Trump addresses government shutdown and border security


"Some have suggested a barrier is immoral. Then why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences, and gates around their homes? They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."

build wall :wall:

I think I need to actually post an article as well so here's some shit from WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-addresses-nation-on-border-wall-as-shutdown-drags-on-11546999648
WASHINGTON—President Trump in a prime-time address Tuesday said a wall along the southern border is key to national security, as he called for lawmakers to fund it and end a partial government shutdown that is days away from becoming the longest in U.S. history.

In the televised address from the Oval Office, Mr. Trump’s first in his nearly two years as president, he said a barrier is necessary to prevent the movement of illegal drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border, and he shared stories of human trafficking.

“This is a humanitarian crisis—a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul,” said Mr. Trump, sitting at the Resolute Desk. “This is the cycle of human suffering that I am determined to end.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic congressional leaders, issued an immediate televised response to the president, rejecting the idea of a wall as unnecessary.

“President Trump must stop holding the American people hostage, must stop manufacturing a crisis, and must reopen the government,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

Mr. Schumer said Democrats are united with the president on the need for stronger border security, but said: “We sharply disagree with the president about the most effective way to do it.”

Earlier Tuesday, Senate Democrats blocked the chamber from considering bipartisan foreign-policy legislation in a bid to pressure Republicans to end the government shutdown, which was in its 18th day. That move, combined with Mr. Trump’s address, suggested that neither side was prepared to cede ground over wall funding.

Mr. Trump and congressional leadership from both parties are scheduled to meet and discuss the issue Wednesday at the White House, after the president attends a lunch with Senate Republicans on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Trump’s address was part of a ramped-up effort by the White House this week to sway public opinion in favor of a border wall, a core issue for Mr. Trump’s political base but one that is broadly unpopular. On Thursday, the Republican president is set to travel to the border to highlight the issue in person.

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in September, ahead of midterm elections, showed 29% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate calling for a wall, while 55% said they would be less likely to do so.

In his address, Mr. Trump didn’t declare a national emergency over border security—a move he publicly contemplated in recent days—in which he would seek to divert funds from elsewhere in the government to fund the wall. Such a declaration would bring swift legal challenges, and it is unclear in that scenario where the funds would come from.

Instead, the speech was aimed at explaining the president’s rationale for why he viewed the U.S.-Mexico border as in a state of crisis.

Mr. Trump has said he wouldn’t sign any bill ending the shutdown that doesn’t allocate money for hundreds of miles of a border wall.

Earlier Tuesday evening, Senate Democrats prevented the chamber from moving to consider a package of bills aimed at boosting security assistance for Israel and other Middle Eastern policy provisions. Republicans hold 53 seats in the Senate, where most bills need 60 votes to clear procedural hurdles.

Some Democrats have said they would block all legislation until the government is reopened, though Mr. Schumer hasn’t gone that far.

“The first business of the Senate should be to reopen the government,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D., Va.), noting that he had co-sponsored one of the bills related to Israel. “As passionate as I have been for the security of the nation of Israel, I’m every bit as passionate about the security of the United States.”

The president’s apparent backing off on declaring an emergency comes after lawmakers in both parties indicated they wouldn’t support such a move. Rep. Mac Thornberry of Texas, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, said Tuesday that he opposes using an emergency declaration to build a wall using military funds.

President Trump and prominent Democrats met Friday to discuss ending the government shutdown, which the president had claimed responsibility to further the cause border security. The talks were described by the president as productive, but the Democrats disagreed. Photo: AP
“In short, I’m opposed to using defense dollars for nondefense purposes,” he said.

Senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway said in a Fox News interview Monday that the White House Counsel’s Office was exploring the legal implications of declaring a national emergency, but said doing so would “let Congress off the hook.”

In preparation for Tuesday’s speech, White House officials were underscoring the importance of internally fact-checking any numbers and statistics, after the president and his aides have repeatedly mischaracterized immigration-related figures in recent weeks. “It’s really important we get this right,” one senior White House official said.

The president has made points about problems with drugs and human trafficking at the border publicly in the past week. Last week, he told cabinet members that 300 people in the U.S. die each day from overdoses of heroin, “the vast majority of which comes across through our southern border.” The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the epidemic of daily opioid deaths is 130.

Mr. Trump also has said 20,000 children were smuggled into the U.S. last month. There were 25,000 families apprehended at the border in November, according to the most recent data available from U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

During closed-door negotiations on reopening the government, Mrs. Pelosi has disputed some White House aides’ statistics about the border. On Sunday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was challenged on Fox News for saying 4,000 known or suspected terrorists have been apprehended coming into the country.

“Do you know where those 4,000 people come, where they are captured?” Chris Wallace, the host of “Fox News Sunday,” told Ms. Sanders. “Airports … the State Department says there hasn’t been any terrorists found coming across the southern border.” Mr. Wallace was referring to data from the Department of Homeland Security.

Ms. Conway, in the Fox News interview, said that statistic “got unfortunately conflated by a colleague” and acknowledged that the nearly 4,000 terrorists or terror suspects apprehended in fiscal year 2017 hadn’t sought to enter the U.S. through the southern border.

The administration has sought in recent days to blunt the impact of the shutdown, buying time as negotiations with Congress continue. On Monday, the Trump administration said the Internal Revenue Service would pay tax refunds even though the agency is closed, reversing a longstanding policy.

About 420,000 employees deemed essential are working without pay, while another 380,000 federal employees have been placed on unpaid leave. The shutdown became the second-longest on record Monday. By Saturday, if the government hasn’t reopened, the shutdown will become the longest in U.S. history.
 
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Fair enough. Although I think the money argument has been drummed up into kind of a red herring given how much other crap we routinely waste billions on annually. I wish the talking heads would talk more about this shutdown since it's already cost like 5 times as much money as the wall would and will only continue to cost more, but shutdowns are one of those things both parties can agree on how to deal with, since they're both playing chicken and claiming it's only the other guy at fault.
See I get why Trump is willing to waste money on the shutdown, it's a campaign promise, and he'll justify any expense in not making it his Guantanomo Bay promise. Meanwhile for the democrats this is becoming their price tag on how much money are they willing to spend to keep the border crisis going.
 
Now, for the seemingly endless intellectual refuge of "airplane trips and overstayed visas", such things leave a paper trail which usually leads to perpetrators getting caught.
pretty much.
Most Illegals that I knew came to the US not by plane, but by crossing the border by themselves or with help by the lobos or coyotes -I forget what they're called.
Illegals spics don't have that luxury of buying a plane ticked to America and the Mexican government doesn't allow anyone to just get a visa, so where is this argument of overstayed visas coming from?
 
I will give you something better: moon colonies and genetically engineered unicorns.

Okay, maybe the moon colonies first, but we could theoretically splice either narwhal or rhinoceros genes into a horse and see what happens.

Vote Dr. W 2020, because why the fuck not trust some douchebag on the Farms.

Will trade vote for IRL unicorn

Tbh the fake Labour policy of giving everyone a free owl was actually a better vote winner than their actual policies at that time
 
Anytime some smug asshole that wants to abolish ICE tries to clap back with something clever about American born killers or the like the response is easy.

"Sounds like we don't need to import more murderers, right?"
 
I'm not saying that illegal immigration shouldn't be combated. I actually agree that the United States should have a stronger, but fair system of how immigration is handled. I disagree with how Trump is going through with it because it's a bandage for a much bigger problem that has been around for years and could even worsen the situation.

This merely comes across to me as "don't warn women to be cautious, just teach rapists not to rape" or "don't make security devices, just teach thieves not to steal".

What do you propose, the US handing out billions in aid for free to Mexico to fix their country, and then expect them to actually spend it on helping their own people, when most people know the country is run by cartels? What planet did you just come from?

Maybe the US should invade, Mexico, annex them to fix their country, oh and then they'll have to annex most of South America, because thats were these border crossers are coming from too.

At some point, you have to go, "this is an independent nation with its own population, we have a border, are rules of entry, you can't just walk in, and to show you we are serious, there's a big fucking wall here"
 
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Q13 FOX Allegedly Aired Doctored Video of Trump To Its Viewers

>Seattle news station Q13 FOX was caught broadcasting a doctored version of President Trump’s border speech on Wednesday during which the video was manipulated to show Trump sticking out his tongue and making him look stupid.

>The clip, which was aired live on Tuesday night, shows Trump finishing a sentence before appearing to stick out his tongue for an elongated amount of time. The video then cuts to a generic station ID screen.

>The intent of the video is clearly to make President Trump look ridiculous.

>Q13 FOX responded to the controversy by releasing a statement saying that the individual responsible for the stunt has been placed on leave pending an internal investigation.

 
Q13 FOX Allegedly Aired Doctored Video of Trump To Its Viewers

>Seattle news station Q13 FOX was caught broadcasting a doctored version of President Trump’s border speech on Wednesday during which the video was manipulated to show Trump sticking out his tongue and making him look stupid.

>The clip, which was aired live on Tuesday night, shows Trump finishing a sentence before appearing to stick out his tongue for an elongated amount of time. The video then cuts to a generic station ID screen.

>The intent of the video is clearly to make President Trump look ridiculous.

>Q13 FOX responded to the controversy by releasing a statement saying that the individual responsible for the stunt has been placed on leave pending an internal investigation.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UZLs11uSg-A
*Looks at thumbnail*

Yeah no that shit's fake as fuck.
 
*Looks at thumbnail*

Yeah no that shit's fake as fuck.

Now imagine there's some guy whos a TV studio technician that took the time to put this together, and apparently risked his livelyhood and possibly his future job prospects on making the President look stupid on TV. I just can't fathom how anyone would be "yeah this is a good idea for a prank, totally will not backfire on me at all".
 
CatParty we all know you like your one-sentence hot takes that no one else ever thought of before. But at some point you have to start thinking about the fact that all of America has accepted as fact for many decades that all politicians make bullshit promises regardless of who we vote for, including Trump's modern opponents. So "but Trump said Mexico would pay for it" isn't a motivating argument to millions of people who still like what Trump is doing better than what they would get from the democrats. No matter how many times over two years and change now it has been said to us as though it must be the first time we're hearing it.

Yeah, yeah, honeypot.gif, I know.
Heres the thing about mexico, they arent retarded enought to give a 5 billion check to donald, but they are pretty dumb
So what do you do when you want to get money from them? Easy, you fuck them over with other things while also pretending they are in control
A little tax here, a little cartel sting operation over there, you get a cut from every illegal that sends money over to mexico, you make companys start manufactering products here instead of in mexico, you start offering better deals for your american products than those found in mexico, etc
You just need to get creative and pretend they have any power (they really dont, they need us more than we need them)
 
This merely comes across to me as "don't warn women to be cautious, just teach rapists not to rape" or "don't make security devices, just teach thieves not to steal".

What do you propose, the US handing out billions in aid for free to Mexico to fix their country, and then expect them to actually spend it on helping their own people, when most people know the country is run by cartels? What planet did you just come from?

Maybe the US should invade, Mexico, annex them to fix their country, oh and then they'll have to annex most of South America, because thats were these border crossers are coming from too.

At some point, you have to go, "this is an independent nation with its own population, we have a border, are rules of entry, you can't just walk in, and to show you we are serious, there's a big fucking wall here"
There is no good reason we couldn't secure the border and make the actual legal immigration system more logical and streamlined. Work visas are overrepresented and diversity lotteries are crap. Do we want quality new citizens or non-speaking drones and suicide bombers?
 
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Am I seriously the only person who remembers him implicitly stating that he was going to make Mexico "pay" for the wall via trade deals while he was on the campaign trail?
 
The wall will pay for itself several times over in the form of holding back illegal immigrants who use welfare, strain our already overstretched infrastructure, etc. Illegal immigration is very expensive for the host country.
 
Please offer me some more points from the anti wall side.
Visa overstays make up the majority of illegal immigration nowadays.
Now, for the seemingly endless intellectual refuge of "airplane trips and overstayed visas", such things leave a paper trail which usually leads to perpetrators getting caught.
Usually? No, they almost always just vanish into the US. Like in 2015, they only bothered to investigate 10k (out of 480k) overstays and only caught 2k of them.
CatParty we all know you like your one-sentence hot takes that no one else ever thought of before. But at some point you have to start thinking about the fact that all of America has accepted as fact for many decades that all politicians make bullshit promises regardless of who we vote for, including Trump's modern opponents. So "but Trump said Mexico would pay for it" isn't a motivating argument to millions of people who still like what Trump is doing better than what they would get from the democrats. No matter how many times over two years and change now it has been said to us as though it must be the first time we're hearing it.

Yeah, yeah, honeypot.gif, I know.
Trump is supposed to be the non-politician though. Whether or not that's a realistic outcome, I think it's fair to criticize Trump who sells himself as draining the swamp and not being a typical politician, going on to do politician-ey things.

Like I was kind of annoyed with his muslim ban. Not the idea, I love the idea, but that he exempted Saudi Arabia. I know it's a bad idea to fuck around with Saudi Arabia unnecessarily (because of the petrodollar and things like that), but really, if you're going to do a muslim ban, you do it right. Otherwise don't even bother.
Anytime some smug asshole that wants to abolish ICE tries to clap back with something clever about American born killers or the like the response is easy.

"Sounds like we don't need to import more murderers, right?"
Well, then they just say you're racist against one subgroup of murderers. It's like people blubbering about US slavery and sweeping muslim and African slavery under the rug.
pretty much.
Most Illegals that I knew came to the US not by plane, but by crossing the border by themselves or with help by the lobos or coyotes -I forget what they're called.
Illegals spics don't have that luxury of buying a plane ticked to America and the Mexican government doesn't allow anyone to just get a visa, so where is this argument of overstayed visas coming from?
No, factually speaking that's the biggest source of illegals in the US.
 
Usually? No, they almost always just vanish into the US. Like in 2015, they only bothered to investigate 10k (out of 480k) overstays and only caught 2k of them.
Even assuming that that's true, 2015 is not 2019, and unless you have figures about how the Trump administration is slacking off on catching overstayed visas, I'm gonna go off on a limb and say those stats you pulled are irrelevant.
 
Even assuming that that's true, 2015 is not 2019, and unless you have figures about how the Trump administration is slacking off on catching overstayed visas, I'm gonna go off on a limb and say those stats you pulled are irrelevant.
Perhaps less accurate nowadays, but certainly not irrelevant. The fundamental limitation is resources. Even if Trump has doubled their budget and thus the number of investigations they pursued, that's still an abysmally low rate.

What's frustrating is that the DHS is supposed to publish this report annually, but as you can see, they've been slacking.

If we're going to argue about whether or not the wall is factually a good idea (as opposed to just a symbolic gesture), we need these numbers. The Trump administration has not been any more transparent about this stuff than the Obama administration.
 
yes, all those illeterate spics, some who don't even speak spanish, but rather their native injun tongue can somehow get approved for a Visa and afford a plane ticket to America.
There's more people from other countries coming in than the spics. Including people from shitholes like northern Africa and the middle east.
 
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