Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

[Tren Shapiro]

Roiders will often express jealousy towards FTM troons, even, with how easy they have it to get TRT. The cisheteropatriarchial medical system is keeping LIFE SAVING gender affirming treatment from these brave and bold assigned male at birth transmen

>They are basically trannies because they can't get TRT because it's only given to trannies and they aren't trannies
Can't argue with that.

Also
>"Men have used PEDs for thousands of years"
Lol. Lmao, even.

Do you think PEDs didn't exist until modern medicine? Do you think Lance Armstrong discovered them?

>aggressively bashes sarms
>insists steroids are better
>username "Tren Shapiro"
It checks out.

Welcome back to the Tren Shapiro show, gang. Today we're going to talk about why not marrying a doctor is killing your gains.

 

[ITK]

Do you think PEDs didn't exist until modern medicine? Do you think Lance Armstrong discovered them?

Steroids certainly didn't.

 

[Wesker]

Can understand that 100 percent. Bench is an ego lift if your constantly trying to do one rep maxes. Fast way to kill your shoulders for good.

I've always preferred just dumbbells. Bench makes me rely too much on my dominant side.

 

[Jasper2K]

I've always preferred just dumbbells. Bench makes me rely too much on my dominant side.

Dumbell press is a good accessory lift.

 

[Tren Shapiro]

Steroids certainly didn't.

They certainly did. Eating testicles for virility and performance enhancement dates back to antiquity.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

I used to do gear, quit last year because I got over my issues that convinced me it was a good idea, and honestly it's a choice you make for yourself but you shouldn't take it lightly. I wouldn't recommend steroids and I'm happier for being off them, but it's up to you.
However, I am really disturbed by the sheer number of young guys on gear now, it's everywhere and these kids one, haven't earned the right to be enhanced, and two, they are very likely to fuck something up. None of the kids taking all this shit compete, it's at most for social media. It's really sad to see but I don't think we will solve it anytime soon.
And @Tren Shapiro is right, even the Ancient Greeks "doped" by consuming large amounts of meat, organ meats, and certain mushrooms to boost performance. Now we use pills, they used more natural drugs and what appears to be a way to try and get a lot of creatine and nutrients with meat.

 

[Jasper2K]

I used to do gear, quit last year because I got over my issues that convinced me it was a good idea, and honestly it's a choice you make for yourself but you shouldn't take it lightly. I wouldn't recommend steroids and I'm happier for being off them, but it's up to you.
However, I am really disturbed by the sheer number of young guys on gear now, it's everywhere and these kids one, haven't earned the right to be enhanced, and two, they are very likely to fuck something up. None of the kids taking all this shit compete, it's at most for social media. It's really sad to see but I don't think we will solve it anytime soon.

Yeah see a lot of that at my gym. It's very sad. I used to be naïve to it but once you know what people on steroids look like you can't stop noticing it. I think it's going to get worse. To me taking steroids would defeat the purpose of going to the gym.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Yeah see a lot of that at my gym. It's very sad. I used to be naïve to it but once you know what people on steroids look like you can't stop noticing it. I think it's going to get worse. To me taking steroids would defeat the purpose of going to the gym.

Man, these SARMs Goblins are multiplying rapidly, which is why I go to the old school gym. I went to a more 'trendy' gym and it was like a nightclub, EDM music blasting, and everyone waiting for the benches.
At least they had a nice Belt Squat, that thing was great.

 

[Jasper2K]

Man, these SARMs Goblins are multiplying rapidly, which is why I go to the old school gym. I went to a more 'trendy' gym and it was like a nightclub, EDM music blasting, and everyone waiting for the benches.
At least they had a nice Belt Squat, that thing was great.

Well luckily they tend to avoid the squat rack where I live because squatting and deadlifting requires effort.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Nobodys denying that testicles/special herbs/mushrooms/coffee (caffeine) even etc existed in ancient times, were used for performance enhancement, or even were effective. The critical difference, to me, lies in that what the ancients had was neither quite as potent nor as potentially harmful as what we have these days, and thus wouldn't be game changers.

For me talking about harm from roids is kind of a tangent, because every time you say that there's gunna be some dude saying, WeLL yUo CouLD GeT TrT, bUT MuH PcT etc. There's also the fact that 10 years from now some asshole is probably gonna shoot a big fucking hole in that argument by inventing a new, less harmful drug (i mean sarms were almost that). My arguments against would largely come other angles.

There's also what I'd call Roids in Spirit which is basically anything that's marketed like "take this, get big, its not actually roids, and/or you're still technically natty" (this covers that hypothetical wonderdrug in the previous paragraph too) SARMS are a good example, but so was Turkesterone. So many influencers calling them "natty roids". So many people claiming they put on pounds of muscle in weeks. (this is partially aimed at Coach Greg). Ultimately Turkesterone turned out to be a big sham, but suppose it wasn't, and it made actually worked like they claimed. I wouldn't consider Turkesterone users to be natty in that case.

The other thing all of those have in common is "why would you struggle through years of not-newbie gains when you can just take this pill." which just reeks of instant gratification and only works because "big muscle = impressive" without considering why, that being the years of struggle through not-newbie gains. Enhanced bodybuilders are only impressive because through struggle and roids they'd achieved something beyond what years of struggle through not-newbie gains would achieve.

Roids wouldn't really improve my quality of life. I started training in 2020 (so, late newbie gainz?) and can't even bench 2 plates yet, but what I have is more than plenty for most things in my life. The normies were evidently impressed by what id built, my boss nicknamed me "muscle" at my old job.

Another thing: being not natty means being subject to not natty standards. An analogy: building the Great Wall of China was impressive because they only had ancient technology. It wouldn't be quite as impressive if someone did the same thing but with laser rangefinders and trucks. It's why people like liver king claim natty, it simply wouldn't be as impressive on roids.

 

[Polystyrene Glioblastoma]

Spoiler: Muh swole

I'm a pretty buff guy for being a manlet, Beauty Parlor's token old musclefag. I used to be extremely underweight (92 lbs as a teen) and decided to change that, slowly but surely, I am now nearly 200 lbs. I took pro-hormones a few times before, years ago, but never anything more serious than that. Mirtazipine fattened me up enough to where I could gain some serious size, but I no longer take that.

Here's what I use
Pre-workout: Insane Labs "I Am God" (Orange) or Maniac Apple by Anabolic Warfare.

BCAA Powder: Depends on what I'm using, I prefer it to have electrolytes in it.

Vitamins: Vitadapt Complete (Ashwaganda is inside it).

Creatine: A small amount in either powder or pill form.

Stamiron Reginerol: It has a ton of resveratrol and NMN plus other shit for anti aging and I find it helps with stamina.

Ideal Greens Mix: Chocolate Powder.

Osteo Bi-flex: If I have a sprain or hurt joints, this shit fixes it within 2 days. Glucosamine is a hell of a drug.

Protein: I LOVE Gatorade Protein Bars (Chocolate chip is my favorite), I drink a lot of milk, take probiotic yogurt shots, and eat plenty of meat and cheese. Occasionally I'll use protein powder.

I workout nearly every other day as I find it keeps my migraines at bay. I alternate between chest and arms, occasionally throwing back or cardio in. I don't do leg day, the closest I come to leg day is jogging at incline. My flat feet and knees aren't built for leg day, plus I get no enjoyment from it. I don't really fuck with the barbell, I use machines or dumbbells. I can lift pretty heavy and I'm hoping to gain more defined muscle. I need to focus more on abs and back than I do.

Also word of caution: The New Year's Resolutionists are usually filthy and disrespectful, so always wipe your toilet seat clean before you use it at the gym, or they'll give you a staph infection or ass pimples. Luckily, they peter out by mid February and stop crowding. One time I had a "Doo Doo or Die" moment and couldn't clean it in time, always happens in January.

I pride myself in cleaning the gym restroom better than when I entered and if it's late at night, I'll pick up after the tards.

 

[Wesker]

Yeah see a lot of that at my gym. It's very sad. I used to be naïve to it but once you know what people on steroids look like you can't stop noticing it. I think it's going to get worse. To me taking steroids would defeat the purpose of going to the gym.

And most of these guys cycle on and off all year. The risk outweigh the reward when you're potentially setting yourself up for a grab bag of cancers later in life.

 

[Tren Shapiro]

Ultimately Turkesterone turned out to be a big sham

I refused to eat ze bugs and then all the fitness influencers started trying to sell me bug steroids. Very clever but I'm not falling for it, Klaus.

Another thing: being not natty means being subject to not natty standards. An analogy: building the Great Wall of China was impressive because they only had ancient technology. It wouldn't be quite as impressive if someone did the same thing but with laser rangefinders and trucks. It's why people like liver king claim natty, it simply wouldn't be as impressive on roids.

The reason Liver King and the rest claim natty is to scam desperate men with their programs and supplements. There are only two grifts in fitness: Losing weight without any will power and getting steroid gains without any steroids.

 

[CowPox]

Today,

70lbs dumbell press 12x4
70lbs dumbell row 15x4

Also, rip Leo i hardly knew ye'.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

The reason Liver King and the rest claim natty is to scam desperate men with their programs and supplements. There are only two grifts in fitness: Losing weight without any will power and getting steroid gains without any steroids.

I fully agree with this, but i brought up the great wall of China analogy partly because of shit like untested powerlifting leagues (where other people judge you based on higher standards), but also because my sense of pride and accomplishment is a reason why I lift (which would be me judging myself on higher standards). It simply wouldn't be as satisfying to see my deadlift go up just because i upped the dose or started roids, for instance, and in my mind I'd still be just as mediocre as before.

 

[Vingle]

My flat feet and knees aren't built for leg day, plus I get no enjoyment from it

I didn't get enjoyment from doing legs in the past, but now I prefer that. And getting some decent size to the thighs and ass is pretty satisfying in itself. It justify the use of short shorts.
I do 485 lbs at leg press 4 reps, for those that think I'm still weak af.

I went to a more 'trendy' gym and it was like a nightclub, EDM music blasting, and everyone waiting for the benches.

Sounds a lot more appealing than my gym, which is full of middle aged to old people that seems to never have any progress and is eternally unfit. As it's impossible to not notice the regulars.

About the SARMS steroid debate. I'm only interested in SARMS, because I dunno where to get steroids. I'm aware that it has about the same side effects as steroids. I'm of course a noob in the subject matter and I don't really have any plans on doing it. Before I know more, as it's something you have to have damn good control over what to do. At least I think I know a little bit more than the SARMS goblins tho.

 

[ITK]

They certainly did. Eating testicles for virility and performance enhancement dates back to antiquity.

Lol. Liver King didn't get that big by scarfing down raw bull testacle. The idea that prairie oysters are somehow anabolic is a meme. Your bollocks produce your testosterone but virtually all of it is in the bloodstream, and what miniscule amount is present in the testacles will get broken down when you eat it anyway. It does nothing, except for being a good protein source like any other part of the animal.

And @Tren Shapiro is right, even the Ancient Greeks "doped" by consuming large amounts of meat, organ meats, and certain mushrooms to boost performance. Now we use pills, they used more natural drugs and what appears to be a way to try and get a lot of creatine and nutrients with meat.

Having a healthy diet is not "doping", don't be silly. Doping by by definition didn't exist in ancient Greece, which is why athletes lacking arete would have to resort to cheating by bribing judges and whatnot. Listen, I don's see your point here. Meat is not even close to comparable with steroids, and I think you know that. "Nutrients" are a bare necessity for life and are present in basically everything we eat, creatine also is naturally occuring (although I don't think in very effective doses), which is why you're still natural if you take it. That and the fact that it A) isn't very potent, and B) doesn't take away or replace anything from your own biological system with an artifical product. Anabolic steroids did not exist until testosterone was first synthesized in the 1930s, and did not become cheap or commonplace in bodybuilding until the 50s. All the greats of the Bronze and Silver Era, and all those ancient Hellenes, in their athleticism and beauty, were all completely natural.

 

[Vingle]

Having a healthy diet is not "doping", don't be silly. Doping by by definition didn't exist in ancient Greece

They obviously didn't know then. People in Victorian era did crush up mummies, because they thought it had healing properties to ingest it.
In China, they still believe some weird foods have magical properties. Even though its all bogus.

 

[Tren Shapiro]

Lol. Liver King didn't get that big by scarfing down raw bull testacle.

Chugging balls is the secret 10th Ancestral Tenet.

Your bollocks produce your testosterone but virtually all of it is in the bloodstream, and what miniscule amount is present in the testacles will get broken down when you eat it anyway. It does nothing, except for being a good protein source like any other part of the animal.

The argument isn't whether they were effectively using steroids. They were juicing the only way they knew how. If Nazi science had existed back then, everyone at the Olympics would've looked like Dragon Ball Z characters.

Doping by by definition didn't exist in ancient Greece

It by definition did. Why would athletes, and only athletes, not be using the drugs they had back then?

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

The argument isn't whether they were effectively using steroids. They were juicing the only way they knew how. If Nazi science had existed back then, everyone at the Olympics would've looked like Dragon Ball Z characters.

My point that the ancients didn't have anything as powerful as we do still stands. What they had was probably more akin to what we'd call "supplementation". In fact I'd argue that even pre-workout + creatine + good diet is gonna be more powerful than anything they had because of modern refining and synthesizing technology allowing you to achieve higher concentrations of stuff at cheaper prices.

Add to that the fact that food is generally cheaper and we know how much protein and such is in the food (and is optimal to eat) and the fact that we can just get herbs and shit from ANY CORNER OF THE GLOBE and that leaves the ancients IN THE DUST.

Do you know how much creatine there is in beef? It's like 5 grams on the kilo. That's ONE GENEROUS SCOOP. Do you know how much testosterone there are in balls? According to this, in human testicles its next to FUCK-ALL, not even considering that you might not even absorb all of it. Apply the same pattern to a LITANY OF OTHER SUBSTANCES, herb extracts, caffeine etc and you see why I say the ancients are IN THE DUST.

Now that I have established that we get better shit than the ancients could fucking DREAM OF, I'm gonna ask WHY EXACTLY DO WE CONSIDER TREN A PED BUT DRIED BALLS TO BE A SUPPLEMENT?

The short answer is that it simply does not have the sheer impact that the PED does have. Younkeep hearing about differences in natty vs enhanced training, that the roiders recover faster, grow faster, might have muscles that outgrow the tendons and so on. But if you ask the same exact question about people who drink pre workout vs people who don't you'll probably come up with "people who drink pre workout can rest 30 seconds less" or some shit. And the impact real PEDs have was not achieved by the ancients. IMAGINE THE MOUNTAIN OF BALLS AN ANCIENT WOULD HAVE TO SCARF DOWN EVERYDAY JUST TO EQUAL AN ANAVAR TABLET.