Containment What will happen when Barb dies?

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silentium dijo:
It is very well established that Chris has no respect for or understanding of boundaries. At first glance it's easy to argue that it's just autism and poor socialization but there are far too many instances where Chris does things he should by all means know are straight up wrong. Just look at how he's repeatedly groped people despite being strongly rebuked by multiple different individuals, or *God*, even fucking Sonic Sez from that 90s cartoon saying touching people in ways they don't like being touched is wrong.
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Chris understands hard boundaries, he just doesn't understand soft, unspoken, or continuing boundaries. If you tell him "don't touch me", he will not touch you for a certain period of time until the words have faded and his immediate wants take precedence. Then you have to tell him again, in order to renew the precedence of your wishes above his.

i.e. any boundaries he faces have to be immediate and visible now. Any consequences he will suffer need to be now. Any rewards to encourage positive acts need to be now. If these things are not immediate and apparent, his ego and wants will take over because those are *always* there.

This is why it's so easy to get Chris to change his behavior temporarily if you manipulate him correctly, while still being impossible to get him to make any permanent or long-lasting changes. This is why he doesn't keep his promises, even though he *intends* to keep them while he's making them (and thus why he feels he is making them honestly, and when he doesn't make good on his promises, it's because the situation changed).

When Chris says he cares about someone, he's being honest. He really does care about that person. That's why he's so hurt when you tell him he doesn't. He really does care. Until five minutes later when he stops caring because something else has his attention. He wasn't *lying*, he just is a creature of the now. The reason Chris seems to only care about Chris is because Chris is the only person who is part of Chris' attention 24/7.

This is also why Chris keeps falling for the same stupid ween shit over and over again. He can't stop touching the hot stove when there's cookies on it. Any learning he makes happens only gradually, after many many harsh lessons, and never completely.
 
Pointless Sperg dijo:
Chris understands hard boundaries, he just doesn't understand soft, unspoken, or continuing boundaries.
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Maybe, but he definitely doesn't understand why those boundaries should apply to him. He does understand consequences though, but, as you point out, they have to be real, imminent consequences. The moment he forgets about the consequences (Chris does not long term memory good) or thinks they might not apply any more, he'll be back to crossing the line. Oh, and he'll definitely blame whoever enforces the consequences as a Bad Person, not accept responsibility for them being a result of his own actions.

Look at all his attempts to get back into the Game Place. How many milliseconds did it take him to return there when he learned it was under new ownership?

If you tell Chris he shouldn't touch other people without their permission because it's wrong and creepy, he's say, "Hm. Yeah. Okay," and continue touching people. If you tell him he'll get his ass thrown out of the 'con by those burly men over there if he touches someone again, he'll keep his hands to himself. At least until the next 'con (or until he can't see the burly men any more - and then he gets kicked out of the 'con). At no point ever does he actually think it's wrong for him to touch.

He's also really, really bad at connecting past results to future possibilities. Yes, he got kicked out of Walmart for vandalizing their store displays, but that's because Walmart are jerks, so vandalizing the store displays at Target should be OK.

tl;dr: Chris is unbelievably bad at chess. And even worse at poker.
 
A-№1 dijo:
Maybe, but he definitely doesn't understand why those boundaries should apply to him. He does understand consequences though, but, as you point out, they have to be real, imminent consequences. The moment he forgets about the consequences (Chris does not long term memory good) or thinks they might not apply any more, he'll be back to crossing the line. Oh, and he'll definitely blame whoever enforces the consequences as a Bad Person, not accept responsibility for them being a result of his own actions.
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There's two kinds of Chris apologies. The angry fake ones where you can tell he's lying, and the ones where he's genuinely remorseful. They're easy to tell apart. In the fake ones, he genuinely believes he was doing the right thing. In the real ones, he understands he did something wrong, but he *thought* he was doing the right thing, and everyone makes mistakes right?

And that's the key to understanding why Chris does anything, he almost never thinks "this is wrong" when he does it. It's either good but prohibited by evil jerkops (and good people will understand his actions), or he genuinely believes that it's the correct thing to do and everyone else would agree with him -- because Chris has no capacity for theory of mind.

It's the same reason a lot of autistic people tell shitty inappropriate jokes -- because they don't understand that other people might not find something funny that they find funny. Complete failure of theory of mind.

So when Chris paws at a girl because it feels good, it's not that he's thinking rapey thoughts. He isn't drawing pleasure from the other person's discomfort. He genuinely believes that they must be feeling good too, because it's making him feel good. A girl has to constantly remind him not to touch them, because he can't truly understand the reason why, he can only have it explained, and that explanation will not stay in his head for very long, so it has to be refreshed -- exactly the same way punishments have to be refreshed.

If Chris were less of a tard he would be able to remember what he has learned from negative experiences, but sadly he doesn't have that level of retention to do that, so he just goes with how he feels at any given moment. It's not that he *can't* remember it, it's just that he can't make himself remember it when he needs it.

I know this sounds like armchair psychology bullshit, but I really don't feel like powerleveling to explain how I know this is true.

A-№1 dijo:
tl;dr: Chris is unbelievably bad at chess. And even worse at poker.
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The only table game Chris would be good at is Candyland, and that's because it's entirely driven by chance. He'd still celebrate his wins as showing his skillful mastery of the game, and curse his opponents for cheating when he lost.

Although I just had the horrible thought of what a fucking nightmare a game of D&D would be if Chris were DM.
 
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He genuinely believes that they must be feeling good too, because it's making him feel good.
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Or it doesn't even occur to him that they're feeling anything. They're just background characters in The Chris Show. If they think or feel anything, from his perspective, it's only what he's scripted for them in his own head. Look at the shock and confusion that always comes over him when people IRL always go off script.

The only table game Chris would be good at is Candyland, and that's because it's entirely driven by chance.
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Not Snakes and Ladders?

Although I just had the horrible thought of what a fucking nightmare a game of D&D would be if Chris were DM.
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I'm thinking something like a combination between his Sonichu comics and F.A.T.A.L. (If you don't already now what FATAL is, don't look it up. Just don't. You don't want to know.)

On the plus side, you'd only have to experience it for about five minutes before Chris ragequits.
 
A-№1 dijo:
If they think or feel anything, from his perspective, it's only what he's scripted for them in his own head. Look at the shock and confusion that always comes over him when people IRL always go off script.
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That's exactly what I mean. If Chris likes you, he wants you to be happy, but his idea of happy comes entirely from Chris' own personal interpretation, and he is shocked and confused when reality doesn't happen that way. Theory of mind is the ability to consider thought processes outside of your own, and Chris lacks that.

Normal people older than small children automatically gain that through empathy. Autists don't, and instead have to develop theory of mind on a purely intellectual basis. Retarded autists like Chris can't even do THAT though, and can't comprehend a reality that is different from whatever they envision it is.

So yeah, it's sort of what he scripted in his own head. It's not him *consciously* trying to control others, he's not literally scripting out behaviors for other people deliberately, it's just his inability to consider other perspectives. He calls it like he sees it -- and what he sees is very, very warped by his own childish nature.

Small children are *exactly* like this. That doesn't mean they don't love their mommy and daddy or their friends, it just means they lack the capacity to understand. Ironically this is what Chris thinks about other people who think poorly of him -- "they just misunderstand" -- because Chris' reality *IS* reality to him.
A-№1 dijo:
Not Snakes and Ladders?
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That too. (Chutes and Ladders in the U.S.) There's a reason the two games are promoted together.

A-№1 dijo:
I'm thinking something like a combination between his Sonichu comics and F.A.T.A.L. (If you don't already now what FATAL is, don't look it up. Just don't. You don't want to know.)

On the plus side, you'd only have to experience it for about five minutes before Chris ragequits.
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I'm posting on a forum for people interested in documenting the life of a literal motherfucker who drinks his own cum while stewing in his shit-filled underwear. I think I'll be okay.

Also, I was not aware of it. Thank you for pointing it out to me. From the Wikipedia article, it seems like it was more purpose built to get people to have self-righteous outrage over it. I have respect for anything that mathematically calculates "anal circumference tables".

Furthermore, it's a make-believe fantasy game. Chris is mild in comparison on paper, but he is far, far worse because he actually exists.
 
Pointless Sperg dijo:
Theory of mind is the ability to consider thought processes outside of your own, and Chris lacks that.
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I think he's worse than that. Chris has more of a theory of anti-mind. He firmly believes other people shouldn't have thoughts other than his own. That's part of why he creates fantasy worlds to live in where everyone does what he thinks they should.

he's not literally scripting out behaviors for other people deliberately,
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Actually, he has. Chris is not witty, but he sees other people make witty replies, so he comes up with his own "witty' replies in his head ahead of time and then tries to feed lines to people so he can make his "witty" response. And he gets very frustrated when people don't stay on script even when he's right there prompting them.

ironically this is what Chris thinks about other people who think poorly of him -- "they just misunderstand"
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Usually he makes them into villains. It's not that you don't understand; you're just evil. That's wy Null is now Judas and not Thomas. Chris only makes exceptions for girls he wants to fuck.

Chutes and Ladders in the U.S.
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Yeah, but Chris' life still gets snakes, not chutes. And no ladders. Because Chris.

I think I'll be okay.
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Regardless, you can't blame me. I did warn you.

it seems like it was more purpose built to get people to have self-righteous outrage over it.
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Nope. Nobody puts that much work into a mere trolling attempt. The creators were 100% serious. Else they wouldn't have caved to the outrage and made a watered down second edition. They would have doubled down for more outrage.

Chris is mild in comparison on paper, but he is far, far worse because he actually exists.
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Chris couldn't handle the math anyways. Hell, two-up is a little beyond Chris. Any D&D game run by Chris wouldn't involve dice.
 
I wonder whether Barb, and again, for all we know she could already be dead, is ignoring Chris' calls on purpose. He attempted to call her three times (each day apparently) and she did not pick up. Something sinister has to be going on.
 
Pointless Sperg dijo:
This is also why Chris keeps falling for the same stupid ween shit over and over again. He can't stop touching the hot stove when there's cookies on it. Any learning he makes happens only gradually, after many many harsh lessons, and never completely.
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He also never learns general rules. He might learn he's banned from some specific place but then give him a new place and he'll get thrown out for doing the same shit.
 
If Barb’s dead, how quickly will the bank foreclose and take the house?
It’s the perfect time since they don’t have a squatter to evict.
 
SaintFestivus69 dijo:
I wonder whether Barb, and again, for all we know she could already be dead, is ignoring Chris' calls on purpose. He attempted to call her three times (each day apparently) and she did not pick up. Something sinister has to be going on.
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Not at all unlike a woman who decides that somebody who's pursuing her romantically doesn't meet her standards, so she wordlessly ceases contact, but the guy isn't savvy enough to recognize it, so he's calling or texting her as much as he did when the woman did voluntarily interact with him and trying to convince himself that she's just "too busy" right now.

Barb may be dead, or she's just in bad enough shape that even answering a phone call from anybody would be too much for her to handle. Who knows.
 
Muncie Anderson dijo:
Not at all unlike a woman who decides that somebody who's pursuing her romantically doesn't meet her standards, so she wordlessly ceases contact, but the guy isn't savvy enough to recognize it, so he's calling or texting her as much as he did when the woman did voluntarily interact with him and trying to convince himself that she's just "too busy" right now.

Barb may be dead, or she's just in bad enough shape that even answering a phone call from anybody would be too much for her to handle. Who knows.
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I'm inclined to think even with the best case scenario Chris Chan's life after prison just got that bit more shitty.
 
Muncie Anderson dijo:
Not at all unlike a woman who decides that somebody who's pursuing her romantically doesn't meet her standards, so she wordlessly ceases contact, but the guy isn't savvy enough to recognize it, so he's calling or texting her as much as he did when the woman did voluntarily interact with him and trying to convince himself that she's just "too busy" right now.
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Hahaha you’re basically saying Chris is being ghosted by his own mom because she’s no longer interested?
 
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Not Snakes and Ladders?
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neither are actual games since there isn’t really any player input, but snakes and ladders is still more respectable than Candyland. Snakes and ladders at least every turn everyone gets a random probability of being able to advance, while in Candyland the winner is predetermined by how the deck is initially shuffled, you don’t even need to play the game to find out who’s luckier.
 
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