Trump addresses government shutdown and border security


"Some have suggested a barrier is immoral. Then why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences, and gates around their homes? They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."

build wall :wall:

I think I need to actually post an article as well so here's some shit from WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-addresses-nation-on-border-wall-as-shutdown-drags-on-11546999648
WASHINGTON—President Trump in a prime-time address Tuesday said a wall along the southern border is key to national security, as he called for lawmakers to fund it and end a partial government shutdown that is days away from becoming the longest in U.S. history.

In the televised address from the Oval Office, Mr. Trump’s first in his nearly two years as president, he said a barrier is necessary to prevent the movement of illegal drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border, and he shared stories of human trafficking.

“This is a humanitarian crisis—a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul,” said Mr. Trump, sitting at the Resolute Desk. “This is the cycle of human suffering that I am determined to end.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic congressional leaders, issued an immediate televised response to the president, rejecting the idea of a wall as unnecessary.

“President Trump must stop holding the American people hostage, must stop manufacturing a crisis, and must reopen the government,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

Mr. Schumer said Democrats are united with the president on the need for stronger border security, but said: “We sharply disagree with the president about the most effective way to do it.”

Earlier Tuesday, Senate Democrats blocked the chamber from considering bipartisan foreign-policy legislation in a bid to pressure Republicans to end the government shutdown, which was in its 18th day. That move, combined with Mr. Trump’s address, suggested that neither side was prepared to cede ground over wall funding.

Mr. Trump and congressional leadership from both parties are scheduled to meet and discuss the issue Wednesday at the White House, after the president attends a lunch with Senate Republicans on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Trump’s address was part of a ramped-up effort by the White House this week to sway public opinion in favor of a border wall, a core issue for Mr. Trump’s political base but one that is broadly unpopular. On Thursday, the Republican president is set to travel to the border to highlight the issue in person.

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in September, ahead of midterm elections, showed 29% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate calling for a wall, while 55% said they would be less likely to do so.

In his address, Mr. Trump didn’t declare a national emergency over border security—a move he publicly contemplated in recent days—in which he would seek to divert funds from elsewhere in the government to fund the wall. Such a declaration would bring swift legal challenges, and it is unclear in that scenario where the funds would come from.

Instead, the speech was aimed at explaining the president’s rationale for why he viewed the U.S.-Mexico border as in a state of crisis.

Mr. Trump has said he wouldn’t sign any bill ending the shutdown that doesn’t allocate money for hundreds of miles of a border wall.

Earlier Tuesday evening, Senate Democrats prevented the chamber from moving to consider a package of bills aimed at boosting security assistance for Israel and other Middle Eastern policy provisions. Republicans hold 53 seats in the Senate, where most bills need 60 votes to clear procedural hurdles.

Some Democrats have said they would block all legislation until the government is reopened, though Mr. Schumer hasn’t gone that far.

“The first business of the Senate should be to reopen the government,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D., Va.), noting that he had co-sponsored one of the bills related to Israel. “As passionate as I have been for the security of the nation of Israel, I’m every bit as passionate about the security of the United States.”

The president’s apparent backing off on declaring an emergency comes after lawmakers in both parties indicated they wouldn’t support such a move. Rep. Mac Thornberry of Texas, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, said Tuesday that he opposes using an emergency declaration to build a wall using military funds.

President Trump and prominent Democrats met Friday to discuss ending the government shutdown, which the president had claimed responsibility to further the cause border security. The talks were described by the president as productive, but the Democrats disagreed. Photo: AP
“In short, I’m opposed to using defense dollars for nondefense purposes,” he said.

Senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway said in a Fox News interview Monday that the White House Counsel’s Office was exploring the legal implications of declaring a national emergency, but said doing so would “let Congress off the hook.”

In preparation for Tuesday’s speech, White House officials were underscoring the importance of internally fact-checking any numbers and statistics, after the president and his aides have repeatedly mischaracterized immigration-related figures in recent weeks. “It’s really important we get this right,” one senior White House official said.

The president has made points about problems with drugs and human trafficking at the border publicly in the past week. Last week, he told cabinet members that 300 people in the U.S. die each day from overdoses of heroin, “the vast majority of which comes across through our southern border.” The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the epidemic of daily opioid deaths is 130.

Mr. Trump also has said 20,000 children were smuggled into the U.S. last month. There were 25,000 families apprehended at the border in November, according to the most recent data available from U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

During closed-door negotiations on reopening the government, Mrs. Pelosi has disputed some White House aides’ statistics about the border. On Sunday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was challenged on Fox News for saying 4,000 known or suspected terrorists have been apprehended coming into the country.

“Do you know where those 4,000 people come, where they are captured?” Chris Wallace, the host of “Fox News Sunday,” told Ms. Sanders. “Airports … the State Department says there hasn’t been any terrorists found coming across the southern border.” Mr. Wallace was referring to data from the Department of Homeland Security.

Ms. Conway, in the Fox News interview, said that statistic “got unfortunately conflated by a colleague” and acknowledged that the nearly 4,000 terrorists or terror suspects apprehended in fiscal year 2017 hadn’t sought to enter the U.S. through the southern border.

The administration has sought in recent days to blunt the impact of the shutdown, buying time as negotiations with Congress continue. On Monday, the Trump administration said the Internal Revenue Service would pay tax refunds even though the agency is closed, reversing a longstanding policy.

About 420,000 employees deemed essential are working without pay, while another 380,000 federal employees have been placed on unpaid leave. The shutdown became the second-longest on record Monday. By Saturday, if the government hasn’t reopened, the shutdown will become the longest in U.S. history.
 
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You shouldn't buy into that because they all sell themselves that way. Trump is the guy for middle america who tells it like it is. Obama was "yes we can" and the first black president. Bush was the down-home boy you could have a beer with. Clinton was the real first black president, and so on. Every candidate is the washington outsider who is finally going to shake things up, every 4 years. It's no different than hollywood telling you this sequel will be darker and edgier every year.
Trump, at least, could genuinely make the argument that he'd had minimal involvement with politics before compared to career politicians. It's still marketing, but it's not TOTAL bullshit in this case.
 
I retract my original statement then. I thought most of everybody on this site bagged on her for her lack of experience as a politician. Hell, most of everybody on this thread has decent ideas of this immigration problem than current politicians.
Maybe some will criticize her for no experience, but it really is the insane ideas such as getting the US off of fossil in 12 years. At least that's what people should be making fun of her for. There's more than enough material.
 
Trump, at least, could genuinely make the argument that he'd had minimal involvement with politics before compared to career politicians. It's still marketing, but it's not TOTAL bullshit in this case.
He was strongly tied to the political class until recent years. He can only legitimately claim to be an outsider in that he burned every bridge he had by running as a Republican instead of a Democrat.
 
Maybe some will criticize her for no experience, but it really is the insane ideas such as getting the US off of fossil in 12 years. At least that's what people should be making fun of her for. There's more than enough material.
The other fatal flaw of the green new deal (lol) is that it would lead to a massive increase in enviromentally destructive strip mining for lithium, nickel, and cadmium, and leave us completely dependent on China and Russia for increased imports of rare earth metals. The plan is literally impossible, and abandoning the wealth we generate as the largest producer of fossil fuels is only one of the dumbest things about it.
 
One thing I'm curious to hear people's opinions on: let's say the wall gets built, and serves Trump's stated purpose of minimizing the drug traffic that comes here from Mexico. How do you think that impacts the bloom of a domestic hard drug manufacturing base?
Trumps just bringing jobs back to America, obviously. Good old manufacturing jobs in the Rust belt, like the good old days when the Boomers were 30.
 
One thing I'm curious to hear people's opinions on: let's say the wall gets built, and serves Trump's stated purpose of minimizing the drug traffic that comes here from Mexico. How do you think that impacts the bloom of a domestic hard drug manufacturing base?
Very positively. Which is probably a good thing. Non-Central and South Americans tend to shit in their own backyard a lot less. The Mafia and Yakuza and etc are all a lot tamer than the cartels. I for one can't wait to buy Heisenberg brand meth.
 
Very positively. Which is probably a good thing. Non-Central and South Americans tend to shit in their own backyard a lot less. The Mafia and Yakuza and etc are all a lot tamer than the cartels. I for one can't wait to buy Heisenberg brand meth.
I'm curious how it would impact police culture and the relationship law enforcement has with the public in the long run. And how it would impact the legality of drugs in general.
 
One thing I'm curious to hear people's opinions on: let's say the wall gets built, and serves Trump's stated purpose of minimizing the drug traffic that comes here from Mexico. How do you think that impacts the bloom of a domestic hard drug manufacturing base?
Part of the reason the opioid epidemic is raging is that Mexican cartel supplied street heroin, cut with Chinese fentanyl, is soo damn cheap now, cheaper than midgrade weed in some areas. Teenagers and college kids are getting into it years after most sources of easy to obtain Prescription painkillers have mostly dried up, so the claim that prescription drug abuse is fueling the crisis is really no longer valid. It was 10-12 years ago, but not now.

A bunch of other popular party drugs, eg, X or Molly, or commonly abused in demand benzos like Xanax and Klonopin being sold by shady street vendors are actually fakes made by Cartels with a pill press out of Fentanyl or god knows what research chemical and binders because they're cheaper to make than getting the real thing stolen or diverted from the legitimate pharmaceutical supply chain. Hundreds of teenagers and college kids have overdosed on these fake pills, one notable example was Chase Bolling, The son of Ex fox news host Eric Bolling.

The problem with Heroin is price. It's a habit that someone with a low to middle class income can sustain now. Most start by snorting or smoking it, and then move on to IV use as their tolerance builds. A disruption in the supply causing prices to rise would probably get some younger and beginner users to think twice about it. Hardcore junkies and those that started on prescription painkillers 10+ years ago are probably too far gone already, if they aren't already dead.
Fentanyl and Carfentanyl (the USSR, and later the Chinese People's Liberation Army developed Carfentanyl into a chemical weapon and crowd control agent, read up on the Moscow Theater Hostage crisis for how well that worked out in a real life use situation, lol) would not be easy to produce clandestinely in the USA. The precursors are tightly controlled and it takes a professional quality pharmaceutical lab on an industrial scale to produce it, hence why most of it is being made by Chinese Pharmaceutical firms and shipped in via the Cartels and the US mail. Even the most sophisticated US meth labs couldn't easily do it. Opium poppies do grow in our climate, but poppy farms are labor intensive and much harder to hide than marijuana grows or meth labs, and opium resin must be harvested by hand and processed into heroin. This works in Afghanistan or bumfuck Mexico where the rule of law is nonexistant and labor is dirt cheap/free, not so much here. People would rather grow weed.
Heroin has always been an imported drug, in the 60's and 70's most of it came from Morocco and North Africa via France and Italy. Heroin was an epidemic in the late 60's through late 70's and we were able to stop it, mostly by the FBI and federal prosecutors taking the gloves off and systematically breaking the back of the American Mafia beginning in the late 70's through the 80s. At the time, the Mafia tried to hide their culpability behind pressure groups screaming about anti-Italian racism, the same way Mexican cartel connected open borders groups Like LA Raza and Pueblas Sin Fronteras do today. It didn't work then, and it shouldn't work now. This has all happened before, only last time, we weren't quite as woke and identity politics obsessed as we are now.
 
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The other fatal flaw of the green new deal (lol) is that it would lead to a massive increase in enviromentally destructive strip mining for lithium, nickel, and cadmium, and leave us completely dependent on China and Russia for increased imports of rare earth metals. The plan is literally impossible, and abandoning the wealth we generate as the largest producer of fossil fuels is only one of the dumbest things about it.
That makes me think. Perhaps American interests would have been better served in an unholy alliance with Ghaddafi's Libya, and making the center of Africa stable by joointly invading and capitalizing on the DRC (their land and resources, I mean)), rather than the interminable wars in the mideast.
 
One thing I'm curious to hear people's opinions on: let's say the wall gets built, and serves Trump's stated purpose of minimizing the drug traffic that comes here from Mexico. How do you think that impacts the bloom of a domestic hard drug manufacturing base?
It will teach black people chemistry? Dunno.
 
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