Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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In reality, those measurements are ballparks. However, I am a fan of Chronometer and MyFitnessPal because even if it’s not perfectly accurate it’s consistent.
If you’re having trouble digesting your food, I would suggest soaking good ginger in honey and eating a few pieces with your meals. Papaya and pineapple are also really good for digestion. These contain various enzymes and such that help break down food.
It's not the digestion, but eating it even though I feel full. I tried eating a whole chicken breast and couldn't do it. But cutting it into slices and portioning the pieces to 6oz was enough for me to eat it. So based on myfitnesspal, I get 52g of protein from those 6 oz. I already consume ginger and turmeric for anti-inflammatory and energy purposes. Kiwifruits also work as a tenderizer and could help, but there's supply issues for them lately.
 
Planking is good for your core and very easy on your back if you focus on form (using a mirror really helps) and if you like more movement-based exercise then hanging leg raises would be my go-to. Also not too bad on your back, and actually gets you a pretty good stretch. I think both of those would make sit-ups a lot easier.
In general, my favorite abdominal exercises are Roman Chair Twists with no added weight, Hanging Leg or Knee Raises, anything in Hollow Body positions like Dragon Flags or those ab wheels, and a variety of kettlebell movements.
For the Sit Up specifically, I like them on a decline bench. They are a fine exercise, just do them with proper form, that's where most people fuck it up.
 
Time to test my new workout plan. For context, I have a 5 day split of Chest and Biceps, legs, back, shoulders and triceps, and Squats. I have split things up into 3 weeks to try and hit certain exercises that I enjoy doing/feels like its productive. Started up about 6 weeks ago on the first 3 week cycle doing a 5x5 doing heavy weight which was good but then took a 3 week pause to do lighter weight and focus on slowly moving the weight in the eccentric movement and going quick with the eccentric movement. Felt like I was getting a really nice pump with everything so I will definitely keep it going in the future. But what I am testing now is to see if my strength also improves by doing these 3 week cycle of low rep heavy weight and higher rep light weight movements.

My current workout goals are trying to improve my max lifts but also sculp out my body a bit. I hit the 1000 pound club about 8 months ago and am trying to improve those. Current maxes

Bench 275
Squat 355
Deadlift 395
 
I think I messed up my form or something, my shoulder and elbow really hurt when doing my lifts today. I think it's time to take a week off and let the muscles rest.
 
I'm in week 7 of my strength building block, got two more weeks before testing. Yesterday was bench press. Foiled again at pressing 100kg/220. Today was deadlift, made it through the workout, but I missed lockout on the last rep of my top set at 385x3, and they were harder than they should have been. Feel super fatigued honestly, I failed all my attempts at a heavy single at 90%+ of my 1RM on bench. I grinded through a few in the high 80s, the strength just wasn't there though compared to last week.

Taking Friday off, and trying another PR attempt on bench on Saturday instead of the developmental work, since I'm kinda heated I missed those sets.
 
Situps probably don't count as weightlifting but our health eval is coming up and I'm wondering if any of you know: what exercise exercises the same muscles as a situp without having to actually do the situp? I've read situps are shit for your body but we have to do a minimum. So I'd like to train for endurance to increase my situp maximum.
Unless situps are the only way, in which RIP my back.
The notion that situps are somehow bad for you because you move your spine is utter bollocks. It's pure nocebo, and the people who push it are nocebo-peddlers. No range of motion is inherently injurious, unless you're literally pulling bones out of sockets, and even then contortionists do that all the time. The man with the healthiest lower back is the man who can jefferson curl 500 pounds.
 
The notion that situps are somehow bad for you because you move your spine is utter bollocks. It's pure nocebo, and the people who push it are nocebo-peddlers. No range of motion is inherently injurious, unless you're literally pulling bones out of sockets, and even then contortionists do that all the time. The man with the healthiest lower back is the man who can jefferson curl 500 pounds.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rVwUuXXMUew
Harvard said "They push your curved spine against the floor and work your hip flexors, the muscles that run from the thighs to the lumbar vertebrae in the lower back. When the hip flexors are too strong or too tight, they tug on the lower spine, which can create lower back discomfort." Situps forces the back into extreme spinal flexion. When repeated over and over you can get bulging/herniated discs (which is not worth the risk of doing situps). The army eliminated it from their required PT. Jefferson curls scare tf out of me. It puts so much pressure on your spinal discs.... I'll stick to Romanian dead lifts. I'll ask my weightlifter friend about it tho.

If there are studies that show that it's good for your spine to exercise flex in this way, i'll change my tune.
 
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Normies curve their spines every day when picking stuff up, and they're perfectly fine.

So how heavy is too heavy? A credit card? A book? The pink dumbbell which weighs 6lbs? An empty bar?

What if I load the bar? Alright, that crosses a line. But what if I'd been doing the empty bar for 20+reps with no issues for a while? Can I not add a little load as a treat? And if I do that load for a good number of reps with no issues? Can I add more?

You can call this a slippery slope argument. I call it "progressive overload".

PS: 225lbs bench press scared the shit out of your pecs and triceps on the first day in the gym. Heavy load can be acclimated to, that's literally the point of going to the gym
PPS: on literally every other exercise, when you encounter discomfort you usually either scale the weight back, or check your form or both. Why are situps and Jefferson curls so different?
 
Harvard said "They push your curved spine against the floor and work your hip flexors, the muscles that run from the thighs to the lumbar vertebrae in the lower back. When the hip flexors are too strong or too tight, they tug on the lower spine, which can create lower back discomfort." Situps forces the back into extreme spinal flexion. When repeated over and over you can get bulging/herniated discs (which is not worth the risk of doing situps). The army eliminated it from their required PT. Jefferson curls scare tf out of me. It puts so much pressure on your spinal discs.... I'll stick to Romanian dead lifts. I'll ask my weightlifter friend about it tho.

If there are studies that show that it's good for your spine to exercise flex in this way, i'll change my tune.
I'm sure if you develop some muscular imbalance you could experience issues, but there is absolutely no reason to fear situps if you don't already feel any discomfort doing them. They don't "force" your spine into an "extreme" ROM. It's a perfectly normal foreward motion you are likely to go into every day. If anything, the largest problem with the situp is that the lack of ROM is somewhat inferior for hypertrophy, as the floor stop you from getting a good stretch on your abs. The reason the army removed them, per the article, was because it's not really that effective of a movement and it's not specific to military activity. There has been a lot of fearmongering over spinal flextion over the years based on old shoddy research on dead pig cadavers being crunched that still persists in your mum's fitness toning magazines and instagram grifters' posts, but it's just not true. If you take things slowly, and work up towards it, there is nothing preventing you from building strength and mobility in any range of motion and it will make you more robust and injury-resistant for it. If what you said was true, all these strength athletes who repeated flex their spines under extremely heavy load would be absolutely crippled by now. But they're not. Their spines are in fact much healthier than yours or mine.
 
Anyone ever feel like sometimes getting yourself psyched up to lift the weight is harder than actually lifting the weight?
absolutely. :geek:the moment when your hands are on the bar or you're securing the straps and almost ready to start can feel neverending sometimes.

then you do the set and yeah it was hard and you almost died trying to squeeze that last rep but it wasn't that hard.:roll:
 
I was sick with a chest cild for about a week and a half, two weeks. Extreme fatigue, loss of apetite, slept like 16-20 hours a day, and obviously didnt hit the gym. Now it like I'm starting up all over again, having to drag myself in to rebuild the habit, with the added issue that after eating so little I can't hit my macros, which means I gas out easily, which means I dont exert myself enough to build up a really good appetite, in a vicious cycle. Went in this morning for my Posterior A workout and gassed out after squats and one arm dumbell rows. Freaking annoying, but thetes nothing for it but to keep pushing.
 
What do we think of the "Powerbuilding is an abomination" thing covered by Natural Hypertrophy and responded to by Bald Omni Man, Steve Shaw, Geoff Schofield, Basement Bodybuilding, etc?
First, I for one am pleased to see actual discussion rather than gay drama in the lifting sphere.
As for powerbuilding, they all make good points. I agree with NH that most “powerbuilders” I see are completely mismanaging their training, and that leads to them being shitty powerlifters with subpar physiques. They just don’t meet any of their goals because they are thinking about it wrong. But Bald Omniman also makes a great point that there are many people who love lifting big weights and also love being swole, and these things are not mutually exclusive.
In my personal view of bodybuilding, it is about sculpting and training the body to look and perform how you, the bodybuilder, desire. I know bodybuilders who love calisthenics, oly lifting, martial arts, gymnastics, powerlifting, etc, and are both accomplished in those fields and look phenomenal. Bodybuilding is self expression in a pure form, and if that self expression means you train for another physical activity so be it.
Many great men from the Silver Era are examples of athletes from all backgrounds, trust me I can give a list of names, who were great bodybuilders both because of, not in spite of, their other endeavors and their pioneering of bodybuilding itself.
 
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What would a progamme mixing specialization for general strength and specialization for hypertrophy actually look like? I have to admit I am woefully ignorant on strength training besides normie shit like "fahves by fahves" and "lower reps=strength!!!" My vague understanding is that such training is comprised of getting the body used to heavy loads without for a few reps without going to failure to specifically incure the neurological adaptation of higher muscle-fiber recruitment. I ask because I do wonder what would stop someone from simply doing that first and then going on to further stimulate the muscle for hypertrophy.
 
First, I for one am pleased to see actual discussion rather than gay drama in the lifting sphere.
As for powerbuilding, they all make good points. I agree with NH that most “powerbuilders” I see are completely mismanaging their training, and that leads to them being shitty powerlifters with subpar physiques. They just don’t meet any of their goals because they are thinking about it wrong. But Bald Omniman also makes a great point that there are many people who love lifting big weights and also love being swole, and these things are not mutually exclusive.
In my personal view of bodybuilding, it is about sculpting and training the body to look and perform how you, the bodybuilder, desire. I know bodybuilders who love calisthenics, oly lifting, martial arts, gymnastics, powerlifting, etc, and are both accomplished in those fields and look phenomenal. Bodybuilding is self expression in a pure form, and if that self expression means you train for another physical activity so be it.
Many great men from the Silver Era are examples of athletes from all backgrounds, trust me I can give a list of names, who were great bodybuilders both because of, not in spite of, their other endeavors and their pioneering of bodybuilding itself.
I just want big muscles man
 
What would a progamme mixing specialization for general strength and specialization for hypertrophy actually look like? I have to admit I am woefully ignorant on strength training besides normie shit like "fahves by fahves" and "lower reps=strength!!!" My vague understanding is that such training is comprised of getting the body used to heavy loads without for a few reps without going to failure to specifically incure the neurological adaptation of higher muscle-fiber recruitment. I ask because I do wonder what would stop someone from simply doing that first and then going on to further stimulate the muscle for hypertrophy.
Yeah, basically it's about lift prioritization. You put that first best part of your time and energy on strength development on the big three then supplement with higher reps and sets on secondary and tertiary work. In my current powerbuilding program from jeffy nipps, you start the week off, day 1 is heavy squat (singles - triples at most, with backoff sets approaching the top set as the weeks progress), paired with overhead press and good mornings. Day 2 is heavy bench, paired with a few other movements. Then a weakpoint developer for squat and bench on day 3 (pin squats or pin press, close grip or pause press, box squats and pause squats, et cetera). Then day 4 you do deadlift and bodybuilding movements for shoulders, abs, and back. Then you do a more simple volume accumulation day on day 5 on squat, bench, and rows. The biggest shortcoming for powerbuilding for me is the emphasis on the big 3. They aren't bodybuilding-centric movements, and are irrelevant for a lot of people's physique goals. Getting strong on SBD will probably have you looking house as fuck and all but it will probably not give you the physique of your dreams. Your training will constantly be built around supplementing and overcoming the limitations of these motions for tailored hypertrophy, and it will always have a problem where in a strength block you are cutting your volume way down to get the big 3 up.

I like powerbuilding because I have some strength goals and the alternating phases of primarily hypertrophy and primarily strength building keep me thinking about the programming

think NH is being autistic "waaa something can't be two things it can only be one"
 
You can work everything with rings, including muscles you never knew you had. I recommend a pair of these for everybody even if you have a home gym or a membership

I bought a pair of those and I realised how stupidly difficult it is to find a place to hang them on. I have, ever since, come with the conspiracy theory that this is architecturally planned and deliberate to prevent people from joining the 41%

Is there a website or app with accurate measurements of grams of protein in specific cuts of meat

This is a part of the fitness lifestyle that I find extremely murky and I favour not being very anal about it and just eat as much protein as possible.

There is a lot of autism about this, but theoretically undereating protein might help with your gains, so go figure.


My experience with Chronometer is that wildly overestimates quantities, and the 'required calories' don't match the amount of macros eaten. The whole thing can get quite painful.

Planking is good for your core and very easy on your back if you focus on form (using a mirror really helps) and if you like more movement-based exercise then hanging leg raises would be my go-to. Also not too bad on your back, and actually gets you a pretty good stretch. I think both of those would make sit-ups a lot easier.

I spent six months religiously doing planking and it's fucking lame. For the best workout that ever was for the core I didn't feel any substantial improvement in that department and thus I'm disappointed.

Roman Chair Twists with no added weight, Hanging Leg or Knee Raises

Roman chair is a killer for people who spend a lot of time sitting.

"lower reps=strength!!!"

I could never stick to a 'strength' program because I like high volume trainings. I'm a bit set on my ways, for better or worse.
 
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