Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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After a year or so of doing Simple and Sinister kettlebells (at a much, MUCH slower weight progression than in the book, and I'm still not done there), I'm surprised I'm actually starting to look a little more muscular. I was never worried about looks, but I now have something that looks vaguely like biceps and forearms without really going out of my way for them, plus some actual shoulders. I think my posture has improved too. No abs or pecs, and still a little bit of a gut (because I like bad food), but actually not too bad for a skinnyfat white boy who had barely ever set foot in a gym. Also my knee and toe pain from early arthritis is almost totally gone.
 
Any tips for eating without counting calories? I don't eat at home most days so it's not really an option for me. I know there are people like GVS who manage excellently with just "instinctive eating" but he used to count calories in the past and I fear you need that background to be able to pull it off successfully. Reason is I'm starting to graduate from skinnyfat to just fat and I want to go on a cut, while not also loosing the newbie gains I've gotten. It's seems hard to strike that balance without having the numbers.
Reporting back on this I successfully cut 10 kilos and I'm now starting a bulk again. Could've been done a lot faster, but it's not hard at all: just skip breakfast.
 
So I was unable to participate in a lifting event a friend told me about called Arnold’s Pump and Run due to life stuff. And I decided to try it yesterday, the basic rules of it are the following.
1. Bench press your body weight until fail
2. Run 3 miles within an hour of the bench reps
3. Subtract your run time by the number of reps and the person with the lowest time wins
I was able to do 19 reps at 170lbs and the run took me 21m4secs meaning my final score is 2m4secs. I was wondering if other people here would be interested in giving this a try.
 
So I was unable to participate in a lifting event a friend told me about called Arnold’s Pump and Run due to life stuff. And I decided to try it yesterday, the basic rules of it are the following.
1. Bench press your body weight until fail
2. Run 3 miles within an hour of the bench reps
3. Subtract your run time by the number of reps and the person with the lowest time wins
I was able to do 19 reps at 170lbs and the run took me 21m4secs meaning my final score is 2m4secs. I was wondering if other people here would be interested in giving this a try.
Not bad at all! I'd have to train a lot harder to get there.

Did hit a new deadlift PR the other day, 6 reps at 160kg, maybe had another in me, but the last rep was a serious challenge and I was just happy to beat the old one. Hamstrings felt like heaven right afterwards, though I'm struggling to walk today.
 
Did hit a new deadlift PR the other day, 6 reps at 160kg, maybe had another in me, but the last rep was a serious challenge and I was just happy to beat the old one. Hamstrings felt like heaven right afterwards, though I'm struggling to walk today.
Very nice, my deadlift is definitely my weakest of the big three with 315lbs being my one rep max.
 
Very nice, my deadlift is definitely my weakest of the big three with 315lbs being my one rep max.
There's some inner retard strength in me for that lift, and less reliably for squat. Though I fucking eat shit squatting without a belt, but can deadlift close to my max without it. Bench I am just stuck at a plateau at, when I finish my current training block I will try a bench focused program and drill in to it. Can only bench about 95kg for one or two, I've done 90 for 4. This week I'll try a max test and see if I've made any progress. Before I move back to the states I want to have benched 2 plates for at least one rep. Triceps shoulders and chest have gotten visibly more muscular but dunno if strength is with them.
 
Ian showed off the guns today, and may I just say, HOW THE FUCK ARE IAN'S BICEPS THE SAME SIZE AS MINE WHEN I'M CURLING TWICE AS MUCH FUCKING WEIGHT AS HE IS?!

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Seriously though, he's made some decent gains, but they mentioned he's curling 25lbs weights. His biceps are about as big as mine and I'm curling 50lbs.
This was from the tim pool thread, but since I'm about to commit acts of off-topic bodybuilding autism, I'd figured i'd drag you off to the off-topic bodybuilding autism zone.

How do you have such an unholy power-to-mass ratio?

Alright, but seriously, there is a difference between biceps being massive and looking massive - the height of the bicep peak is partially determined by how it inserts on the elbow joint and thus how long the muscle turns out to be. Example: Arnold Schwarzenigger (short bicep, tall peak) vs Sergio Oliva (long bicep, short peak).

Also, as for training? I tend to go to failure (and even beyond, with dropsets and such) for smaller muscles such as biceps. It seems to be working for me, my arms have gone from about 15.5 to a square 16 inches in about the last half-year.
 
This was from the tim pool thread, but since I'm about to commit acts of off-topic bodybuilding autism, I'd figured i'd drag you off to the off-topic bodybuilding autism zone.

How do you have such an unholy power-to-mass ratio?

Alright, but seriously, there is a difference between biceps being massive and looking massive - the height of the bicep peak is partially determined by how it inserts on the elbow joint and thus how long the muscle turns out to be. Example: Arnold Schwarzenigger (short bicep, tall peak) vs Sergio Oliva (long bicep, short peak).

Also, as for training? I tend to go to failure (and even beyond, with dropsets and such) for smaller muscles such as biceps. It seems to be working for me, my arms have gone from about 15.5 to a square 16 inches in about the last half-year.
I'm in this thread anyway lol

You know, it's probably a good idea to start actually measuring my arms so I can see if I'm actually making any kind of progress.
 
Not explicitly. I probably should, but I figured I'd focus on a few specific muscles first, and add more exercises in slowly.
Triceps is how you get the big arms if you want to measure them. Biceps just give you a show. Also, for biceps, try reverse grip chin ups or lat pull downs. With a closed, reverse grip, you will hit those biceps real nice
 
I've been working out for about 2 months now and recently started getting into deadlifting. The more I see my body start molding into this gigachad that i've always wanted. it's given me confidence to try new things and be more versatile with my workout routines. i had a wholesome moment with a gymrat that spoke 0 english but he was showing me how to properly use a hack squat machine and holy fuck, i didn't realize how weak my shoulders were since doing it but i was still able to get 5 reps in before calling it quits.

still want to try more and be able to bench press but everything is a process. i don't want to be swole as shit but i also want to be in shape
 
I’m a dumbass for asking but is it a good idea after a muscle workout to go out for a 1 mile run? I’ve been growing a little bit more muscle but all my fat just slumps over and it looks like I got a gobbo body with tits and a belly hanging over. I’m not doing any major core workouts at the moment and I’m following this guide:
My main issue is that I just have no one to workout with.
 
I’m a dumbass for asking but is it a good idea after a muscle workout to go out for a 1 mile run? I’ve been growing a little bit more muscle but all my fat just slumps over and it looks like I got a gobbo body with tits and a belly hanging over. I’m not doing any major core workouts at the moment and I’m following this guide:
My main issue is that I just have no one to workout with.
The harder you work the more gains you'l make so yes. I don't feel like running after a big set but I've cooled off with a 1 miler before. You can accomplish multiple things at once by working to elevate your heart rate during strength training (aka strength/conditioning). There are several ways to do this.

Warm up with cardio, and you can of course throw in aerobics and HIIT moves in between sets, or you can just go no-breaks and superset (or triset) everything. The key concept is to keep that heart rate elevated while pushing heavy weight. This technique will show excellent results though it's a lot more intensive than most gym fags are interested in doing. In truth, full-on strength/conditioning routines got to be a bit too much for me so I just went back to regular superset work. Supersets should be push/pull to maximize intensity unless you are focusing on a specific muscle group (also kind of a waste of time). Trisets should vary from whatever your push/pull is, for example: Bench > Row > Abs.

I'd advise everyone here to back off on the heavy weight and focus on form, increased reps, and TUT (time under tension). You will see much better results and have less chance of injuring yourself. You want to get to the point where you can really feel individual muscle contractions and make the most of your ROM. Low rep sets are stupid and useless (unless you're straight up training for max weight strength competition, or trying for RM, both of which are basically gay wastes of time and health). If you're doing less than 5 reps then you're mostly wasting your time. That should be about a floor even for heavy lifts.

If you don't optimize your diet you'll never get a fitness magazine body either. I know plenty of ppeople who spend 3x more time in the gym than I do, and they can lift more than me, but I look way better than them.

I feel qualified to give this advice because over the course of a decade I've gone from skinny shitty nothing to single-digits bodyfat show muscle body. It's functional fitness and I'm satisfied with my strength (though it's less than it used to be) and my ability to run and jump and so on. Don't forget to stretch (the pro stretch is to just do yoga flow routines).
 
I’m a dumbass for asking but is it a good idea after a muscle workout to go out for a 1 mile run? I’ve been growing a little bit more muscle but all my fat just slumps over and it looks like I got a gobbo body with tits and a belly hanging over. I’m not doing any major core workouts at the moment and I’m following this guide:
My main issue is that I just have no one to workout with.
It's a good way to burn more calories and to give yourself a nice cool down. Usually if you're looking to make muscle gains you want to lift heavy then do cardio. A lot of swole fellas use the assault bike after a heavy leg day for a cool down, easier on the joints.

I did some zercher squats today. Those are always fun. Makes the entire core feel strong. I'm firmly in middle age now so the less heavy back squats I do the better it's going to be long term. I've already busted up my knees from a lifetime of activity. Also doing a lot of split squat variations. Only do heavy back squats (over 225lbs) maybe once a month now. Not trying to be a badass powerlifter anymore, just functional fitness.
 
I’m a dumbass for asking but is it a good idea after a muscle workout to go out for a 1 mile run? I’ve been growing a little bit more muscle but all my fat just slumps over and it looks like I got a gobbo body with tits and a belly hanging over. I’m not doing any major core workouts at the moment and
Cardio is a good idea if you're trying to lose weight, and the "interference effect" between gaining muscle and cardio is very much overblown, especially if you still have newbie gainz to use.
Do you want me to sperg about that program?
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This is generally solid advice. The warmup scheme suggested is good.
I'm not entirely sure what 2-1-2 timing is, I assume 2 seconds to lift the weight, 1 second pause at the top, and 2 seconds to lower it - which I can approve of, controlling the lowering phase is always good, but I definitely prefer "raise the weight as fast as you can under control and without overrelying on momentum"
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It seems that other than abs you're only hitting each muscle group once per week? This is sub-optimal in my opinion, since muscles probably should recover after 3 days, so hitting them twice a week is possible. The volume on each day of the program is kinda crazy too, so SPLIT THE WORK UP between 2 days and you'll be able to hit them fresh and without feeling like your muscles died midway through your workout.

In general i don't really like the supersets here. It feels like both exercises in the superset hit the same muscle and in at least 1 case (shoulder day, barbell shrugs and plate shrugs) the 2 movements are mechanically pretty much identical.
My main issue is that I just have no one to workout with.
Just show up alone and use safety bars so you don't accidentally crush yourself to death.
 
lel, if kiwifarms can make me a workout plan then I would follow it like a bible.
As much as this is a guide, I would appreciate guidance myself. Feel free to criticise this program.

This is my program, it's a heavily butchered version of Alexander Bromley's Bullmastiff, modified to use double progression instead of waves. Reasoning: my stupid monkey brain cannot understand waves and just wants to skip to the final waves.

[Heavy variation] denotes using a variation that allows the most weight to be used. [light variation] denotes using a variation that is more challenging with any given weight. Reasoning: doing heavy variations twice a week generates a lot of fatigue; and doing the same variation over and over again might lead to overuse issues.

"X% 1rm" refers to the load you use as a Percentage of your 1 Rep Max of an exercise which allows the most possible weight to be used.
Eg, if you see "Behind the neck overhead press, 50-60% 1rm" you'd take the last 1rm on the overhead press variation that allows you to use the most weight (i.e. the [heavy variation]) and cut that by 40-50%. I understand that 1rms change with time. Test them once a month only.

Take all sets to <2 reps to failure, but avoid going to failure, especially on your heavy variations, especially the deadlift (I find it to be especially taxing). Isolation exercises like bicep curls and other small exercises like facepulls can and should be taken to absolute failure. Reasoning: proximity to failure makes growth, but also generates fatigue. Fatigue generated from going to failure on small lifts is relatively minimal.

"Double Progression" is used in this program. In short, on any given exercise, train with a given weight until you can do a given number of reps, then increase the weight. For heavy variations, increase the weight at 10 reps; for everything else, 25 reps.

Monday (heavy bench day):
[heavy variation] Bench press, 75-80% 1rm, 4 sets
Bent over row, 3 sets
pullup, 3 sets
[light variation] Behind the neck overhead press, 50-60% 1rm, 3 sets
Facepull X Tricep pushdown, 3 supersets
Lateral raise X Curls, 3 supersets

Tuesday (heavy deadlift day)
[Heavy variation] Sumo/Conventional deadlift, 75-80% 1rm, 3 sets
[Light variation] Zercher squat, 50-60%, 3 sets
Decline situps, 3 sets
Leg curls, 3 sets
leg extensions, 3 sets

Wednesday (rest or cardio)

Thursday (Heavy overhead press day)
[heavy variation] Overhead press, 75-80% 1rm, 4 sets
Bent over row, 3 sets
pullup, 3 sets
[light variation] Larsen press with pause, 50-60% 1rm, 3 sets
Facepull X Tricep pushdown, 3 supersets
Lateral raise X Curls, 3 supersets

Friday (Heavy Squat day)
[Heavy variation] Barbell Back Squat (your choice of lowbar or highbar), 75-80% 1rm, 3 sets
[Light variation] Romanian deadlift, 50-60%, 3 sets
Decline situps, 3 sets
Leg curls, 3 sets
leg extensions, 3 sets

Weekend (rest or cardio)
 
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