What happened to Punk? - And Alt Rock/Grunge, etc.

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Dr. Ricearoni

Dr. Ricearoni

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So I'm too young to have been around for the heyday of punk but my dad listened to a good deal of it and I actually quite enjoy it. But that's not what this thread is about. I'm actually more interested in the culture of punk, and where it all went wrong. I've picked up bits and pieces of the history of punk and, if you'll forgive me for the gay reference, from what I can tell it's the Family Guy to Rock and Roll's The Simpsons. What I mean by that, of course, is that Rock and Roll was this sort of musical counterculture revolution to the stuffier, more refined age that came before it, kind of like how Simpsons was a counterculture parody to the family oriented sitcoms that predated it. And just as Family Guy was the parody that came too late, Punk came around to be the counterculture to a culture that itself was already on its way out. The biggest bands became mainstream and were sanitized of their edge and ultimately the punk culture failed to achieve anything because the majority sold out. Is my assessment correct, or am I wildly incorrect? I'm hoping any older kiwis who lived through the age of zines and bad clothes would be able to explain it better to me because I'm very interested.

Seperately, Grunge seems like Punk's little brother who got into drugs and shot himself. I feel like that's more or less accurate but if I'm wrong feel free to correct me on that too.
 
RACISM dijo:
It's simple really. Musicians are a starving bunch. Wave a load of money in front of them and 99% of them will be sucking Jewish producer cock.
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See I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with selling out. The problem is that punk seemed to pride itself on a hatred of sellouts only for it to do so itself. If you can make some shit and get paid well for it, you absolutely should. It goes to show though how paper thin their ideology is. I like the ideas behind punk but it's pretty hard to take them seriously retrospectively.
 
Punk's not dead, it's only hibernating.
Plus Zoomers would ruin it, Millenials already tried to ruin it and gave alot of it a bad name. The last thing we need are retarded children of the snowflake generation fucking things up.
Celebrate the old cherish the path that was carved.
 
Dr. Ricearoni dijo:
See I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with selling out. The problem is that punk seemed to pride itself on a hatred of sellouts only for it to do so itself. If you can make some shit and get paid well for it, you absolutely should. It goes to show though how paper thin their ideology is. I like the ideas behind punk but it's pretty hard to take them seriously retrospectively.
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Punk was just the latest in a long line of music scenes to bait American youths into consuming major label music products under the guise of edgy rebellion.
Which is why all the bands central to the scene who weren't 1-2 album flameouts inevitably got accused of selling out. Because they were selling an image to begin with.
As Tool put it:
All you know about me is what I've sold you, dumb fuck
I sold out long before you'd ever even heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit
And you bought one
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Can't say much about the topic myself but I know that Marcus Parks did a podcast series called No Dogs In Space about the history of a bunch of punk bands like the Misfits and the Stooges and more. I haven't listened to it but I know Marcus is a thorough and enthusiastic researcher so the info and analysis should be really solid.
 
Nothing lasts forever, it seemed like rock was having a bit of a resurgence in the 00's 10's with eagles of death metal, yeahyeahyeah's paramore and others to an extent but it somewhat petered out it seems, nigger music is dirt cheap to produce and its themes are perfect for the materialistic and shallow society that exists today.
 
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CowPox dijo:
Nothing lasts forever, it seemed like rock was having a bit of a resurgence in the 00's 10's with eagles of death metal, yeahyeahyeah's paramore and others to an extent but it somewhat petered out it seems, nigger music is dirt cheap to produce and perfect for the materialistic and shallow society that exists today.
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I really do wonder how much rhythm games like Guitar Hero from the mid-00's to early 2010's fostered a revival of interest in rock music.
I don't think it's a coincidence how the death of the genre ca. 2014 correlated to mumble rap taking over the not-pop side of the charts.
 
Drug problems, making basically no money so as to not be a sell-out, and brutal touring conditions were enough to kill off most bands and show that getting a normal job was preferable.

Henry Rollins' book Get In the Van does a pretty good job laying it out.
 
Epic Fail Man dijo:
Two better genres, post-punk and new wave came to being. Punk was always shit, it's like the no talent soundcloud rapping of the 70s.
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New Wave was just wannabe niggo punk and post-punk has been so thoroughly run up the euphemism treadmill I'm genuinely not sure what a hallmark of the genre is aside from "we don't want to be called rock music"
Also you forgot hardcore which was better than either tbh
 
i'm old enough to have witnessed the loss of live punk music. a lot of the songs that i wanted to post to this thread simply cannot be found, and it's telling that i had to sit through the first few seconds of ads for snuggle fabric softener and 1-800-got-junk to find the few that have been uploaded. sigh. such is life.

these are some of the last punk bands, answering your question in their own words:

dead kennedys (1985)

fugazi (1990)

and at the bitter end ... descendents (2004)
 
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Now I'm not going to bash punk bands or anything like that as I feel like some of them were genuinely good. But as a concept over time it became an issue, the culture was fundamentally useless.

You take any music genre and you see those getting into it you have those trying to emulate it, be it in replicating the music or the "scene".

The problem is, over time what was punk? There were genuine differences in how say the British and New York scene operated. However that only lasted a few years. So after time the bands fizzled out and you were left with those trying to emulate them or spinoff. Stuff like Black Flag and New Wave

However these things can only last so long. It wasnt as durable as other genres because as a concept it favored simplicity. It was easier to incorporate punk elements into other genres than get away with doing the other way around (if you want autism read about how some people took Black Flag's My war at the time).

So then later on you had the pop punk revival, which was just pop but trying to emulate the "scene" (listen I hate Green Day so fucking much, but I digress they were important for this). But even then that scene only lasted so long.


Let me regale a shitty story. A long time ago I was in the middle of a failing band. At the time we lost two members and were on hiatus. Another band member knew this chick, this fat slob of a girl who asked us to form a punk band with her. Now as a young man I didnt care so much, we just wanted to play music.

So she shows up and has no idea what to do. Now I at the time was a shit musician. But to her we were NOT shit enough. To her a punk band were suppose to go out there and be shit as possible.

You take the Stooges, probably one of the best bands that ever existed. You take the Sex Pistols, the Clash, the Ramones, Black Flag. Scene bands like Shrapnel. None of these were shit bands. But people who only come at it for the scene or the image do not really care about the actual music. Emo and Goth bands have survived a better fate when it came to their scene
 
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