Has Social Justice supplanted Religion? - Listen and Believe

[Mr. ShadowCreek]

I'm guessing many SJWS came from religious families. After having the Bible or whatever holy book pushed in their face all their life they fought turning on the values they grew up thinking they're doing what's right. Ironically they become what they hate by following in their parents footsteps just from the other side.

 

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[Queen Elizabeth II]

I'm guessing many SJWS came from religious families. After having the Bible or whatever holy book pushed in their face all their life they fought turning on the values they grew up thinking they're doing what's right. Ironically they become what they hate by following in their parents footsteps just from the other side.

What is the answer though?

I've been on both sides of this, I went through seminary and then went on to volunteer for an European organization similar to the American "Freedom From Religion".

Do we sit quietly while the death cults continue to engage in genital mutilation (both male and female), bomb trains and skyscrapers full of people because "Muh rereigious wights", "Gawdlessness makes you a whore". or whatever feeble excuse they're peddling that week for being cunts?

Nobody listens when you talk, but shit sure isn't getting better when we don't talk. All the silent majority in the Western World has achieved by not being fedoras is it still has two large death cults breathing down their neck (I conceded Islam is the more dangerous of the two, but Christianity is far from done trying to take over the secular sphere in places like Ireland, Italy etc and elsewhere in the world it still holds overwhelming power and influence in the Philippines, South Korea, Uganda etc) and now also has Wokeness competing with the two for instituting increasingly regressive and theocratic measures in whatever orthodoxy they're pushing.

Despite hating Wokeness every bit as much as older religions, I remain convinced that the concept of the supernatural is the single most heinous, depraved and evil thing humanity has ever concocted.

 

[Troonologist PhD]

More of a cult, or an evil religion, rather than a good religion. Religion is supposed to be a healthy thing as opposed to social justice and all its predecessors.

People also constantly get their comparisons wrong. Privilege isn’t original sin. Original sin is, dumbed down, that human nature is bad and humans can’t overcome it. It’s why the belief that we’ll eventually fix everything — Progress — is exceptional. You might as well expect dogs to do calculus. Privilege, on the other hand, is just gaslighting an entire society. A more apt comparison is Cluster-B’s and their victims.

What is the answer though?

I've been on both sides of this, I went through seminary and then went on to volunteer for an European organization similar to the American "Freedom From Religion".

Do we sit quietly while the death cults continue to engage in genital mutilation (both male and female), bomb trains and skyscrapers full of people because "Muh rereigious wights", "Gawdlessness makes you a whore". or whatever feeble excuse they're peddling that week for being cunts?

Nobody listens when you talk, but shit sure isn't getting better when we don't talk. All the silent majority in the Western World has achieved by not being fedoras is it still has two large death cults breathing down their neck (I conceded Islam is the more dangerous of the two, but Christianity is far from done trying to take over the secular sphere in places like Ireland, Italy etc and elsewhere in the world it still holds overwhelming power and influence in the Philippines, South Korea, Uganda etc) and now also has Wokeness competing with the two for instituting increasingly regressive and theocratic measures in whatever orthodoxy they're pushing.

Despite hating Wokeness every bit as much as older religions, I remain convinced that the concept of the supernatural is the single most heinous, depraved and evil thing humanity has ever concocted.

Point to the doll where the bad sky man touched you.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Notice how it's only ex-Christian countries that are feminist/trans-accepting. Bolshevism really is Christianity's bastard child. Or at least Protestantism's.

I would argue Marxism is a descendant of Jacobinism from the French Revolution. After all, Marx developed his theories in a post-Revolution France (actually, the July Revolution of 1830 would be more relevant as it occurred 13 years prior to Marx living in Paris. Also, the Revolutions of 1848 were occurring at the same time Marx published The Communist Manifesto).
Look at the insanity that occurred during the French Revolution and the rise of The Cult of the Supreme Being.
It was very Humanist and overthrew the traditional Catholicism that was part of France's culture for centuries.
I argue that France, if not Europe itself, has never recovered from this.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

More of a cult, or an evil religion, rather than a good religion. Religion is supposed to be a healthy thing as opposed to social justice and all its predecessors.

I'm not looking to go fedora on this; more as a Theology/Divinity grad/post I have to question and think it would be an interesting topic.

Religion isn't meant to be healthy, in the western world at least. It's "Truth", the undeniable objective reality and order of the cosmos. The Abrahamic God not once has ever called anyone to be happy, he "calls" them to be holy. And to be holy is to follow the rules set down by the Lord Absolute right?

I'm sure the comparisons between the divine unquestionable dictatorship and a chosen people vs the learned woke masters and their PoC's isn't lost here.

People also constantly get their comparisons wrong. Privilege isn’t original sin. Original sin is, dumbed down, that human nature is bad and humans can’t overcome it. It’s why the belief that we’ll eventually fix everything — Progress — is exceptional. You might as well expect dogs to do calculus. Privilege, on the other hand, is just gaslighting an entire society. A more apt comparison is Cluster-B’s and their victims.

This one I would concede isn't a consistent point within the movement, but I would say the orthodoxy is that "Whiteness" is unforgivable is the norm.

Not only in historically white societies are we experiencing a call to "de-colonize"; to remove the history of the natives in favour of the dogma of the new religion but in societies where Wokeness has arrived where Whites are a minority such as Brazil there is still cries of "Colorism" and "Internalised Whiteness".

Even in a society where White people don't really exist, Wokeness still calls them out as the ultimate evil to be fought and purged at every possible turn. There is no forgiveness or redemption for it, and no matter what you do you are still a sinner.

Even if you do what Yahweh wants, you're still a sinner and slave to his will. Not unlike White, Jewish and Asian allies of the BLM movement...

Point to the doll where the bad sky man touched you.

It's not him so much, it's his minions who insist I need to get on my knees and put him in my mouth that-

.....Suddenly it doesn't sound half so bad. Which part of Jesus' human body is in the communion bread again? UwU

 

[Troonologist PhD]

I would argue Marxism is a descendant of Jacobinism from the French Revolution. After all, Marx developed his theories in a post-Revolution France (actually, the July Revolution of 1830 would be more relevant as it occurred 13 years prior to Marx living in Paris).
Look at the insanity that occurred during the French Revolution and the rise of The Cult of the Supreme Being.
It was very Humanist that disrupted and overthrew the traditional Catholicism that was part of France's culture for centuries.
I argue that France, if not Europe itself, has never recovered from this.

“Christianity’s bastard child”
This is the most exceptional shit I’ve ever heard. It’s the atheist’s (Marx) answer to Judaism. You’d have to be exceptional to not see this. They even have their own version of gross, lazy, commies with the Ultra-Orthodox. Israel is arguably the only successful Marxist country because they have America to leech off of. They don’t have Marxism in their own country because Marxism is obviously a weapon, not an real philosophy.

I'm not looking to go fedora on this; more as a Theology/Divinity grad/post I have to question and think it would be an interesting topic.

Religion isn't meant to be healthy, in the western world at least. It's "Truth", the undeniable objective reality and order of the cosmos. The Abrahamic God not once has ever called anyone to be happy, he "calls" them to be holy. And to be holy is to follow the rules set down by the Lord Absolute right?

I'm sure the comparisons between the divine unquestionable dictatorship and a chosen people vs the learned woke masters and their PoC's isn't lost here.



This one I would concede isn't a consistent point within the movement, but I would say the orthodoxy is that "Whiteness" is unforgivable is the norm.

Not only in historically white societies are we experiencing a call to "de-colonize"; to remove the history of the natives in favour of the dogma of the new religion but in societies where Wokeness has arrived where Whites are a minority such as Brazil there is still cries of "Colorism" and "Internalised Whiteness".

Even in a society where White people don't really exist, Wokeness still calls them out as the ultimate evil to be fought and purged at every possible turn. There is no forgiveness or redemption for it, and no matter what you do you are still a sinner.

Even if you do what Yahweh wants, you're still a sinner and slave to his will. Not unlike White, Jewish and Asian allies of the BLM movement...



It's not him so much, it's his minions who insist I need to get on my knees and put him in my mouth that-

.....Suddenly it doesn't sound half so bad. Which part of Jesus' human body is in the communion bread again? UwU

Your comparing humans to God.

Where is your evidence that He doesn’t call you to be happy? And what is your definition of happiness anyway? The modern definition of “happiness” mostly seems to be pathetically chasing after fleeting pleasure and be a self-centered hedonist.

“Slave to his will”

That’s your completely retarded take on it. How did what you just wrote strengthen your argument? Humans are always going to keep sinning/doing wrong but after being reborn in Christ one no longer has original sin. It’s like being cured of a drug addiction. In Wokeaism Privilege is immutable. It’s one of the only things that isn’t a “social construct,” which doesn’t mean what they think it means.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

It’s the atheist’s (Marx) answer to Judaism. You’d have to be exceptional to not see this.

THIS.
Marx was not just an atheist, he was a self-loathing Jew.
I would argue that he not only hated Judaism as a religion but as the center of Jewish culture as well.
It's no different from the SJWs.
Many of them come from Christian households and for one reason or another are lashing out against the values and norms of the culture that was upheld by their parents.
This includes how businesses operate, lawmaking, etc.
SJWs are self-loathing, privileged Westerners who wouldn't know true oppression if it hit them with the butt of a rifle.

 

[Syaoran Li]

THIS.
Marx was not just an atheist, he was a self-loathing Jew.
I would argue that he not only hated Judaism as a religion but as the center of Jewish culture as well.
It's no different from the SJWs.
Many of them come from Christian households and for one reason or another are lashing out against the values and norms of the culture that was upheld by their parents.
This includes how businesses operate, lawmaking, etc.
SJWs are self-loathing, privileged Westerners who wouldn't know true oppression if it hit them with the butt of a rifle.

Marx was only half-Jewish by ethnicity and was raised Lutheran, but otherwise you're spot on

Really, Social Justice and Marxism in general is essentially a godless left-wing take on the more austere forms of Protestant moralism and this is especially true of modern SJW's

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

More of a cult, or an evil religion, rather than a good religion. Religion is supposed to be a healthy thing as opposed to social justice and all its predecessors.

People also constantly get their comparisons wrong. Privilege isn’t original sin. Original sin is, dumbed down, that human nature is bad and humans can’t overcome it. It’s why the belief that we’ll eventually fix everything — Progress — is exceptional. You might as well expect dogs to do calculus. Privilege, on the other hand, is just gaslighting an entire society. A more apt comparison is Cluster-B’s and their victims.

Who says Social justice isn't healthy? it gives purpose to them and that in itself is good enough because it's a step above having an unplanned life, at least you have something in mind
Of course these aren't apples to apples comparison, but the comparison between original sin and privilege is close enough that you can justify calling converted

 

[Hux]

Really, Social Justice and Marxism in general is essentially a godless left-wing take on the more austere forms of Protestant moralism and this is especially true of modern SJW's

Then you have to take into account how the loudest proponents of Marxism/leftism/sjwism/whateverthefuckism we have today are Millennials and Millennials are the offspring of the same generation that kick-started the Religious Right and the Satanic Panic. Try as they might to distance themselves from their Boomer fundie parents, this lot learned their dogmatic moralizing killjoy ways from watching them.

To once again bring up Raz0rfist's quote on these people, the Millennial Marxist/Leftist/SJW/Whateverthefuckist ran so hard from their parents that they became them on crack

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Ironically, a Daily Beast (I know, LOL) article in 2015 regarding "AntiRacism" (the cudgel being used right now by SJWs) highlighted the cultish behaviors demonstrated by adherents:

Antiracism, Our Flawed New Religion

Opposition to racism used to be a political stance. Now it has every marking of a religion, with both good and deleterious effects on American society.

www.thedailybeast.com

Antiracism, Our Flawed New Religion

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Among educated Americans especially, Antiracism—it seriously merits capitalization at this point—is now what any naïve, unbiased anthropologist would describe as a new and increasingly dominant religion. It is what we worship, as sincerely and fervently as many worship God and Jesus and, among most Blue State Americans, more so.

The article compares Ta-Nehisi Coates and his essay, "The Case for Reparations," to that of a priest making a sermon to laymen:

Its audience sought not counsel, but proclamation. Coates does not write with this formal intention, but for his readers, he is a preacher. A.O. Scott perfectly demonstrates Coates’s now clerical role in our discourse in saying that his new book is “essential, like water or air”—this is the kind of thing one formerly said of the Greatest Story Ever Told.

One of the more interesting comparisons given is when someone questions the narrative or, in this case, "the doctrine" of the faith:

It is inherent to a religion that one is to accept certain suspensions of disbelief. Certain questions are not to be asked, or if asked, only politely—and the answer one gets, despite being somewhat half-cocked, is to be accepted as doing the job.
“Why is the Bible so self-contradictory?” Well, God works in mysterious ways—what’s key is that you believe. “Why does God allows such terrible things to happen?” Well, because we have free will … and it’s complicated but really, just have faith.

It stops there: beyond this first round, one is to classify the issues as uniquely “complicated.” They are “deep,” one says, looking off into the air for a sec in a reflective mode, implying that thinking about this stuff just always leads to more questions, in an infinitely questing Talmudic exploration one cannot expect to yield an actual conclusion.

Antiracism requires much of the same standpoint. For example, one is not to ask “Why are black people so upset about one white cop killing a black man when black men are at much more danger of being killed by one another?” Or, one might ask this, very politely—upon which the answers are flabby but further questions are unwelcome. A common answer is that black communities do protest black-on-black violence —but anyone knows that the outrage against white cops is much, much vaster.

Why? Is the answer “deep,” perhaps? Charles Blow, at least deigning to take the issue by the horns, answers that the black men are killing one another within a racist “structure.” That doesn’t explain why black activists consider the white cop a more appalling threat to a black man than various black men in his own neighborhood. But to push the point means you just don’t “get” it (you haven’t opened your heart to Jesus, perhaps?). Jamelle Bouie answers that there’s a difference between being killed by a fellow citizen and being killed by a figure of authority, but does that mean “It’s not as bad if we do it to ourselves”? Of course not! … but, but (roll of the eyes) “racist,” “doesn’t get it.”

Translation: "REEEE! Don't question us!!!"

Now, some users in this thread have brought up the idea of SJW Cult having an Original Sin. Lo and Behold, that very thing is discussed:

The Antiracism religion, then, has clergy, creed, and also even a conception of Original Sin. Note the current idea that the enlightened white person is to, I assume regularly (ritually?), “acknowledge” that they possess White Privilege. Classes, seminars, teach-ins are devoted to making whites understand the need for this. Nominally, this acknowledgment of White Privilege is couched as a prelude to activism, but in practice, the acknowledgment itself is treated as the main meal, as I have noted in this space. A typical presentation getting around lately is 11 Things White People Need to Realize About Race, where the purpose of the “acknowledgment” is couched as “moving the conversation forward.” A little vague, no? More conversation? About what? Why not actually say that the purpose is policy and legislation?

Because this isn’t what is actually on the Antiracists’ mind. The call for people to soberly “acknowledge” their White Privilege as a self-standing, totemic act is based on the same justification as acknowledging one’s fundamental sinfulness is as a Christian. One is born marked by original sin; to be white is to be born with the stain of unearned privilege.

The proper response to original sin is to embrace the teachings of Jesus, although one will remain always a sinner nevertheless. The proper response to White Privilege is to embrace the teachings of—well, you can fill in the name or substitute others—with the understanding that you will always harbor the Privilege nevertheless. Note that many embrace the idea of inculcating white kids with their responsibility to acknowledge Privilege from as early an age as possible, in sessions starting as early as elementary school. This, in the Naciremian sense, is Sunday school.

Think of it. A certain class of white person, roughly those who watched 30 Rock and Mad Men, lustily pumps their fists at the writings of a Coates who says that he is surprised that white people—i.e. ones like them—are interested enough in black people and racism to even bother reading his work. Coates is telling these people that they are sinners, in a sense, and they are eagerly drinking in the charge, “revering” him for it. This, ladies and gentlemen, is worship, pure and simple.

In this Cult, "White Devils" is an astute term. In the eyes of SJWs, white people are the "sinners" in need of repentance and must atone for their white privilege. The true believers and the fearful kneel before the "saints" to confess their sin before treading the path of penance. Yet, no real forgiveness is given. The saints will always remember the sins committed against them and will not relent until "justice" served (in whatever form that will be). These sinners are damned to be sacrificed on the Altar of "Virtue."

Throw in Marxist ideology into the mix, then there is a recipe for disaster.
And its not like Communists do not resort to similar devices.
Take Mao's Cultural Revolution for example.
Mao courted the college-age Chinese into the Red Guard after closing schools, colleges, and universities.
Then, he used them to eliminate political rivals and consolidate his power.
The Red Guard was also used to cleanse China of anything, to use a current term, "problematic."
Everything with Western influence was torn down and destroyed, priceless ancient Chinese artifacts were destroyed if Mao did not approve of them, and those who did not accept these changes were publicly humilated at first, then were later outright killed by the end of the decade.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

“Christianity’s bastard child”
This is the most exceptional shit I’ve ever heard. It’s the atheist’s (Marx) answer to Judaism. You’d have to be exceptional to not see this. They even have their own version of gross, lazy, commies with the Ultra-Orthodox. Israel is arguably the only successful Marxist country because they have America to leech off of. They don’t have Marxism in their own country because Marxism is obviously a weapon, not an real philosophy.

All this shows is that you've never actually read Marx, because you would know Marx had a very low opinion of Judaism.

You would also know about Israel's still firm connection with Socialism in their state geoforming programs still on progress from the very foundation of Eretz Israel such as the Kibbutz and associated communal parenting systems across many of them.

They do find it naturally easier to implement that said; sharing ethnic, religious and traumatic history between them there isn't as much internal conflict and open self-interest (against each other) than within other societies.

Your comparing humans to God.

"Man is the Measure of all things"- Protagoras.

If your God is so perfect, he should behave in a superior manner to us, no? I'm sure I don't need to provide you with a litany of all the depraved and dark things Yahweh has ordered/done.

It's kinda awkward to think about the Ultimate Pure Good actually having a higher kill/main/torture count than Satan for one.

Where is your evidence that He doesn’t call you to be happy? And what is your definition of happiness anyway? The modern definition of “happiness” mostly seems to be pathetically chasing after fleeting pleasure and be a self-centered hedonist..

Where is your evidence that he does? You made the assertion freind, back it up with evidence.

But to humor you, I'll oblige with a detailed response. I've held back on some of the detail because I'm not aware of your theological training, but we can go deeper if you'd like.

Spoiler: Theological Sperging

I trust you can remember that Jesus was asked once which commandment of the Law was the greatest. He answered, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. He also said ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these” (Mark 12:30–32; cf. Matthew 22:37–39). In other words, God wants is really quite simple: He wants you. All a Christian's service for God must flow from those two commands, or it is not real service; it is fleshly effort or a "Glittering Sin" as Augustine called it (he gave a detailed explanation why Good and Just non-Christians are still going to hell). And Romans 8:8 says that those who are “in the flesh cannot please God.”

The Christian God wants everyone to trust in His Son as Savior and Lord (Philippians 2:9–11). Second Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord . . . is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” People are told to come to know Jesus through repenting of their sins sin and accepting/submitting to him as a personal sacrifice (Romans 10:9; John 1:12). When Jesus’ disciples asked Him to show them the Father, He replied, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9). God wants everyone to know Him, and everyone can only know Him through Jesus. Unless you're the Virgin Mary of course, then you can be born without sin and get an express pass.

Next, the Christian God wants us to “become conformed to the image of His Son” (Romans 8:29). The Father wants all of His children to be like Jesus. He brings situations into our lives to refine and chip away those flawed characteristics that are in the way of our becoming who He designed someone to be (Hebrews 12:7; James 1:12). As Jesus was obedient to the Father in everything, so the goal of every child of God should be to obey our Heavenly Father (John 8:29). First Peter 1:14–15 says, “As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do.”

Many people, in the Christian view, like the Pharisees in Jesus’ day, try to put the external action before the inner heart change (Luke 11:42). They place all the focus on what they do rather than who they are. But, unless God is their motivation, outward displays of goodness only result in pride and legalism. Neither pleases God. When someone surrenders themself totally to Him, it is judged that his Holy Spirit empowers them to love God fully and serve Him from the right motive. True service and holiness are simply the outworking of the Spirit, the overflowing of a life dedicated to the glory of God. (1 Corinthians 13:1–2).

The prophet Micah responded to the Israelites’ complaint that they didn’t know what God wanted from them. The prophet says, “He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?” (Micah 6:8, ESV).

David understood what God wanted when he prayed, “You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise” (Psalm 51:16–17).

“Slave to his will”

That’s your completely retarded take on it. How did what you just wrote strengthen your argument? Humans are always going to keep sinning/doing wrong but after being reborn in Christ one no longer has original sin. It’s like being cured of a drug addiction. In Wokeaism Privilege is immutable. It’s one of the only things that isn’t a “social construct,” which doesn’t mean what they think it means.

You're called to serve him with unconditional questioning. It doesn't matter if you call it submission, serfdom or a participant in mandatory lifelong community service. You're a slave.
But if you knew anything about Christianity, you would know that the image of being a "Slave to God" is encouraged.

Spoiler: Why being a Slave makes you a Good Christian

Normally, the idea of being a “slave” is not all that desirable. We are not as familiar with slavery in our day and age, but it is real and has caused extreme damage throughout the history of our world in many cultures and at many times. The worst part about slavery is the cruelty with which the slaves are treated. They are treated as objects and property which is completely contrary to their human dignity.

But imagine the scenario where a person is a slave to one who loves him perfectly and has as his primary mission to help that “slave” realize his true potential and fulfillment in life. In this case, the master would “command” the slave to embrace love and happiness and would never violate his human dignity.

This is the way it is with God. We should never fear the idea of being a slave of God. Though this language may carry baggage from abuses of human dignity of the past, slavery to God should be our goal. Why? Because God is the one we should want as our master. In fact, we should desire God as our master even more than we desire to be our own master. God will treat us better than we treat ourselves! He will dictate to us a perfect life of holiness and happiness and we will be humbly submissive to His divine will. And what’s more, He will give us the necessary means to achieve all that He dictates to us if we let Him. Being a “slave of God” is a good thing and should be our goal in life.

You're misconstruing Original Sin as well. Original Sin is an imperfection that becomes tolerated, not fixed, via Baptism. After all, were that the case a baptized person shouldn't be able to infect their offspring with it but of course they always do. God could choose to accept you or love you automatically as he did with the Virgin Mary; but chooses to blame you for a crime (quite a minor one as well) committed generations ago that you as a child probably weren't even aware took place.

I'm not sure why someone like yourself dislikes the Woke, you actually have far more in common with them than many other posters in this thread.