Was school always full of grooming?

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Pretending it's not clownworld:

Ngmi

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

When I was in high school, we read the Crucible.

By that time, I understood that the "red scare" was not as unreasonable as libtards make it out to be, and in fact, was mostly validated by declassified documents that came out of the Soviet Union.

At the same time, my teacher talked about other "witch hunts" like one in the UK about pedophiles, and how that was supposedly a bad thing. My teacher was also visibly upset or bemused when I said that McCarthy wasn't completely wrong or unreasonable, and that communist subversion is actually a real threat, unlike a bunch of idiots mixing herbs together and chanting to their nonexistent gods.

Ten years before the "grooming" issue would hit the mainstream, the schools were already priming us to distrust the notion that there were secret combinations at work that sought to destroy society from within, whether they were communist or pedophilic in nature.

 

[Wormy]

By that time, I understood that the "red scare" was not as unreasonable as libtards make it out to be, and in fact, was mostly validated by declassified documents that came out of the Soviet Union.

It was still blown up out of proportion though.

Fer fuck's sake, dude, "It's a Wonderful Life" was considered Communist propaganda by McCarthy's squad.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

There was always some element of indoctrination involved.

I grew up in a purple-red area politically, and remember in elementary school learning all about the O-Zone layer, saving the whales, stopping deforestation, Earth Day, and all that sort of stuff, from a strong pro-environmentalism perspective, bordering on hippie-ism. They unironically showed us the "Rainforest Rap" that says "by the year 2000 [the rainforest] will all disappear...", in the year 2000.

Later on, in high school, I recall reading "The Invisible Knapsack" (about white privilege) at some point. In AP Literature, we were made to read Upton Sinclair's socialist work "The Jungle" and the feminist classic "A Handmaid's Tale". I took a sociology elective, since it was one of the only options I had in that time-slot, and that class was nothing but indoctrination. However, it was taught in such a simplistic way (the textbook was at a 7th-grade level, and the class was mostly vocabulary word searches) that the indoctrination was near-worthless. Still got to learn about how all the Social Justice stuff ties into critical theory and Marxism, though, since this was years before discussion of that topic was highly politicized and verboten.

Regardless, I'm not sure we were ever really asked to engage seriously with anything right-of-center. Except by my economics teacher, who liked to show us John Stossel videos in class sometimes. Also, in the 8th grade, state standards required that they teach us about Islam, its tenets, and how it is a "religion of peace". My highly conservative social studies teacher did so reluctantly, and as a counter-point, would read Bill O'Reilly For Kids to us at the end of each class period.

Overall, things weren't as overtly political in class back in the day, but teachers were still more progressive than the average, and that did work its way into their lessons sometimes. As a side note, I recall several classes (typically social studies, or oddly enough, health class) actually having political discussions that were civil on both sides, something that I don't think would be likely in today's environment. It was just a different time.

The Jungle was actually something I read when I was 20 or so on my own. It is actually something I don't particularly object to because...yeah, the working conditions in those plants were horrific for everyone - employee to consumer. I think it is an example of the excesses of unbridled capitalism. I am aware of the heavy socialist element of the book, but that doesn't take away from the capitalistic horrors presented. I can understand why the USDA was created based on the book, though the food standards weren't exactly the point.

As far as things going too far into degeneracy, when I was a junior in high school and in US history (as is required of most 11 graders in the US), our teacher was too lazy to teach us about the 60s, so instead had us all watch Hair, though with the caveat that we probably should not tell our parents that he showed us this. It became clear at fellatio and pededastry why he told us not to say anything. Big oof looking back on that as middle aged adult.

 

[trigger warning]

The Jungle was actually something I read when I was 20 or so on my own. It is actually something I don't particularly object to because...yeah, the working conditions in those plants were horrific for everyone - employee to consumer. I think it is an example of the excesses of unbridled capitalism. I am aware of the heavy socialist element of the book, but that doesn't take away from the capitalistic horrors presented. I can understand why the USDA was created based on the book, though the food standards weren't exactly the point.

Yeah, I don't necessarily object to it, either, and our teacher made it clear The Jungle was basically written as socialist propaganda, particularly in the last few chapters, where the characters go and devote their lives to Socialism. Still, my point was that they generally weren't having us read Ayn Rand (probably for the best), Robert Heinlein, CS Lewis, or much classical literature, instead focusing primarily on works by progressive and socialist authors. I can't really blame them for this, considering the relative dearth of good "conservative literature", but the book choices in the curriculum are something to take note of. I imagine that some districts nowadays don't even consider Sinclair or Orwell woke enough (or "too white") for their reading lists.

As far as things going too far into degeneracy, when I was a junior in high school and in US history (as is required of most 11 graders in the US), our teacher was too lazy to teach us about the 60s, so instead had us all watch Hair, though with the caveat that we probably should not tell our parents that he showed us this. It became clear at fellatio and pededastry why he told us not to say anything. Big oof looking back on that as middle aged adult.

Now that you mention it, I remember similar degeneracy from my middle school days: Our school choir (of which I was a part) watched the musical RENT in class, the one about gay people with AIDS. Then had to memorize and perform songs from it for the rest of the year. Alongside songs about saving the kids in Africa and music from Wicked. It's probably just the selection effect, but nearly everyone I know who stuck around with that stuff (theatre/choir kids) well into high school are hyper-woke progressives now, several having moved to the Left Coast to be with their kind, despite this area being relatively accepting and middle-of-the-road politically. Although maybe by Portland standards, we're a hateful hellhole that hates anybody who is different. In hindsight, that stuff was uncomfortably close to indoctrination, especially considering the repetitive nature of learning/practicing/performing songs. I still hear them pop into my head sometimes.

 

[Sealbaby]

the "red scare" was not as unreasonable as libtards make it out to be

You have it upside down
Bernie-style Leftists - anti-woke Leftists, anti-globalisation Leftists, anti-Israel Leftists, economic Leftists - are the actual political underdogs of the Western world
Not the religious Right
see: torture and massacre of labour organisers by the Italian Blackshirts and German Freikorps, the long list of killings of labour organisers in the US, the assassination of MLK Jr., Operation Mockingbird, Le Cercle/Pinay Group, Operation Gladio, Operation Condor, the CIA's role in Pinochet's coup in Chile, COINTELPRO, etc.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

You have it upside down
Bernie-style Leftists - anti-woke Leftists, anti-globalisation Leftists, anti-Israel Leftists, economic Leftists - are the actual political underdogs of the Western world
Not the religious Right
see: torture and massacre of labour organisers by the Italian Blackshirts and German Freikorps, the long list of killings of labour organisers in the US, the assassination of MLK Jr., Operation Mockingbird, Le Cercle/Pinay Group, Operation Gladio, Operation Condor, the CIA's role in Pinochet's coup in Chile, COINTELPRO, etc.

You seem to labor under the same delusion that TERFs labor under.

"liberal" or "woke" feminism isn't the problem, feminism in general is bullshit.

"woke" leftism isn't the problem, leftism is bullshit, full stop. And the immoral actions of your opposition doesn't make it any less harmful or retarded. That's whataboutism.

You gotta consider why exactly woke leftism won out in the end, and so-called "anti-woke" leftism died out. If your ideology is so easy to subvert, or dies out due to lack of interest, why the hell should I take it seriously in the first place?

I'm not the free-market fundamentalist I used to be, but at the same time, I don't really want to live in a society where I'm punished merely for owning property or for being better off than those around me.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

Yes, but

Pretending it's not clownworld:

Signal to noise. If everyone gets fed the same bullshit at least there's a way to filter it out and compare what is state propaganda. Shared experiences and narratives are necessary for society. State controlled bullshit 8 hours a day is probably better than what most kids with uninterested parents would learn otherwise. Look at all the countries without a public school system. They're all shitty back waters.

Usually those kids have jobs and are actively contributing towards their communities in some way shape or form. It's not perfect or even ideal really, but in some sense, they have a more stable educational channel in the form of learning a trade rather than being propagandized. And I say this as someone who is educated: education really should be for those who value it. Everyone else should just have an oppurtunity to work and contribute to their communities. We shouldn't force people to learn if they don't want to since it wastes our tax payer money and their time. They should just get basic education in the mathematical, linguistic/writing and social skills they need to do business and then be on their way to earn a paycheck. That's how society operated for thousands of years and really there is nothing fundamentally wrong with that model of education. If you want to become a scholar, then you should be encouraged to. If you don't, get enough of an education to do your job and start working.

 

[Niggernerd]

Hmmm i do remember the bush worship in school growing up but i always thought he looked like a monkee. Thankfully i was done with school around the middle of the egotistical niggers presidency so the hardcore leftoid shit was after my time.

 

[Gig Bucking Fun]

When I was in middle school, part of my reading material included a book about a homosexual grade schooler navigating his way through life.

Grooming students is not a recent development. Political agendas have been ingrained in our curriculums for decades now.

 

[Wormy]

"woke" leftism isn't the problem, leftism is bullshit, full stop. And the immoral actions of your opposition doesn't make it any less harmful or retarded. That's whataboutism.

So what do I do then? How can I earn validation in your eyes and not be bullshit?

 

[Tinfoil]

When I was in middle school, part of my reading material included a book about a homosexual grade schooler navigating his way through life.

Grooming students is not a recent development. Political agendas have been ingrained in our curriculums for decades now.

We need the right indoctrination though

 

[Sealbaby]

our teacher was too lazy to teach us about the 60s, so instead had us all watch Hair, though with the caveat that we probably should not tell our parents that he showed us this. It became clear at fellatio and pededastry why he told us not to say anything

Lmao, Hair. The New York literarati's open flirtation with sexual violence and pederasty, in the 1960s, was thoroughly memory-holed. Norman Mailer stabbed his wife near to death at a party. Lucien Carr murdered his gay stalker. Allen Ginsberg joined NAMBLA. Woody Allen (enough said.)

leftism is bullshit, full stop

Leftism is my ethnic tradition I'm retvrning to. My ancestors were poor miners who organised and striked at risk to themselves to win you the 8 hour workday, the weekend, and protections against you getting killed at work. Your ancestors were poor scabs and goons and toadies who sold my ancestors out for a few extra shekels. I don't really care what their great-great-grandchildren have to say.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

>paying attention in school and not ditching class to watch black kids worldstar on the school lawn

>going to a school with more than five or six monkeys in it

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

i always remember the gym teacher being stereotypical gay/groomer if it was a male and the music teacher being a THOT if it was a female.

no, never personally knew a teacher who did illegal shit but it seems to have gotten worse over the years or maybe they just dont bother hiding it anymore.

i remember one late zoomer telling me a story about their school principle inviting girls around the age 14-16 to sail on his privet boat and giving them booze. of course that secret did not last long.

 

[Skitarii]

i always remember the gym teacher being stereotypical gay/groomer if it was a male and the music teacher being a THOT if it was a female.

I've never had gay gym teachers, they were always just fat soon-to-be-retired farts. If the gym teacher was female she'd usually look like dykish soccer mom tho, and we'd take shots at her sexuality. Never met a single music teacher who wasn't a shrill banshee

 

[Dirk Willems]

School was full of propaganda when I was in it too, the main difference is that it was amateur. When my elementary school teacher suggested we do yoga and meditate to sitar music, it was weird and jarring, and any kid who wasn't already going that way would be jarred by how out of place it was. Same in other places, when we read The Giver, everyone I knew independently assessed it as retarded drivel. The main difference is that we've moved from a few lunatics pushing weird stuff to a well-oiled machine. They, whoever they are, have rounded all the rough edges so the propaganda goes down smooth. When a teacher tells the kids that they will be suspended for not wearing their mask, the kids still feel a gut reaction, but now everyone's in on it, including their fellow students, and sadly often their parents as well. After 12 years of that, most normal kids conclude that it's just easier to go along with it.

TL;DR
School has always had propaganda, it's just gotten more carefully planned.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

So what do I do then? How can I earn validation in your eyes and not be bullshit?

Give up on leftism. Negotiating for higher wages and better working conditions, or putting big business in its place, is one thing, being a full-blown leftist is another.

Like I said earlier, I don't want to live in a society where I'm punished merely for owning property or for being better off than those around me.

I also cannot take leftism seriously when it consistently fails because it's always subverted by "state capitalism" or by woke ideology, even in the short term. Almost as if leftism is merely a means by which state capitalists obtain power, by destroying their competition.

Not to mention Spain....

Even if the red scare was blown out of proportion, it wasn't completely unreasonable either.

Not to mention that my teacher mentioned a UK "pedophile scare" during the same discussions. Imagine thinking it's a bad thing to go hunting for pedophiles, especially when you find out they've been festering in the dark like cockroaches for God knows how long.

 

[Wormy]

Like I said earlier, I don't want to live in a society where I'm punished merely for owning property or for being better off than those around me.

Neither do I, and I never did...

 

[Johnny Salami]

My school was full of alcoholic teachers that promised us As if we could learn the subject ourselves and never talked unless they had to