Weight loss support thread

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I can get support here, right? For weight loss?

After three months of more or less steady weight loss, going at around 1.5kg per month, not eating anything sugary and sticking to 16/8 intermittent fasting (which has been a big help), I fell off the wagon badly yesterday and put on around 1kg in one day. I know weight fluctuates and I hope some of that is just resident extra mass in my digestive tract, but still I splurged. I've achieved a lot of my weight loss through good planning. I avoid having anything I don't want to eat in the house, I work out meals in advance. The structure has made it a lot easier to eat healthily. Social reasons threw out my structure this week as I have been baking stuff for some people and I'm trying to get it right. Meaning I have practice bakes all around the house. And it feels wrong to throw out food, always has.

I don't want to give up baking - I'm good at it and I've done it for a long time and people like what I make when I arrive with it. But I'm not sure I trust myself now to actually do this. And unfortunately I am not perfect so I do need to practice desserts, etc. before I can give them to people.

I knew there would be a setback at some point and I said previously when there was I wasn't going to let it be some devastating give up point but just immediately pick up where I left off and resume losing weight. So that's what I'm now doing. Have planned out a nice salad for lunch. Just wish it wouldn't rain so much so I could go for a hike. :/
 
Overly Serious dijo:
I fell off the wagon badly yesterday and put on around 1kg in one day. I know weight fluctuates and I hope some of that is just resident extra mass in my digestive tract, but still I splurged.
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Don’t be too hard on yourself, as my wife says as long as your weight is trending downwards a bad day here and there won’t make much difference. That 1kg is most definitely not 1kg of fat, it’s probably food and water weight. What I’ve also noticed anyway is that my biggest weight drops are always after a weekend where I’m not tracking or a big cheat meal. Your weight goes up slightly then there’s a big drop afterwards, I’ve read you gotta keep your metabolism on its toes anyway. It’s true for me at least, just get back to your routine and you’ll be fine.
 
Overly Serious dijo:
And it feels wrong to throw out food, always has.
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Big mood. Growing up poor and not wanting to waste food has fucked up my cuts more often than hunger or impulsivity, it's not even close. Consider finding more people to offload your food onto -- if not friends, family or coworkers, maybe a church or charity or something, I don't know. It can't be hard to find people willing to eat baked goods.
 
Homofascism dijo:
Don’t be too hard on yourself, as my wife says as long as your weight is trending downwards a bad day here and there won’t make much difference. That 1kg is most definitely not 1kg of fat, it’s probably food and water weight. What I’ve also noticed anyway is that my biggest weight drops are always after a weekend where I’m not tracking or a big cheat meal. Your weight goes up slightly then there’s a big drop afterwards, I’ve read you gotta keep your metabolism on its toes anyway. It’s true for me at least, just get back to your routine and you’ll be fine.
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dick brain dijo:
Big mood. Growing up poor and not wanting to waste food has fucked up my cuts more often than hunger or impulsivity, it's not even close. Consider finding more people to offload your food onto -- if not friends, family or coworkers, maybe a church or charity or something, I don't know. It can't be hard to find people willing to eat baked goods.
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Thanks, both. I will never tire of KiwiFarms and the way I can get such helpful and supportive posts from people named things like Dick Brain and Homofascism. Always brings a smile to my face.

@Homofascism Yes, you were right. I've likely certainly gained weight through it but weighing myself after the morning's unburdening, I was down by 0.8kg. So a lot of it food and water weight, as you said. That's interesting about saying you have to keep your metabolism on its toes. I found it relatively natural to eat less yesterday after having that splurge. So it seems that I've managed being tipped instantly into the old way of over-eating swings from this one instance. Thanks for the encouragement.

@dick brain Thanks - you get it. I didn't grow up dift poor or anything, but it wasn't a household where you were supposed to waste food and there have been points in my life where I couldn't afford to eat. I've got some people I can offload it too, though not always available. I'll maybe plan my practice bakes a bit better to coincide with when I'll see it. The issue is that they're practice bakes so I kind of want them to be right before I share them. But I guess I'm over-thinking it and people will understand if I keep telling them "this isn't right, yet!"

In other good news, I have found a partner to do weight training with. That always helps with sticking to an exercise program. I know building muscle mass is supposed to be incompatible with weight loss which has always confused me a little (more muscle = burn more fat!) so the other week I got a tape measure and took waist and other measurements. If my weight stays the same but my waist gets less, that's still a win. (Realistically, you'd never gain as much muscle as you lose fat, but as an illustration of what I mean)
 
Currently 40 days into a ketogenic diet + IF 4/20 funny, but I've broken the fast on two occasions where I become highly panicked late at night when I try to sleep, and eat leafy greens + nuts out of the immediate fear it's because I didn't eat enough. I've had a history of panic disorder (unmedicated), but before going on this diet, my complications had all but completely disappeared. There's no more stress in my life than usual, so I find it pretty odd that the first one happened literally in the first week (which I chocked up to keto flu) and the one that happened just the other day strangely after I had adjusted to consuming virtually no carbs.

I wonder if anyone's had an experience with that, on any diet for that matter. Could it be a sign that I need to eat more in general or is it some kind of nutrient deficiency which is easy to suffer on keto? I really like this diet because what plan is going to lose you 20 pounds in one month with minimal exercise AND curb your hunger? Don't wanna consult a doctor out of fear all they're gonna is go "Keto???? No, that diet kills you!" or some bullshit because what little he did learn about nutrition in med school 20 years ago was the status-quo.

This isn't a massive deal, but I can't call in a sick day every time this happens because I couldn't sleep, not to mention the experience itself is a nightmare.
 
Silly Corgan dijo:
Currently 40 days into a ketogenic diet + IF 4/20 funny, but I've broken the fast on two occasions where I become highly panicked late at night when I try to sleep, and eat leafy greens + nuts out of the immediate fear it's because I didn't eat enough. I've had a history of panic disorder (unmedicated), but before going on this diet, my complications had all but completely disappeared. There's no more stress in my life than usual, so I find it pretty odd that the first one happened literally in the first week (which I chocked up to keto flu) and the one that happened just the other day strangely after I had adjusted to consuming virtually no carbs.

I wonder if anyone's had an experience with that, on any diet for that matter. Could it be a sign that I need to eat more in general or is it some kind of nutrient deficiency which is easy to suffer on keto? I really like this diet because what plan is going to lose you 20 pounds in one month with minimal exercise AND curb your hunger? Don't wanna consult a doctor out of fear all they're gonna is go "Keto???? No, that diet kills you!" or some bullshit because what little he did learn about nutrition in med school 20 years ago was the status-quo.

This isn't a massive deal, but I can't call in a sick day every time this happens because I couldn't sleep, not to mention the experience itself is a nightmare.
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I've no experience with that per se, but I've found with my new eating habits that initially there were spike moments where my body seemed to want to revert to old eating patterns. I don't know if some specific event or thought triggered them. They still happen sometimes. It's a bit like having moved house and occasionally you suddenly think you should be driving the old route or want to walk into a room that isn't there anymore.

If it's just occasional sudden feelings of this rather than a constant feeling of not being right, then maybe it's panic like you. Identify any triggers for it if you can. I intermittent fast as well and being reasonably regular about meal times helps reassure my body everything is under control. I do 16/8 - feels a lot more maintainable and less of a radical shock.
 
PointOfNoReturnPoint dijo:
Anyone else here done dnp? My friend did at one point but idk where he's at anymore ( unrelated to dnp...maybe ).
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2,4-dinitrophenol? Supposedly it works (basically it malfunctions your body into burning fat for heat instead of energy), but if you get the dose wrong it will kill you stone fucking dead. It's on my list if I ever hit Boogie2988 tier fat, but not seriously.

E: Way it works is it causes your cells to constantly burn energy and waste it on heat. This naturally leads to a shitload of fat loss as your body almost immediately starts pulling from your fat stores and doesn't stop, exercize not needed as your body is doing the same thing at a cellular level. But that heat has to go somewhere and the only place it has to go is the rest of your body. Which includes your organs and brain, both of which have a tendency to die if they get too hot. Reading up on the various biohacking reddits every so often someone mentions it's great and works (or worked for them) but it's always followed by a "but it has a good chance of killing you" disclaimer.
 
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Overly Serious dijo:
So a lot of it food and water weight, as you said.
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It's good to keep in mind that a kg of fat is about 7,700 kcals (3,500 per pound for us Muricans), so you'd have to eat almost 10,000kcals to truly gain a kg of fat in one day assuming your maintenance cals are a little over 2,000. It's actually good for your body to have minor calorie fluctuations so your metabolism doesn't take too great of a hit, as someone already mentioned.
 
HTTP Error 404 dijo:
2,4-dinitrophenol? Supposedly it works (basically it malfunctions your body into burning fat for heat instead of energy), but if you get the dose wrong it will kill you stone fucking dead. It's on my list if I ever hit Boogie2988 tier fat, but not seriously.

E: Way it works is it causes your cells to constantly burn energy and waste it on heat. This naturally leads to a shitload of fat loss as your body almost immediately starts pulling from your fat stores and doesn't stop, exercize not needed as your body is doing the same thing at a cellular level. But that heat has to go somewhere and the only place it has to go is the rest of your body. Which includes your organs and brain, both of which have a tendency to die if they get too hot. Reading up on the various biohacking reddits every so often someone mentions it's great and works (or worked for them) but it's always followed by a "but it has a good chance of killing you" disclaimer.
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I know how it works but was wondering if anyone else other than my lost buddy has used it. It's a supercharger for weight loss yeah but that whole "you can die" is overblown. You can take too many aspirin and die.
 
PointOfNoReturnPoint dijo:
I know how it works but was wondering if anyone else other than my lost buddy has used it. It's a supercharger for weight loss yeah but that whole "you can die" is overblown. You can take too many aspirin and die.
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It doesn't sound great to me. If you just take it for a day or two - which sounds like an uncomfortable couple of days, tbh, then it's only going to burn off some fat temporarily. Which your body will then demand you make good on by making you hungry enough to rebound. If you keep on taking it day after day, even if risk of an OD is low as was claimed, it can't be good for your health. And if you're not actually dieting, you'll probably just start eating more to compensate. And if you are dieting, then why isn't that sufficient?

I wouldn't touch it personally. Even if it works short term, the only effective weight loss, short of surgery, is something you can do long-term. And I wouldn't want to be jacking my cells up like that month after month.

I'm not a doctor, haven't researched it. That's just my initial, natural reaction to the description.
 
Overly Serious dijo:
It doesn't sound great to me. If you just take it for a day or two - which sounds like an uncomfortable couple of days, tbh, then it's only going to burn off some fat temporarily. Which your body will then demand you make good on by making you hungry enough to rebound. If you keep on taking it day after day, even if risk of an OD is low as was claimed, it can't be good for your health. And if you're not actually dieting, you'll probably just start eating more to compensate. And if you are dieting, then why isn't that sufficient?

I wouldn't touch it personally. Even if it works short term, the only effective weight loss, short of surgery, is something you can do long-term. And I wouldn't want to be jacking my cells up like that month after month.

I'm not a doctor, haven't researched it. That's just my initial, natural reaction to the description.
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You can take doses that are apparently "sides free" on the low side to boost metabolism. The people that get the side effects are people that go into the higher mg/kg range so that they practically have a vacuum cleaner on their ass for fat.

If you just want to supercharge your results then their really is no issue. If you wanted to eat like shit and lose weight you are going to rebound for sure but thats not everyone. This is steroids for weight loss essentially. It can be treated as a shortcut or an enhancer.
 
PointOfNoReturnPoint dijo:
You can take doses that are apparently "sides free" on the low side to boost metabolism. The people that get the side effects are people that go into the higher mg/kg range so that they practically have a vacuum cleaner on their ass for fat.

If you just want to supercharge your results then their really is no issue. If you wanted to eat like shit and lose weight you are going to rebound for sure but thats not everyone. This is steroids for weight loss essentially. It can be treated as a shortcut or an enhancer.
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Well as I said, I'm not expert on this and I'm not going to try and argue a case against someone on it, but for me if I want to boost my metabolism I do some light fasting or some morning weight training. I stand by what I said that I wouldn't want to take anything like this on an ongoing basis unless I had to and if it's not on an ongoing basis then it's not a long term solution to weight loss. It could well make things worse as your body is going to want to eat more to compensate and if it really is "steroids for weight loss" as you claim, it would be very easy to get into the habit of over-eating which comes back double when you stop. Wouldn't touch it myself if I could help it.
 
To those looking for a free food tracking app that has nearly everything a person would realistically need, I would recommend Cronometer. It's got food scanning; you can adjust your macro ratios however you'd like; you can create custom recipes; favorite frequently eaten foods; and it's pretty simple to use. It seemed like every other app I tried had at least one major thing locked behind a paywall that made it effectively useless. It's got ads, but they've never been obnoxiously intrusive. For the price, you can't really beat it.
 
Robert Fagot dijo:
To those looking for a free food tracking app that has nearly everything a person would realistically need, I would recommend Cronometer. It's got food scanning; you can adjust your macro ratios however you'd like; you can create custom recipes; favorite frequently eaten foods; and it's pretty simple to use. It seemed like every other app I tried had at least one major thing locked behind a paywall that made it effectively useless. It's got ads, but they've never been obnoxiously intrusive. For the price, you can't really beat it.
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I should probably try a food scanning app. So much of my diet is made from scratch though that I'd work out a lot of it by hand anyway. Any advantages to a food tracker if you're not scanning the food? Can you save regular meals that one enters yourself? I presume so?
 
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