Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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Alright folks, i guess I need advice:

I'd been on a cut recently, and also radically raised RPEs and working sets. This was probably not a good idea, as my shoulder joint has been acting up.

It started with a feeling like something popped like cracking a knuckle during a set of chest press last week, then a small, sharp pain. It's been aggravated every time I do a pushing movement, the following have gotten it to act up:
-flat dumbbell chest press
-incline dumbbell chest press
-dumbbell shoulder press
-arnold press (to a lesser degree)
-dips
-pushups
Note that I have NOT tried equivalent movements with a machine or barbell
What do you guys think it could be and what the fuck do i do? I don't want my chest/shoulder/tricep gains to die.
 
Took a 10 day vacation to Thailand recently, beautiful country. Was in Phuket, so unfortunately the nearby gyms were closed for Songkran. Missed my chance to work out with a cool German bodybuilder and get toasted after. -_- Life is unfair my friends. Had to make do with my shit resort gyms.

Gains didn't go on holiday though, when I got back got right back into the swing of things. On my second week back in the gym, training is going pretty well. Feeling some serious gains are around the corner on my presses. Been putting in extra work on chest flyes and tricep work. Today I pulled 145kg for 3 sets of 4, good tempo and form. 4 plates is in sight on the deadlift. Hit 2 sets of 8 for box squats at 2 plates today. This Wednesday I've got a big squat coming up, aiming for a 140kg single. Will be a PR when I get it.

Alright folks, i guess I need advice:

I'd been on a cut recently, and also radically raised RPEs and working sets. This was probably not a good idea, as my shoulder joint has been acting up.

It started with a feeling like something popped like cracking a knuckle during a set of chest press last week, then a small, sharp pain. It's been aggravated every time I do a pushing movement, the following have gotten it to act up:
-flat dumbbell chest press
-incline dumbbell chest press
-dumbbell shoulder press
-arnold press (to a lesser degree)
-dips
-pushups
Note that I have NOT tried equivalent movements with a machine or barbell
What do you guys think it could be and what the fuck do i do? I don't want my chest/shoulder/tricep gains to die.
Are there any pulling motions that cause it to get aggravated, like reverse flyes, band pullaparts, or facepulls? It's possible you've torn some cartilage or a tendon relating to your front delt. You will probably need to let it alone for a week to three, and get it checked out. I lost months of gains on presses and barely held on to my existing strength because I wouldn't just take a break for a few weeks and come back to it later. You will probably lose strength and a bit of muscle taking a break, but you will get it back real quick and easy. Maybe don't try to get 'creative' and do movements that minimize the strain. I'd say just take a break.
 
Are there any pulling motions that cause it to get aggravated, like reverse flyes, band pullaparts, or facepulls?
It's been aggravated by no pulling movements - I've done facepulls, rows, pullups and none have been problematic.
It's possible you've torn some cartilage or a tendon relating to your front delt.
That's my first guess too.
You will probably need to let it alone for a week to three, and get it checked out. I lost months of gains on presses and barely held on to my existing strength because I wouldn't just take a break for a few weeks and come back to it later. You will probably lose strength and a bit of muscle taking a break, but you will get it back real quick and easy. Maybe don't try to get 'creative' and do movements that minimize the strain. I'd say just take a break.
I'm probably gonna leave it alone till this time next month, then start some low rpe-high rom stuff on it. Might do tricep pushdowns in the meantime, since they arent problematic
 
Alright folks, i guess I need advice:

I'd been on a cut recently, and also radically raised RPEs and working sets. This was probably not a good idea, as my shoulder joint has been acting up.

It started with a feeling like something popped like cracking a knuckle during a set of chest press last week, then a small, sharp pain. It's been aggravated every time I do a pushing movement, the following have gotten it to act up:

Yeah I used to get those shoulder/rotator cuff pains often. What I started doing is warming up the joints and doing things like face pulls to get external rotation with the shoulder. Try to keep your shoulders rotated outwards when you chest exercises too a lot healthier.
 
Hit 3 sets of 7 at 77.5kg last night on bench, proud of myself. Pushing through that 2plate wall. Kept grinding through the rest, but I still fucking suck at chinups. I usually do those after the press, but the station was occupied so I did rows, curls, and standing arnold presses first, so I did come at them significantly fatigued. Managed a decent 15 minute run also, and got a nice reward this morning when I saw I was back down to 95kg. 10 more to go till I'm at my goal weight, then I can focus on recomp and eating like a normal fucking human again.

Tips on performing squats and deadlifts for people with scoliosis? Preferably ones that aren't "Don't do them"?
I imagine the problem is loading your spine, and this will significantly limit your loading potential on these exercises. You could always try stuff like goblet squats and front squats to avoid the direct loading and keep the weight manageable, but spinal posture is such a critical factor for these exercises you might be best off looking for combinations and alternatives to target the muscle groups a bit more safely. Romanian deadlifts are an ok alternative where you'll be working lighter than you would with the conventional deadlift. Make sure you've got a good, tight belt and your form is rock fucking solid at very light weights.

You could consider leg presses to manage the spinal loading problem, it's not the 'gold standard' for leg development but it does work. Leg extensions similarly will blow up your quads, and can be done single legged to avoid any imbalances. Prone and seated hamstring curls and glute ham raises will help you manage the rest of your legs. You can do donkey calf raises or just ride a bike a lot to develop your calves. Your traps you can probably work directly with shrugs and carries. You can also do pullthroughs to maximize your glute development, they're a killer isolation. And back hyperextensions, if you do them lightly, will help you finish out the deadlift's chain of muscles used.
 
Tried the Hack squat for the first time today, after nice and cozy ramped sets of regular squats. I do not have the massive hamstrings nor the excess mobility to do the Platz thing where go atg and then push the legs forward to go even lower, but it is nice to get some extreme range of motion in and to destroy the muscle.
 
Yesterday I chickened out and didn’t go since my buddy couldn’t make it to spot me but today he did and I crushed it. I’d never repped at 140kg before so I was a bit nervous but it was easier than I expected. Now I’m truly in the 3pl8 club in squats, did two singles back to back with like no rest, just reracked and decided to go for it again. Tomorrow is upper, pretty excited.
 
Tips on performing squats and deadlifts for people with scoliosis? Preferably ones that aren't "Don't do them"?
Do some reading on Lamar Gant and get after that shit. Yeah, you get dealt a shitty hand. Didn't stop him and it shouldn't stop you.

Work with a coach if you can. At a minimum record your sets so you can evaluate what needs to change as your capabilities evolve. Get obsessive about it and you will see there's much you can do and it will always be worth your time.
 
Nigga be playing 5 dimensional chess.
No fat chicks, no crazy chicks, she'll have similar passions to you, all with one question.
I don't know guys, on one hand (obviously) lol dyel at this girl for not being able to do a pushup, and the mindset that you're not gonna go to the gym unless you're already strong is only for the weak.

BUT there's a kinda sentiment i keep seeing on insta and shit, its basically the general "lifting is everything" mindset, like, it's the only thing needed for self-improvement, and you dont need any other hobbies etc, add to that seemingly an imperious sense of superiority and yeah... they might not be fat but I would not have sex with them. More often than not they kinda come across as fools whos only redeeming quality is muscle mass.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying the guy mentioned is one of those (but he potentially could be), NOR do I deny lifting is good in general. All I'm saying is that Lifting Enslavement Syndrome is lolcow worthy.
 
DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying the guy mentioned is one of those (but he potentially could be), NOR do I deny lifting is good in general. All I'm saying is that Lifting Enslavement Syndrome is lolcow worthy.
You aren't wrong, it's like the women who disguise their eating disorders by "I just have a dedicated exercise regime, guys, I can't miss even one day!"
 
All I'm saying is that Lifting Enslavement Syndrome is lolcow worthy.
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree. If exercise were a pill it would be the most prescribed medication in the world. Diet and exercise cure a litany of medical issues that are too long for me to list here. I know an 82 year old man who survived a car crash that broke his chest, half of his ribs, and his ankle because he exercises everyday. He also eats brussel sprouts for breakfast everyday. It’s important enough that everyone should be doing it and if it is your only hobby then odds are you will still outlive most everyone who took up arts and crafts instead.
 
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree. If exercise were a pill it would be the most prescribed medication in the world. Diet and exercise cure a litany of medical issues that are too long for me to list here. I know an 82 year old man who survived a car crash that broke his chest, half of his ribs, and his ankle because he exercises everyday. He also eats brussel sprouts for breakfast everyday. It’s important enough that everyone should be doing it and if it is your only hobby then odds are you will still outlive most everyone who took up arts and crafts instead.
Essentially your point here is:
- exercise is beneficial
- a lot of people arent doing it enough
- other hobbies do not have the same physical benefits
Lifting is beneficial, and I do acknowledge that in my original post, but I suppose I wasn't clear enough: I agree with everything you said, it's just that (like a lot of things) people take it to extremes:
- Eating vegetables and being somewhat concerned with animal welfare: Normal
- Militant vegans: lunatics

- Voting Clinton/Biden at the election, donating to the campaign: Normal
- 72 tweets a day on how bad trump is, plastering Clinton/Biden stickers on everything, screaming into the sky when the election results are released: Trump Derangement Syndrome

- Lifting 3-6x a week, making sure you generally eat healthy: Normal
- Spiraling into madness because you missed a session, being unable to eat a meal unless you at least vaguely guesstimate the macros: Lifting Enslavement Syndrome, as I'd called it
As @NoReturn put it it's also potentially eating disorder fuel.
There's also the question of "do you lift to improve the rest of your life, or do you live to lift", which leads into my other point in the first point: the fools who seem to believe lifting is the only self-development you need.

There's quite a few tiktok videos I've seen which implies that the OP would simply eat protein and lift all day if they could. There's at least one where the OP proposes a school (which they propose naming "Muscle University") where you learn about bodybuilding, homework is PRs and the cafeteria serves only high protein food. Yes, these tie in with the first point, but what I also notice is the proposed lack of non-physical development.
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(I wonder why I hear this quote so much less than Socrates and "It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable")
Everybody here agrees with the 2nd part of the quote, but here I draw attention to the first. You say I'd live longer than a guy who only did crafts and arts if I only lifted; I say FUCKING DO BOTH.
If the only part of the human experience you value is lifting, you're undervaluing everything else. If I asked you what you'd do if you couldnt go to the gym don't tell me "I'll do pullups and stuff in the park" or "I have a home gym". What if you got ran over by a car and now you're wheelchair bound for a few months?

Finally it's the fact that the guy seems incompatible with the people who aren't as obsessed with lifting as him. Same fucking deal as deranged SJWs or Vegans who have a "with us or against us" mentality
 
Lifting is beneficial, and I do acknowledge that in my original post, but I suppose I wasn't clear enough: I agree with everything you said, it's just that (like a lot of things) people take it to extremes:
This is because becoming physically stronger and more capable is like a drug. I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect such behaviors are hardwired into brains of humans, especially men. You do these things and your brain rewards you because such behaviors contribute to one's longevity and breeding capacity. Hit a PR in the gym and while you may be damn physically uncomfortable. you walk to your car feeling good. Ever absolutely decimated an opponent in a fight? Like, I'm talking they don't get up after, either because you broke them good or they're dead. Real similar feeling to hitting a lifting or running PR. Harvest game successfully on a hunt? Same thing. If you could somehow bottle a chemical solution that could allow people to feel what I'm talking about, you'd be the first legit trillionaire in human history, easy.

Point is, the feelings these activities elicit can easily lend themselves to obsessive, destructive extremes.
If the only part of the human experience you value is lifting, you're undervaluing everything else. If I asked you what you'd do if you couldnt go to the gym don't tell me "I'll do pullups and stuff in the park" or "I have a home gym". What if you got ran over by a car and now you're wheelchair bound for a few months?
What if someone's artistic expression is themselves, and that's why they're in the gym so often? I'm not suggesting you're wrong in your assessment here, only suggesting another perspective to consider.
 
What are some good alternatives to bent-over barbell row? It’s my least favorite exercise, the movement just doesn’t feel good to me.
For a sorta similar movement that isnt so autistic with the lower back: yates row (basically the bent over row but only bent over 45 degrees), kroc row (you can use your other hand for support), or you could use a bench or something to support your chest (pictured below)
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If the problem is with hand positioning, you're in luck, since i recently farted out a solution: take a D grip handle (with a CLOTH strap as pictured below), thread the bar through them, and twist 90-180 degrees (so it doesnt slip), so you can have a neutral grip (or parallel to the bar in the case of a 90 degree twist). It also has the side effect of allowing you to pull further without the bar colliding with your chest. You could also use dumbbells, but if you use big ones they just might collide with your chest. I forgot to mention: Consider cables.
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