Trump addresses government shutdown and border security


"Some have suggested a barrier is immoral. Then why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences, and gates around their homes? They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."

build wall :wall:

I think I need to actually post an article as well so here's some shit from WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-addresses-nation-on-border-wall-as-shutdown-drags-on-11546999648
WASHINGTON—President Trump in a prime-time address Tuesday said a wall along the southern border is key to national security, as he called for lawmakers to fund it and end a partial government shutdown that is days away from becoming the longest in U.S. history.

In the televised address from the Oval Office, Mr. Trump’s first in his nearly two years as president, he said a barrier is necessary to prevent the movement of illegal drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border, and he shared stories of human trafficking.

“This is a humanitarian crisis—a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul,” said Mr. Trump, sitting at the Resolute Desk. “This is the cycle of human suffering that I am determined to end.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic congressional leaders, issued an immediate televised response to the president, rejecting the idea of a wall as unnecessary.

“President Trump must stop holding the American people hostage, must stop manufacturing a crisis, and must reopen the government,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

Mr. Schumer said Democrats are united with the president on the need for stronger border security, but said: “We sharply disagree with the president about the most effective way to do it.”

Earlier Tuesday, Senate Democrats blocked the chamber from considering bipartisan foreign-policy legislation in a bid to pressure Republicans to end the government shutdown, which was in its 18th day. That move, combined with Mr. Trump’s address, suggested that neither side was prepared to cede ground over wall funding.

Mr. Trump and congressional leadership from both parties are scheduled to meet and discuss the issue Wednesday at the White House, after the president attends a lunch with Senate Republicans on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Trump’s address was part of a ramped-up effort by the White House this week to sway public opinion in favor of a border wall, a core issue for Mr. Trump’s political base but one that is broadly unpopular. On Thursday, the Republican president is set to travel to the border to highlight the issue in person.

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in September, ahead of midterm elections, showed 29% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate calling for a wall, while 55% said they would be less likely to do so.

In his address, Mr. Trump didn’t declare a national emergency over border security—a move he publicly contemplated in recent days—in which he would seek to divert funds from elsewhere in the government to fund the wall. Such a declaration would bring swift legal challenges, and it is unclear in that scenario where the funds would come from.

Instead, the speech was aimed at explaining the president’s rationale for why he viewed the U.S.-Mexico border as in a state of crisis.

Mr. Trump has said he wouldn’t sign any bill ending the shutdown that doesn’t allocate money for hundreds of miles of a border wall.

Earlier Tuesday evening, Senate Democrats prevented the chamber from moving to consider a package of bills aimed at boosting security assistance for Israel and other Middle Eastern policy provisions. Republicans hold 53 seats in the Senate, where most bills need 60 votes to clear procedural hurdles.

Some Democrats have said they would block all legislation until the government is reopened, though Mr. Schumer hasn’t gone that far.

“The first business of the Senate should be to reopen the government,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D., Va.), noting that he had co-sponsored one of the bills related to Israel. “As passionate as I have been for the security of the nation of Israel, I’m every bit as passionate about the security of the United States.”

The president’s apparent backing off on declaring an emergency comes after lawmakers in both parties indicated they wouldn’t support such a move. Rep. Mac Thornberry of Texas, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, said Tuesday that he opposes using an emergency declaration to build a wall using military funds.

President Trump and prominent Democrats met Friday to discuss ending the government shutdown, which the president had claimed responsibility to further the cause border security. The talks were described by the president as productive, but the Democrats disagreed. Photo: AP
“In short, I’m opposed to using defense dollars for nondefense purposes,” he said.

Senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway said in a Fox News interview Monday that the White House Counsel’s Office was exploring the legal implications of declaring a national emergency, but said doing so would “let Congress off the hook.”

In preparation for Tuesday’s speech, White House officials were underscoring the importance of internally fact-checking any numbers and statistics, after the president and his aides have repeatedly mischaracterized immigration-related figures in recent weeks. “It’s really important we get this right,” one senior White House official said.

The president has made points about problems with drugs and human trafficking at the border publicly in the past week. Last week, he told cabinet members that 300 people in the U.S. die each day from overdoses of heroin, “the vast majority of which comes across through our southern border.” The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the epidemic of daily opioid deaths is 130.

Mr. Trump also has said 20,000 children were smuggled into the U.S. last month. There were 25,000 families apprehended at the border in November, according to the most recent data available from U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

During closed-door negotiations on reopening the government, Mrs. Pelosi has disputed some White House aides’ statistics about the border. On Sunday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was challenged on Fox News for saying 4,000 known or suspected terrorists have been apprehended coming into the country.

“Do you know where those 4,000 people come, where they are captured?” Chris Wallace, the host of “Fox News Sunday,” told Ms. Sanders. “Airports … the State Department says there hasn’t been any terrorists found coming across the southern border.” Mr. Wallace was referring to data from the Department of Homeland Security.

Ms. Conway, in the Fox News interview, said that statistic “got unfortunately conflated by a colleague” and acknowledged that the nearly 4,000 terrorists or terror suspects apprehended in fiscal year 2017 hadn’t sought to enter the U.S. through the southern border.

The administration has sought in recent days to blunt the impact of the shutdown, buying time as negotiations with Congress continue. On Monday, the Trump administration said the Internal Revenue Service would pay tax refunds even though the agency is closed, reversing a longstanding policy.

About 420,000 employees deemed essential are working without pay, while another 380,000 federal employees have been placed on unpaid leave. The shutdown became the second-longest on record Monday. By Saturday, if the government hasn’t reopened, the shutdown will become the longest in U.S. history.
 
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I noticed one thing when I watched the speech live on television. (Not CNN or MSNBC) Right after Trump's speech was over there was the Democrat rebuttal that followed it. Did Republicans do this in the past after one of Obama's presidential addresses because I don't remember that ever happening with him. I don't remember news stations allowing another party's rebuttal.
It's been a thing since the mid 60s, but not for minor shit. Usually it is done for the annual message.
 
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The last government shutdown cost the United States costed about, $2 billion if the math is right, not to mention 850,000 federal employees being furloughed because of lack of funding. That lasted about 16 days, the second longest in US history. Not to mention a brief outline also explaining the negative effects of the government shutdown.

This one is approaching the longest shutdown in American history, which may even cost $24 billion, more than 4x what Trump is asking for his "border security" wall. I don't see the logic in that strategy since 1) this proposed wall is losing more money than it's worth and 2) bragging about employment and "protecting the American people" when American government workers (TSA, SS, military families, etc.) are unable to work and provide for THEIR families, and Trump being oblivious about it to say the least.

when Obama was in office, Obama supported border security and there is video of Obama and Schumer stating this.

I think the hypocrisy comes into play with Trump dehumanizing a country and its voter base agreeing and supplementing it with bigotry and etho centrism, it practically becomes as disturbing as black people demonizing white people. I can't speak for Schumer, but show me footage of Obama's stance on immigration and compare it with Trump. Is the problem that immigration wasn't solved or handled properly for decades or "feelings weren't hurt"?

And these are not real Dems or liberals, these are crazy far left Dems leftist who just hate Trump

The whole government system in America is messed up to say the least. If this was the 2000s or 90s, Democrats and Republicans would be lumped into the same category, hypocritical rich politicians that would lie and manipulate just to further their careers with several skeletons in their closets.
 
The last government shutdown cost the United States costed about, $2 billion if the math is right, not to mention 850,000 federal employees being furloughed because of lack of funding. That lasted about 16 days, the second longest in US history. Not to mention a brief outline also explaining the negative effects of the government shutdown.

This one is approaching the longest shutdown in American history, which may even cost $24 billion, more than 4x what Trump is asking for his "border security" wall. I don't see the logic in that strategy since 1) this proposed wall is losing more money than it's worth and 2) bragging about employment and "protecting the American people" when American government workers (TSA, SS, military families, etc.) are unable to work and provide for THEIR families, and Trump being oblivious about it to say the least.



I think the hypocrisy comes into play with Trump dehumanizing a country and its voter base agreeing and supplementing it with bigotry and etho centrism, it practically becomes as disturbing as black people demonizing white people. I can't speak for Schumer, but show me footage of Obama's stance on immigration and compare it with Trump. Is the problem that immigration wasn't solved or handled properly for decades or "feelings weren't hurt"?



The whole government system in America is messed up to say the least. If this was the 2000s or 90s, Democrats and Republicans would be lumped into the same category, hypocritical rich politicians that would lie and manipulate just to further their careers with several skeletons in their closets.
Executive branch wants 5 billion annually for border wall
Opposition uses party whip hard to prevent this
Claims 5 billion is a ludicrous expense on a border wall
Government goes into shutdown with billions being lost into nothing
Is it not the people who argued for not spending the money in the first place that look crazy in this scenario?
 
The last government shutdown cost the United States costed about, $2 billion if the math is right, not to mention 850,000 federal employees being furloughed because of lack of funding. That lasted about 16 days, the second longest in US history. Not to mention a brief outline also explaining the negative effects of the government shutdown.

This one is approaching the longest shutdown in American history, which may even cost $24 billion, more than 4x what Trump is asking for his "border security" wall. I don't see the logic in that strategy since 1) this proposed wall is losing more money than it's worth and 2) bragging about employment and "protecting the American people" when American government workers (TSA, SS, military families, etc.) are unable to work and provide for THEIR families, and Trump being oblivious about it to say the least.



I think the hypocrisy comes into play with Trump dehumanizing a country and its voter base agreeing and supplementing it with bigotry and etho centrism, it practically becomes as disturbing as black people demonizing white people. I can't speak for Schumer, but show me footage of Obama's stance on immigration and compare it with Trump. Is the problem that immigration wasn't solved or handled properly for decades or "feelings weren't hurt"?



The whole government system in America is messed up to say the least. If this was the 2000s or 90s, Democrats and Republicans would be lumped into the same category, hypocritical rich politicians that would lie and manipulate just to further their careers with several skeletons in their closets.

That was a long winded way to say BUILD THE WALL.
:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:
 
That was a long winded way to say BUILD THE WALL.
:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

I'm not against combating and trying to control immigration. The issue I'm seeing is you can't just blindly say: This will work. Build a wall. Do this or that. America is supposed to be a democracy, yet politicians and Trump are throwing a tantrum over who did what and why, when clearly this doesn't necessarily help anything?

Feel free to disagree, but why am I wrong?
 
The last government shutdown cost the United States costed about, $2 billion if the math is right, not to mention 850,000 federal employees being furloughed because of lack of funding. That lasted about 16 days, the second longest in US history. Not to mention a brief outline also explaining the negative effects of the government shutdown.

This one is approaching the longest shutdown in American history, which may even cost $24 billion, more than 4x what Trump is asking for his "border security" wall. I don't see the logic in that strategy since 1) this proposed wall is losing more money than it's worth and 2) bragging about employment and "protecting the American people" when American government workers (TSA, SS, military families, etc.) are unable to work and provide for THEIR families, and Trump being oblivious about it to say the least.
That's still absolute goddamned peanuts compared to what it costs us to have such a porous border and lax immigration policies. The government could stay shut down for the rest of the month and we'd still not be approaching the annual cost of those two problems. I'm all for keeping it shut down for as long as it takes, and even while he's keeping them busy wrangling all of the morons in the room around this shutdown, he just finished awarding another 115-mile contract in Texas, a 32-mile contract in Arizona, and a 29-mile contract in California.

Brick by brick the wall is being built here and there, but everyone's always too busy chasing the laser pointer to actually see where it's happening.
 
That's still absolute goddamned peanuts compared to what it costs us to have such a porous border and lax immigration policies.
In which people are legitimately living off those peanuts which may have nothing to do with how immigration was poorly handled inbetween the US-Mexico border for years, even showing a peak increase in 2007. The people that are passive about illegal immigration are corporations that can exploit and stockpile migrants, even writing about why illegal immigration is "beneficial". Whichever way you look at it, nobody gives a FUCK about how immigration is handled unless it's to benefit themselves. Which is worse?
 
I'm not against combating and trying to control immigration. The issue I'm seeing is you can't just blindly say: This will work. Build a wall. Do this or that. America is supposed to be a democracy, yet politicians and Trump are throwing a tantrum over who did what and why, when clearly this doesn't necessarily help anything?

Feel free to disagree, but why am I wrong?
Except we've seen that border fences are effective elsewhere in the world, and if you get one built you might be able to downsize the border patrol which has just ballooned since the border became a hot spot for illegal immigration.

Doing nothing helps no one, and before you link some video with some smug cretin saying most illegals come through air travel. The wall is to stop illegal border crossings, which is bad enough to have caused a "humanitarian crisis" according to the democrats. And by arriving at an airport you at least leave a paper trail and screen out drug traffickers and criminals, meanwhile anyone could be crossing the border.

The US spends ludicrous amounts on defense, asking for a 5 billion wall is nothing, and should only be an issue for those who see something to gain from illegal border crossings
 
sking for a 5 billion wall is nothing, and should only be an issue for those who see something to gain from illegal border crossings
Big corporations and businesses that want to make a quick buck for hiring migrants, the overzealous white person that wants virtue bucks so they can feel good about themselves, the ultra conservative that can look at urban decay and thinks hurling ethnic slurs and whatnot is "helping"...

I'm not saying that illegal immigration shouldn't be combated. I actually agree that the United States should have a stronger, but fair system of how immigration is handled. I disagree with how Trump is going through with it because it's a bandage for a much bigger problem that has been around for years and could even worsen the situation.
 
the ultra conservative that [wants illegal immigration to continue unchecked so they] can look at urban decay and thinks hurling ethnic slurs and whatnot is "helping"...
This person only exists in your head.

I disagree with how Trump is going through with it because it's a bandage for a much bigger problem that has been around for years and could even worsen the situation.
You disagree with actually solving the illegal immigration problem, as far as I can tell. Perfect is the enemy of good.
 
Of course it's a bandage. We need a bandage to cover up a gushing, bleeding wound. Stop the bleeding, then worry about the broken bones (which in this analogy are all the illegals already inside the country). Is it perfect? No, but it beats bleeding to death.
 
Like 80% of our illegals come from flying into the US and overstaying visas.

The wall is useful as a big fuck you to the democrats, but if we're going to be real, it's a retarded idea.
 
Like 80% of our illegals come from flying into the US and overstaying visas.

The wall is useful as a big fuck you to the democrats, but if we're going to be real, it's a exceptional idea.
We'll just look the other way on half a million illegal border crossings because most illegal immigrants come in through other means

Brilliant
 
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