 1950's there really wasn't any separate teenage culture in the USA, at least not like there is now. You were either a child, an older child becoming an adult, a young adult or an adult. There wasn't this teenage "limbo" that was separate from childhood and adulthood like we have today. After WW2, for the first time in America's history more families lived in suburban/urban environments than in rural environments and the middle class was booming, so there was suddenly this huge class of young people who had a lot more free time and a lot more spending money than before and so advertisers and marketing people pretty much created the idea of the "teenager" out of thin air mainly to create a new market to sell movies, magazines, fashion etc too.

People talk about how drugs or a decline in religion or single parent families and all this other stuff has really harmed America, while those things surely have created problems I personally believe that the creation of the American teenager and its accompanying culture of arrested development where people reach a plateau of maturity in their late teens and then never advance beyond that, has caused more problems than all of those other things combined.
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Anytime I hear the word "teenager" or especially "teen", all I can think who says that word are markerters trying to sell something to the youth or kids who consume such products while binging on high school movies or some shit.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I've kinda always had a dislike for the word.
 
I dunno, I'm hesitant to pin anything too much on the idea of the teenager causing problems since historically while we haven't had much of a concept of Childhood in the west let alone a teenager some signs that could be attributed to what we would now label a teenager still existed. The Roman Emperor Augustus at one point in his reign, for instance, instituted a tax upon men in their twenties and thirties who were without wife or child because rightly or wrongly in his opinion felt that "the youth" were too lazy and hedonistic and had to be forced to "become men".

He wasn't the first or the last; I remember reading a diary of a middle class woman from the British Regency period (1811-1820) who was polite but nonetheless irked by the situation around her that many of the younger men were "shocking" their parents by whoring around and refusing to settle with a wife of good standing.

Same shit, different century.
 
Your Weird Fetish dijo:
Because they're in your social circle because you're presumably a millenial and not a boomer or gen x housewife.
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No, because the fundies always sought conversion to joining their cause. This meant that most of them were not as extreme into destroying people. SJWs have no concept of redemption, and so if you have ever stepped out of line, you must be ruined.
 
Has there been a thread yet where we outline the tenants of the quasi religion, the beliefs, and such?
I agree that the concept of social justice shares many aspects of a religion, and seeing it written down may make it even more obvious.
 
Fagatron dijo:
I dunno, I'm hesitant to pin anything too much on the idea of the teenager causing problems since historically while we haven't had much of a concept of Childhood in the west let alone a teenager some signs that could be attributed to what we would now label a teenager still existed. The Roman Emperor Augustus at one point in his reign, for instance, instituted a tax upon men in their twenties and thirties who were without wife or child because rightly or wrongly in his opinion felt that "the youth" were too lazy and hedonistic and had to be forced to "become men".

He wasn't the first or the last; I remember reading a diary of a middle class woman from the British Regency period (1811-1820) who was polite but nonetheless irked by the situation around her that many of the younger men were "shocking" their parents by whoring around and refusing to settle with a wife of good standing.

Same shit, different century.
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Yeah, people in their teenage years are always going to have a higher chances of being shits than older more mature people, but I do still think that there is a difference between a 15 year old being a shit because of hormones/inexperience/etc versus a 15 year old being a shit because there is an active youth subculture that he's a member of that encourages shitty behavior.
 
Your Weird Fetish dijo:
The SJW culture is exactly like the culture of their parents just with Christ and televangelists replaced with Marx and Gamergate. This cannot be a coincidence.
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Notice how it's only ex-Christian countries that are feminist/trans-accepting. Bolshevism really is Christianity's bastard child. Or at least Protestantism's.
 
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Fagatron dijo:
Take this with a pinch of salt because I'm getting this as Chinese whispers from someone else who works in education....

Supposedly Moffat's LGBT program is getting pushed so hard and fast is to get around "The Muslim Problem". Religion is a protected quality under the Equality Act 2010 and the government is mostly powerless to move against beliefs that while extreme are perfectly normal within Islam; especially in their epicenters of Bradford, London and Birmingham. The very same places that were trialing and are the only places really pushing Moffat's scheme and similar programes like CHIPs.

It's illegal to criticize Islam's beliefs within UK Schools at the moment; even faith schools of other religious denominations can only say "We believe X", saying "X is a false doctrine" will get them a visit from Karen's legal team. But it's perfectly legal for the only political non-religious characteristic (Veganism has only very recently become a protected characteristic, long after Moffat's program began, and Atheism has been ruled not to be a protected belief back in the Blair era) to present a lifestyle in total opposition to all religions collectively (hence no discrimination/race legislation can be invoked) and directly challenge Waahabist/Salafist doctrine in those three hotspots.

I can see this being a work around the issue of not legally being able to say "You're wrong" to a religion that teaches the government is Satanic and everyone who lives under it deserves death. Do I think it will work? Not really, I think it'll just fan the flames and "confirm" what their parents teach them that Westerners are peverts who need to all die.
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I remember when liberals would challenge Islam but after the Iraq war fuck ups, liberals in the UK and USA have turned to fully embracing Islam in a superficial sense.

Also reminder that Muslim nations did a better job than the nazis in destroying and killing off liberal and leftist movements. To give a non wahabbi example, the mass murder of communists after the Iranian revolution.
 
Logged in just to shitpost as I agree with OPs sentiment.

I'd also add the notion of climate change to this as the fire and brimstone side of it. If a belief or set of beliefs is above criticism and critcism is shot down as a heresy then yeah you have religion. Figured this out as a child when I figured God had to be bullshit. It genuinely concerns me I live in a society full of supposedly educated people deride Christianity and or Judasim but will jump on this shit and uncricitically give Islam a free pass, because opressed or some shit.

Pickle Inspector dijo:
TBH all fits in with the theory of Ernest Becker, humans innately want an ‘immortality project’ to stop them feeling existential dread (What Terror Managment Theory is based on):
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My personal response to this was to simply say fuck it and embrace it. But I suppose that is birthed from a lifetime of being reminded I'm not as special, clever or as important as I believed myself as a child.
 
uncleShitHeel dijo:
My personal response to this was to simply say fuck it and embrace it. But I suppose that is birthed from a lifetime of being reminded I'm not as special, clever or as important as I believed myself as a child.
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I think most people as they grow up learn from experience they’re not special and they have to work hard if they want for example a desirable job in a overcrowded sector but many of these woke social justice warriors seem to come from privileged backrounds and either hit a wall and blame their minority status for not getting their dream job immediately after graduating since they‘re taught to ignore all but the top 10 percent of white men who they compare their success to or if they’re of the stereotypical so called soy boy have a privileged backround and act like all straight cis white men have had an easy life where their parents paid for everything.
 
Pixy Misa dijo:
I don't necessarily disagree.

But, I've to mention many atheists do use the "it isn' a religion if you don't have a deity" defense a lot. Or "calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair color".

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen the dictionary definition used as a defense to deny cult-like behavior being used to deny being like a religion...
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Here's a true horror story, from about 10 years ago when I was very anti-religion and all that:

I sold something to some guy who came to pick it up, and he saw the "Man created God" sticker I had on my car at the time, and was like "Awesome dude, yea, fuck religion."
I was happy we clicked more than anything, until he kept going on, "Yeah, fuck religion so hard, we should start our own AGAINST religion, every Sunday."

And even back then, the red flags were going off, "You'd create a religion to spite religion? You don't see the hypocrisy?"
"But we won't have a God!"

And.... connection lost. It was the start of realizing that either extreme: mega religious, or anti-religious were both pretty fucking stupid.
 
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