Containment What will happen when Barb dies?

[Niggernerd]

I get where you're coming from but I've been watching this situation since '09 so believe me I understand the odds.

Consider this. The therapy he's received has been weekly hour long sessions, after which he was allowed to go back to play time because his parents were enablers.
In a group home/psyche facility he will be monitored constantly. No internet, vidya, no humoring his larps (sadly they probably won't address his troon shit). Constant supervision and intensive therapy.

Secondly, Chris is on 23 hour lockdown, in a cement box, in a psychiatric segregation unit. That drives far stronger men insane. Smart people will learn to play chess with the cells next to them, "fish" lines to their neighbors, practice origami or actual meditation. Anything to stay out of their heads.

Chris only has his imagination, constantly warping and reinforcing his delusions.

Just don't be a kiwi tard who copes and seethes over their creepy obese autistic god.

 

[RedRocket69]

Just don't be a kiwi tard who copes and seethes over their creepy obese autistic god.

But may I dilate over my lovely thin neurotypical goddess?

 

[Niggernerd]

But may I dilate over my lovely thin neurotypical goddess?

No, you can only coom to nulls love quest.

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

To be completely blunt, I honestly think he'll become homeless. Yes, ending up in a group home or psychiatric care is the best case scenario but I dont think it'll happen. Mental health resources are kinda shitty in the US, and even for extreme cases like this theres a shortage of beds. The largest psychiatric institutions are prisons, and I'm pretty sure most of us are aware that they dont exactly give quality treatment. Their idea of psychiatric care is a cement sensory deprivation cell (solitary) which only drives people crazier.

Other than beds availability, the other problem is insurance and that there's a process to being put into these places, it's not just "this person is batshit insane, so they get their 'good for one bed at a facility/group home' coupon hand delivered to them". I'm not sure if he has Medicare (qualify due to disability) or medicaid ( qualify due to low income) since that's a whole process that I'm not sure he's mentally competent to do on his own. Group homes dont necessarily need insurance, but it is also a process. He can get assistance (like a social worker) but I have a feeling he wont. Maybe he will go to a DSS office and fill out the forms for placement in a group home, but I kinda doubt it.

I'm not sure if the prison he's currently in will set up placement for him after his sentence (like in a group home/homeless shelter) or just let him out like "ok, you're time is done, good luck". But if it's the latter, I think he'll just end up homeless. The US is quicker to send someone to prison rather than forcibly place them in an actual mental healthcare facility.

I think you are right. A lot of people seem to think there is some mental institution Chris can be thrown into like Batman's villains at Arkham Asylum. I know the name of the jail where Chris is being held right now. I do not currently know the name of a single institution where he would hypothetically be sent. Chris needs to be in a long term care facility but I don't know if that exists in Virginia for mentally ill people.

 

[RedRocket69]

No, you can only coom to nulls love quest.

Deal!
I really wish he would get on it so his kid could bantz Ralph's one day

 

[Niggernerd]

Chris needs to be in a long term care facility but I don't know if that exists in Virginia for mentally ill people.

I believe it's called prison

 

[RedRocket69]

I think you are right. A lot of people seem to think there is some mental institution Chris can be thrown into like Batman's villains at Arkham Asylum. I know the name of the jail where Chris is being held right now. I do not currently know the name of a single institution where he would hypothetically be sent. Chris needs to be in a long term care facility but I don't know if that exists in Virginia for mentally ill people.

For the first time, all of the attention directed at Chris may be to his advantage. This is an extremely uncomfortable case for the DA and while it might not be extremely high profile, many people are watching and demanding that something proper be done about him.

Also he wouldn't have to be ordered to a facility specifically in Virginia. I've seen judges order people to rehabs out of state and I'm sure the same rules apply to psych facilities, even though they definitely have options there. The only place I could see not having a group home system/psych facility would be Rhode Island, and that's just because of square mileage.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Chris' admission that Barb said "no" has some credibility because it's an admission against his own interest.

As long as he didn't *do anything* when she said "no", it's not a problem. It is not illegal to ask to fuck your mom, and then not do it when she says "no". If everyone (including Barb) testifies that he did not do anything on the occasions where she said "no", the prosecution has nothing. For it to be rape, they would have to prove that he did indeed fuck her when she said "no". This is why a rape charge is exponentially harder to prove without Barb's consent. For the incest charge, they just have to prove that he fucked her at any point, regardless of her agreement at the time.

Where did Heilberg announce he was pursuing an insanity defense? Ordering psych evaluations don’t mean he’s going for an insanity defense. He’d have to be an idiot and he’s clearly not one.

Chris is too stupid to try to fake insanity. He’s still larping and coping.

But your first paragraph is spot on.

From what I know, the defense has no reason to request psych evals other than to pursue a defense based on mental incompetency.

Why do you feel this would be a losing strategy and what leads you to believe that Chris is competent in a legal sense?

Trying to troon out is already a sign of severe mental illness, but to do so by cutting open your grundle, listening to high pitched tones for hours and putting egg masturbators on your manly bosoms is a big hint that there's something even worse at play.

Heilberg probably ordered those to support a claim of diminished capacity. This is different from insanity. With diminished capacity, you are still guilty of the crime, but your punishment should be less considering the totality of the circumstances. This includes the decision whether to charge the incest as a misdemeanor or a felony. i.e. it does not change the fact that a crime occurred, but it can change the nature of the crime and the nature of the punishment.

The end goal of a diminished capacity argument is a lesser charge, or failing that, lesser punishment for the charge.

It probably partly depends on whether he's on the sex offender registry when he gets out. If he is, there will probably be a period of supervised release, and they may place him in some kind of halfway house for offenders. Higher tier offenders have more restrictions on them, so if he lands up at the highest tier, it's likely there will be very few place he's allowed to live, and they generally prefer them not to be homeless because homeless offenders tend not to comply.

From what I've been able to discover, Virginia has mostly done away with halfway houses for non-juveniles. Being placed on the SOR would be incredibly bad for Chris. Virginia is one of the states where prospects for a high-tier sex offender are very grim, and basically guarantee that they will return to prison.

That said I consider it INCREDIBLY unlikely that Chris will be placed on the SOR at any tier higher than 1. Heilberg simply will not accept a rape charge in any plea agreement. The worst case plea agreement would be felony incest with a tier 1 SOR listing. I still consider that unlikely, and any agreement will be misdemeanor incest, or felony incest with no SOR listing.

That said, even at Tier 1, there would be a gajillion ways for Chris to fuck up just wandering around too close to a playground because he wanted to play on the swings.

Also he wouldn't have to be ordered to a facility specifically in Virginia. I've seen judges order people to rehabs out of state and I'm sure the same rules apply to psych facilities, even though they definitely have options there. The only place I could see not having a group home system/psych facility would be Rhode Island, and that's just because of square mileage.

There are actually many supportive tard housing facilities in Virginia where he could be housed compassionately, the only question is how they would be paid for.

 

[AnOminous]

I think you are right. A lot of people seem to think there is some mental institution Chris can be thrown into like Batman's villains at Arkham Asylum. I know the name of the jail where Chris is being held right now. I do not currently know the name of a single institution where he would hypothetically be sent. Chris needs to be in a long term care facility but I don't know if that exists in Virginia for mentally ill people.

If he's found to be a sexually violent predator, he could be civilly committed to a mental institution after his sentence. This can be indefinitely. There was some talk of repealing this earlier this year but it was shot down.

 

[RedRocket69]

There are actually many supportive tard housing facilities in Virginia where he could be housed compassionately, the only question is how they would be paid for.

By viewers taxpayers like you! Thank you.

 

[RodgerDodger]

As long as he didn't *do anything* when she said "no", it's not a problem. It is not illegal to ask to fuck your mom, and then not do it when she says "no". If everyone (including Barb) testifies that he did not do anything on the occasions where she said "no", the prosecution has nothing. For it to be rape, they would have to prove that he did indeed fuck her when she said "no". This is why a rape charge is exponentially harder to prove without Barb's consent. For the incest charge, they just have to prove that he fucked her at any point, regardless of her agreement at the time.





Heilberg probably ordered those to support a claim of diminished capacity. This is different from insanity. With diminished capacity, you are still guilty of the crime, but your punishment should be less considering the totality of the circumstances. This includes the decision whether to charge the incest as a misdemeanor or a felony. i.e. it does not change the fact that a crime occurred, but it can change the nature of the crime and the nature of the punishment.

The end goal of a diminished capacity argument is a lesser charge, or failing that, lesser punishment for the charge.



From what I've been able to discover, Virginia has mostly done away with halfway houses for non-juveniles. Being placed on the SOR would be incredibly bad for Chris. Virginia is one of the states where prospects for a high-tier sex offender are very grim, and basically guarantee that they will return to prison.

That said I consider it INCREDIBLY unlikely that Chris will be placed on the SOR at any tier higher than 1. Heilberg simply will not accept a rape charge in any plea agreement. The worst case plea agreement would be felony incest with a tier 1 SOR listing. I still consider that unlikely, and any agreement will be misdemeanor incest, or felony incest with no SOR listing.

That said, even at Tier 1, there would be a gajillion ways for Chris to fuck up just wandering around too close to a playground because he wanted to play on the swings.



There are actually many supportive tard housing facilities in Virginia where he could be housed compassionately, the only question is how they would be paid for.

Chris's added problem is no group home will accept him givn his history of inapropriate sexual behvior. Regardless of criminity or SOR status. He fucked his mom. Classic Stripey shirt Pokemon tard raging Chris could have found easy placement in group home. Modern goddess Christine? Not just no but Fuck No!

 

[AnOminous]

There are actually many supportive tard housing facilities in Virginia where he could be housed compassionately, the only question is how they would be paid for.

If he ends up on the sex offender registry, though, they're probably not going to put him in with vulnerable population, but in some kind of sex offender-oriented facility or halfway house away from any schools and other places he wouldn't be allowed to live.

 

[Smleman303]

If he ends up on the sex offender registry, though, they're probably not going to put him in with vulnerable population, but in some kind of sex offender-oriented facility or halfway house away from any schools and other places he wouldn't be allowed to live.

Since you are often the most legally knowledgeable member of the forum I would like to know what your realistic prediction for Chris's sentence and post sentencing life will be like?

 

[AnOminous]

Since you are often the most legally knowledgeable member of the forum I would like to know what your realistic prediction for Chris's sentence and post sentencing life will be like?

It really depends. The range is wild. If they just stick with this misdemeanor, he could get out with time served. If they throw in rape, though, and get it to stick, it could range from five years to life. The other major factor is if he gets on the s.o.r. and if so, at what tier. The lowest tier is fairly nonrestrictive, he'd be on it for at least 15 years, but wouldn't leave him a pariah unable to live anywhere at all other than some kind of "pervert park."

If gets a Tier III category, it's for life and the conditions are so restrictive I doubt he'd be able to comply. He would probably spend the rest of his life bouncing from prison to homeless to mental institutions much like John Bulla.

It's really unpredictable though. Because of the privacy rules of the specialized district court it's in we have really no idea of what evidence is on the table, whether Barb can even testify, or how strong the prosecution's case is. I think it is highly likely they have enough to prove at least incest, and that's what they might offer him a plea to. If he's lucky it will be the misdemeanor tier and if he's really lucky, he won't be on the sex offender registry. And if he's remotely smart he'll take it if he gets it.

Those are about as good as it gets and he still probably gets out only to be homeless even in that case.

Another factor is he has priors. Even if they're minor he'll probably get a little bump for that too, especially if they don't plead to a specific sentence and get the judge to sign off on it.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Chris's added problem is no group home will accept him givn his history of inapropriate sexual behvior.

True. According to Chris' affirmations, which shouldn't come as a surprise, the way he describes how he flirts ("I have a much easier time approaching and talking with others. And if I accidentally flirt, so be it.") and his sexuality... seems like Chris likes to invite sexual harassment. I can't imagine any woman who would like that, but Chris, who claims to be one, doesn't see it (and it still baffles me that the LGBT and the left still want to come to Chris' aid despite this fact).

That aside, If Chris ever thinks that one of the people in the group home is 'flirting' with him, he will take that as an invite to harass them, meaning Chris hasn't learned shit from the TMG incident.

 

[silentium]

Those are about as good as it gets and he still probably gets out only to be homeless even in that case.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but wouldn't his trial ending up with time served be the worst possible outcome for him at this point? A ban from 14BC or no contact order with Barb is basically guaranteed from what I'm gathering. So if Chris goes straight from jail to the streets then it's homeless saga time. But if he gets a few months in prison, would that be enough for him to get a social worker to set him up with housing?

(I know "a few months" is a _VERY_ optimistic take on the time needed to get a place to live)

 

[RodgerDodger]

True. According to Chris' affirmations, which shouldn't come as a surprise, the way he describes how he flirts ("I have a much easier time approaching and talking with others. And if I accidentally flirt, so be it.") and his sexuality... seems like Chris likes to invite sexual harassment. I can't imagine any woman who would like that, but Chris, who claims to be one, doesn't see it (and it still baffles me that the LGBT and the left still want to come to Chris' aid despite this fact).

That aside, If Chris ever thinks that one of the people in the group home is 'flirting' with him, he will take that as an invite to harass them, meaning Chris hasn't learned shit from the TMG incident.

It's not even that. He stuck his dick in his primary caregiver. His fucking Mom. They will not put him in an environment that has any form of free range autistic retards for fear that he will stick his dick in them. Chris isn't a small boy. They will be leery of putting him in any environment with female caregivers. No matter what he claims he is this week. The only form of dedicated mental health living environment he is likely to qualify for would be a locked ward psyche unit for the "criminally insane". And yes all states either have one or two of these, or they pay a private psyche facility to deal with it. beds are limited.

 

[Robotic Richard Simmons]

When Barb passes in the next six months people are going to desecrate her grave/memorial.

 

[RodgerDodger]

When Barb passes in the next six months people are going to desecrate her grave/memorial.

When Barb passes people (The Neighbors!) will quietly burn the house down in an attempt to exorcise "Chris(t)ine" from their community and lives. Chris(t) may or may not be in the house when they light the matches.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

He stuck his dick in his primary caregiver. His fucking Mom.

Bear in mind that, depending on how lucid Barb is and how much she cares about her autistic manchild of a son, she can (I think) ask the DA to drop charges. Even then, it would be pretty darn hard for them to prove rape if Barb doesn't want to testify, and I have my doubts about whether she can or will do that.

They will not put him in an environment that has any form of free range autistic retards for fear that he will stick his dick in them.

I think you're being a bit there. Assuming the best-case scenario happens - ie the judge takes one look at Chris and sends him to a group home - he'll still be in an environment with some fellow slow-in-the-minds because the alternatives are dumping him on the street, sending him back to Barb or keeping him in jail. The first one would drum up a lot of bad publicity, as would the second, and trying the third has led Chris to strut around calling himself Jesus Christ reincarnated.

If Chris does get sent there, he'd ideally just fade away from the public view and become a vaguely functional autist before dying at 60 from heart disease and being buried in the Charlottesville potter's field. Unfortunately this isn't an ideal world, so he'd probably end up "accidentally flirting" with another tard. I have no idea what social services do if that happens or if - God forbid - Chris ends up making a Crystal Weston Chandler with a 30 year old sped.