What happened to Punk? - And Alt Rock/Grunge, etc.

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Punk was essentially a rebellion _inside_ the rock music scene.

Evolution of the Rock Oligopoly
At the end of the 60s, minor labels turned to tricks to capture the lightning that the Beatles started.
These tricks included song ghostwriting, fake performers/bands, shorter and shorter songs with strong hooks-for radio play, and spamming trademarks on a plethora of bands that only ever failed.
Small labels collapsed and combined into larger, powerhouse Disco labels in the 70s.

Rock Music Culture
The late 60s/early 70s began the culture of the Rock Superstar. The Pop/Disco icon travelling in limos, coked up, surrounded by beautiful people. Gone were the days of garage bands, and the starving artist playing in seedy bars. David Bowie and Elton John were now the idols, selling out arenas and snorting $50k per night. These icons required big money tickets for performances to fuel their egos and entitlement.

Technology
The rapid adoption of the synthesizer/keyboard into 70s music was an enormous leap forward. Combined with a (comparatively) 'real' drum machine and the emerging effect-pedal technologies, rock (and any other) music could have exploded in any (or all) directions. Yet with a completely new palette to paint with, the resulting Disco music machine churned out the same bland hit-after-hit. Every now and then, an interesting riff was combined with an effect. Unfortunately, this progress receded as well (a. la. Disco Duck).
Punk was a rebellion against those 3 (and many more factors). Disco was the epitome of those factors.

No more designing music for think-tanks and focus groups.
No more music unemotionally played to tens-of-thousands faces lost in crowds
No more over-complicated 'rock' sung by choirs of synthetic castrati with a string orchestra accompanied by Glitterati Divas.

Raw straight forward emotion and lyrics, simple music with strong emphasis, and a no-frills intimate performance.
That's what punk meant to me.

Mega Negroid Gyroid dijo:
Its too much, Im not gonna get into it.....
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sIEC4GuZ9Y4
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Literally starts the video with her sales numbers, WORLDWIDE
"Yeah, I have a stylist...."
so Punk.
 
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In the op

Dr. Ricearoni​

stated that the majority "sold out". I disagree, people get older and they evolve. Take for instance fugazi. The bass player and drummer now do this:


Whereas, Ian MacKaye, the former vocalist, (also front man for Minor Threat, and co-founder and owner of Dischord Records) is producing this currently, which also features his younger brother as singer:


Going back futher, Johnny Rotten started Public Image Ltd. Which gave us classics such as :


Not certain any of it qualifies as "selling out".
 
As someone who came up through the DIY Punk scene in the 90s and early 2000's, the biggest problem is that you can't make "edgy" art if you agree with the mainstream view of the day.
Pretty much all of the people I know from that scene are now total NPCs, because the dominant culture now isn't the right-wing Christian conservatives that we grew up with, it's woke garbage.
I stuck to my principles and still believe in free speech, and that globalism is a terrible idea for the working class, but all of my ex friends are all about "cancelling" people and deepthroating corporate wang.

What exactly are they protesting against now?
 
Epic Fail Man dijo:
Two better genres, post-punk and new wave came to being. Punk was always shit, it's like the no talent soundcloud rapping of the 70s.
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It also evolved into metal. Motorhead was punk as hell, and everything but the gay hair metal bands in the 80s from Iron Maiden to Slayer were obviously punk-inspired.
 
Honestly with the back catalog of material and its ease of access there is no better time to be a fan of music, now that its so available to the average person you really see how much of musics fandom consisted of people just wanting to find some niche in which to exist, all of this obscure music that in the past would require you to drop 20 dollars based on little more than album art is available basically for free, i've been dedicating time to listen to stuff i find difficult to listen to, last saturday i sat through "reproduction" by "The human league" and am probably better for having done so but not something i would have wanted to throw money at like back in the 90's...

Also it seems like music just doesen't seem as important to young peoples sub culture as it was back in the day, this could be seen as slightly depressing in a way but at the chance of sounding naively optimistic i feel like there may be a resurgence coming right around the bend, all it takes is a couple bands to bubble of from the cultural miasma and inspire other people to do the same.
 
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Crass already had the answer to this all the way back in '78 with Punk is Dead

But also Crass sucks
 
Save the Loli dijo:
It also evolved into metal. Motorhead was punk as hell, and everything but the gay hair metal bands in the 80s from Iron Maiden to Slayer were obviously punk-inspired.
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Not really, but you could say the band Lemmy was in before forming Motorhead, Hawkwind had some protopunk elements, and especially after he left, though those "punk" albums of Hawkwind from the mid to late seventies were their worst imo.
 
Matt Damon dijo:
Punk was always about selling an image with no substance, practically from the start. The fact that a talentless piece of shit like Sid Vicious is still the poster boy of punk to this day should be proof of that.
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Sid Vicious and the slut he was railing are proof that punk is built on daddy issues and BPD.
 
Save the Loli dijo:
It also evolved into metal. Motorhead was punk as hell, and everything but the gay hair metal bands in the 80s from Iron Maiden to Slayer were obviously punk-inspired.
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It's more like the rock n' roll culture diverged into punk and metal, then punk influencing metal. Lemmy was in a prog rock band called Hawkwind for a while when punk was a very nacsent scene in New York (or England if you think it started there).

Edit: For some reason I called Hawkwind "Spacewind". Probably was thinking of their space rock songs.
 
JohnWayne'sImpactedFeces dijo:
Punk didn't evolve into metal. Metal appeared before Punk Rock. Metal also is formed from elements of Locrian, literally the diabolus in musica (the devil in music) and banned by the church during the renaissance.

Why is the Augmented 4th the "chord of evil" that was banned in Renaissance church music? | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.uk

www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

This guy explains it in autistic glory but titles it the metallica scale for views.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UuqvZDDm_bk:65
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No, but punk has influenced most all metal made since the late 70s (besides hair metal I guess). There's a clear difference between Black Sabbath or 70s Judas Priest and Motorhead which is clearly influenced by punk. Punk influence is obvious on early Iron Maiden (especially Paul Di'Anno's voice, he was a fucking punk singer) and other British heavy metal bands (i.e. Venom) from that era which directly inspired thrash metal, death metal, black metal, etc. And then there's stuff they call metal that you actually could call an evolution of punk like Neurosis who started off as a hardcore band.
 
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