Trump addresses government shutdown and border security


"Some have suggested a barrier is immoral. Then why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences, and gates around their homes? They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."

build wall :wall:

I think I need to actually post an article as well so here's some shit from WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-addresses-nation-on-border-wall-as-shutdown-drags-on-11546999648
WASHINGTON—President Trump in a prime-time address Tuesday said a wall along the southern border is key to national security, as he called for lawmakers to fund it and end a partial government shutdown that is days away from becoming the longest in U.S. history.

In the televised address from the Oval Office, Mr. Trump’s first in his nearly two years as president, he said a barrier is necessary to prevent the movement of illegal drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border, and he shared stories of human trafficking.

“This is a humanitarian crisis—a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul,” said Mr. Trump, sitting at the Resolute Desk. “This is the cycle of human suffering that I am determined to end.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic congressional leaders, issued an immediate televised response to the president, rejecting the idea of a wall as unnecessary.

“President Trump must stop holding the American people hostage, must stop manufacturing a crisis, and must reopen the government,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

Mr. Schumer said Democrats are united with the president on the need for stronger border security, but said: “We sharply disagree with the president about the most effective way to do it.”

Earlier Tuesday, Senate Democrats blocked the chamber from considering bipartisan foreign-policy legislation in a bid to pressure Republicans to end the government shutdown, which was in its 18th day. That move, combined with Mr. Trump’s address, suggested that neither side was prepared to cede ground over wall funding.

Mr. Trump and congressional leadership from both parties are scheduled to meet and discuss the issue Wednesday at the White House, after the president attends a lunch with Senate Republicans on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Trump’s address was part of a ramped-up effort by the White House this week to sway public opinion in favor of a border wall, a core issue for Mr. Trump’s political base but one that is broadly unpopular. On Thursday, the Republican president is set to travel to the border to highlight the issue in person.

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in September, ahead of midterm elections, showed 29% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate calling for a wall, while 55% said they would be less likely to do so.

In his address, Mr. Trump didn’t declare a national emergency over border security—a move he publicly contemplated in recent days—in which he would seek to divert funds from elsewhere in the government to fund the wall. Such a declaration would bring swift legal challenges, and it is unclear in that scenario where the funds would come from.

Instead, the speech was aimed at explaining the president’s rationale for why he viewed the U.S.-Mexico border as in a state of crisis.

Mr. Trump has said he wouldn’t sign any bill ending the shutdown that doesn’t allocate money for hundreds of miles of a border wall.

Earlier Tuesday evening, Senate Democrats prevented the chamber from moving to consider a package of bills aimed at boosting security assistance for Israel and other Middle Eastern policy provisions. Republicans hold 53 seats in the Senate, where most bills need 60 votes to clear procedural hurdles.

Some Democrats have said they would block all legislation until the government is reopened, though Mr. Schumer hasn’t gone that far.

“The first business of the Senate should be to reopen the government,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D., Va.), noting that he had co-sponsored one of the bills related to Israel. “As passionate as I have been for the security of the nation of Israel, I’m every bit as passionate about the security of the United States.”

The president’s apparent backing off on declaring an emergency comes after lawmakers in both parties indicated they wouldn’t support such a move. Rep. Mac Thornberry of Texas, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, said Tuesday that he opposes using an emergency declaration to build a wall using military funds.

President Trump and prominent Democrats met Friday to discuss ending the government shutdown, which the president had claimed responsibility to further the cause border security. The talks were described by the president as productive, but the Democrats disagreed. Photo: AP
“In short, I’m opposed to using defense dollars for nondefense purposes,” he said.

Senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway said in a Fox News interview Monday that the White House Counsel’s Office was exploring the legal implications of declaring a national emergency, but said doing so would “let Congress off the hook.”

In preparation for Tuesday’s speech, White House officials were underscoring the importance of internally fact-checking any numbers and statistics, after the president and his aides have repeatedly mischaracterized immigration-related figures in recent weeks. “It’s really important we get this right,” one senior White House official said.

The president has made points about problems with drugs and human trafficking at the border publicly in the past week. Last week, he told cabinet members that 300 people in the U.S. die each day from overdoses of heroin, “the vast majority of which comes across through our southern border.” The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the epidemic of daily opioid deaths is 130.

Mr. Trump also has said 20,000 children were smuggled into the U.S. last month. There were 25,000 families apprehended at the border in November, according to the most recent data available from U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

During closed-door negotiations on reopening the government, Mrs. Pelosi has disputed some White House aides’ statistics about the border. On Sunday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was challenged on Fox News for saying 4,000 known or suspected terrorists have been apprehended coming into the country.

“Do you know where those 4,000 people come, where they are captured?” Chris Wallace, the host of “Fox News Sunday,” told Ms. Sanders. “Airports … the State Department says there hasn’t been any terrorists found coming across the southern border.” Mr. Wallace was referring to data from the Department of Homeland Security.

Ms. Conway, in the Fox News interview, said that statistic “got unfortunately conflated by a colleague” and acknowledged that the nearly 4,000 terrorists or terror suspects apprehended in fiscal year 2017 hadn’t sought to enter the U.S. through the southern border.

The administration has sought in recent days to blunt the impact of the shutdown, buying time as negotiations with Congress continue. On Monday, the Trump administration said the Internal Revenue Service would pay tax refunds even though the agency is closed, reversing a longstanding policy.

About 420,000 employees deemed essential are working without pay, while another 380,000 federal employees have been placed on unpaid leave. The shutdown became the second-longest on record Monday. By Saturday, if the government hasn’t reopened, the shutdown will become the longest in U.S. history.
 
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Anyone have a tl;dw of the democrat response? I can't bear watching it, but might have to acknowledge it tomorrow.

As far as Trump's speech, nother really new, but I like the fact that he doesn't seem to be backing down. I just hope he doesn't trade DACA for it.
 
Sadly, these shutdowns are literally the only way anything in Congress can happen. Seems to be every year now.
 
Anyone have a tl;dw of the democrat response? I can't bear watching it, but might have to acknowledge it tomorrow.
Basically said that Trump's holding all those poor government workers hostage over the wall and how this is all based on fear and how we should just reopen the government and pretend this whole wall business never happened. There was this really awful moment at the end where Schumer said something to the effect of "the national icon of the US should be the Statue of Liberty, not a wall".

Schumer and Pelosi are the creepiest fucking things I've ever seen on live TV. It's like if the Delightful Children From Down the Lane got old and all but two of them died.
 
when Obama was in office, Obama supported border security and there is video of Obama and Schumer stating this.
What ever Trump wants and does, Dems oppose it, even in a good economy with low unemployment,.
And these are not real Dems or liberals, these are crazy far left Dems leftist who just hate Trump

Trump " such beautiful weather, high 70s with clear skies"
Lefist Dems " no its not, its dark and depressing and full racism weather"
me "WTF"
 
Both Schumer and Pelosi looked like ghouls, Pelosi especially. Her makeup was terrible, she’s like a creepy witch with too much plastic surgery.

That was a good callout on wealthy assholes building their own barriers and hiring security then criticizing a border wall. Fuck those assholes, tear down their walls and let the homeless and crazies on their property to rape and murder their families.

This is why I hate wealthy liberals, they’re massive hypocrites.
 
I'm just laughing at the fact that the dems don't seem to know who they're trying to intimidate. They may be insane, but even their endless insanity wanes to Trump's boldness.
 
I'm just laughing at the fact that the dems don't seem to know who they're trying to intimidate. They may be insane, but even their endless insanity wanes to Trump's boldness.

Not only that but Trump is in a position of power here and the Democrats are in a position of weakness. Even better is if Pelosi buckles, her new woke congresscritters will chimp out. This may be less about the wall and more of Pelosi fending off challengers from her left.
 
when Obama was in office, Obama supported border security and there is video of Obama and Schumer stating this.
What ever Trump wants and does, Dems oppose it, even in a good economy with low unemployment,.
And these are not real Dems or liberals, these are crazy far left Dems leftist who just hate Trump

Trump " such beautiful weather, high 70s with clear skies"
Lefist Dems " no its not, its dark and depressing and full racism weather"
me "WTF"

I have a theory that leftists operate with such high levels of cognitive dissonance, that when they see the pre-Trump recordings of Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, Hillary, etc... unequivocally stating the importance of border security, all they hear is "Mwa waw, maw maw" like when adults talk in the Peanuts cartoon. Their bias won't even allow them to process the obvious hypocrisy.
 
Trump being frank about the illegal immigration situation in lieu of couching everything in PC nonsense or ignoring the issue entirely is my favorite aspect of his presidency and there was very little in this speech I do not agree with.
 
On Sunday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was challenged on Fox News for saying 4,000 known or suspected terrorists have been apprehended coming into the country.

“Do you know where those 4,000 people come, where they are captured?” Chris Wallace, the host of “Fox News Sunday,” told Ms. Sanders. “Airports … the State Department says there hasn’t been any terrorists found coming across the southern border.”
The wall isn't suppose to keep terrorist out, it's supposed to keep out freeloaders and illegal drugs.
 
Everybody on the Left calls Trump dumb but that was a smart, savvy speech.
 
I noticed one thing when I watched the speech live on television. (Not CNN or MSNBC) Right after Trump's speech was over there was the Democrat rebuttal that followed it. Did Republicans do this in the past after one of Obama's presidential addresses because I don't remember that ever happening with him. I don't remember news stations allowing another party's rebuttal.
 
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