Was school always full of grooming?

[Corpun]

Not referring to kiddy diddling/sex freaks telling kids they should be trannies, or sex pests diddling kids, I'm referring to propaganda.

When I was in school yeah there was a shift to Columbus was an evil white man who genocided the Indians but it wasn't overt fuck whitey nonsense. The most political school got was in middle school when they taught pro-choice and pro-life stances and no one understood what was what because no one gave a shit, same with vaccine stuff.

Was it always full of grooming for politics and I'm blind or did it just get very blatant in the last few years?

 

[Big Ruski]

I don't know, I was too busy ditching school lol

 

[TurdFondler]

Absolutely. The politics shifted, but school was always about indoctrinating kids. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's how you build a society.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's how you build a society.

I'm sure every society that predated public school would be surprised to hear that.

Mandatory public education is just the state's way of brainwashing your children. Burn it all down.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I finished high school in the 90s, in a more conservative suburb of a very liberal area. My parents were middle of the ground liberals and not religious, for reference points. Nonetheless, the pozzing in school started to become obvious the last few years I was in. It annoyed the shit out of me because it was obvious they were really reaching with a lot of stuff- the "great African kangdom" was obviously and conspicuously not as interesting or cool as ancient Rome or the Renaissance world but they tried to pretend it was all equal, for instance. Maya Angelou was clearly a shit tier writer but we were supposed to view her with deep reverence. I got yelled at by an English teacher for saying Robert Frost was a better poet (my dad's favorite- he was oddly cultured for a timber industry peon) and responded by writing a parody ditty mocking Angelou's style. I got in big trouble for that and had to be moved to another class because she hated me so much she would seethe whenever I walked into the room.

Still things were fairly normal and promoting of "the American democratic ideal" and I will always be grateful that I got to enjoy what were apparently the last couple years of that before the empire started falling apart.

 

[Skitarii]

>paying attention in school and not ditching class to watch black kids worldstar on the school lawn

 

[TurdFondler]

I'm sure every society that predated public school would be surprised to hear that.

Mandatory public education is just the state's way of brainwashing your children. Burn it all down.

School or not indoctrinating kids was normal. Cultural roles and all that. Mandatory public schools made sure, or at least tried to make sure, that there was not a literare ruling class that weaponized the language.

Even a 6th grade education makes you less susceptible to scams and more aware of the world around you. You can't have an advanced society if not everyone is literate.

 

[gang weeder]

School or not indoctrinating kids was normal. Cultural roles and all that. Mandatory public schools made sure, or at least tried to make sure, that there was not a literare ruling class that weaponized the language.

Even a 6th grade education makes you less susceptible to scams and more aware of the world around you. You can't have an advanced society if not everyone is literate.

And if attending public school makes you more likely to troon out, something has gone seriously wrong with the endeavor.

I went to high school approximately 15 years ago and there was none of this shit going on at all. Now I did also attend school in a relatively wealthy suburb of a conservative state, so I'm sure that was part of it. But I have to imagine it's simply gotten exponentially worse since I was in there, all over the country. For example if I went back in to my former high school today I would not be surprised at all if there were pride flags and BLM flags and kids being taught to troon and etc.

 

[trigger warning]

There was always some element of indoctrination involved.

I grew up in a purple-red area politically, and remember in elementary school learning all about the O-Zone layer, saving the whales, stopping deforestation, Earth Day, and all that sort of stuff, from a strong pro-environmentalism perspective, bordering on hippie-ism. They unironically showed us the "Rainforest Rap" that says "by the year 2000 [the rainforest] will all disappear...", in the year 2000.

Later on, in high school, I recall reading "The Invisible Knapsack" (about white privilege) at some point. In AP Literature, we were made to read Upton Sinclair's socialist work "The Jungle" and the feminist classic "A Handmaid's Tale". I took a sociology elective, since it was one of the only options I had in that time-slot, and that class was nothing but indoctrination. However, it was taught in such a simplistic way (the textbook was at a 7th-grade level, and the class was mostly vocabulary word searches) that the indoctrination was near-worthless. Still got to learn about how all the Social Justice stuff ties into critical theory and Marxism, though, since this was years before discussion of that topic was highly politicized and verboten.

Regardless, I'm not sure we were ever really asked to engage seriously with anything right-of-center. Except by my economics teacher, who liked to show us John Stossel videos in class sometimes. Also, in the 8th grade, state standards required that they teach us about Islam, its tenets, and how it is a "religion of peace". My highly conservative social studies teacher did so reluctantly, and as a counter-point, would read Bill O'Reilly For Kids to us at the end of each class period.

Overall, things weren't as overtly political in class back in the day, but teachers were still more progressive than the average, and that did work its way into their lessons sometimes. As a side note, I recall several classes (typically social studies, or oddly enough, health class) actually having political discussions that were civil on both sides, something that I don't think would be likely in today's environment. It was just a different time.

 

[tijuana gay hookers]

I don't think penis inspection day helped my psyche.

 

[Phimosis Jonisis]

Yes, but you were just too ugly for the teachers to go after

 

[Dom Cruise]

It's always been full of grooming, they just used to be a little more subtle about it.

But looking back on my memories of time in elementary school, later half of the 90s and very early 2000s reveal some interesting things.

For starters I remember how hard they leaned into teaching us about the holocaust in 5th grade, stories about German soldiers shooting babies etc, how all that was really relevant for a group of American kids circa 2000/2001 is really the question considering it happened in another country, in another part of the world in another era, why no talk of the Armenian genocide or the much more recent Rwandan genocide? It was all very politically motivated to brainwash us so hard in that stuff so early.

It also led to a hilariously awkward moment where they showed us some movie about the holocaust (no, it wasn't Schindler's List) which resulted in the teachers trying to fast forward through a scene where people strip their clothes off before going into a gas chamber, you can show and talk about people being murdered but don't let a bunch of 10 or 11 year olds see naked people lmao.

Another bizarre moment I remember is in third grade I think it was, the teacher reading us some poem that referred to God as a "her", the "WTF?" vibe in the room was palatable.

Lots of little things like that like contributing to the AIDS quilt (though I don't think anyone told us what AIDS was), it was always a very liberal institution.

I think the general idea was getting kids to be very trusting of government authority, to see it as something just as trustworthy, if not more so, than your own parents.

 

[TurdFondler]

And if attending public school makes you more likely to troon out, something has gone seriously wrong with the endeavor.

I don't disagree. The platonic ideal of a public school, where the unwashed masses get educated in arts and sciences is not what we have.

I leafed through a 6th grade textbook from 1910 once. It was a real eye opener. After studying it you would know everything you would need to run a farm on scientific principles of the day.

It went on about atmospheric composition, biology, weather, mathematics, physics, all of it with an eye for practical applications. It took me until probably 2nd year of uni to learn what was taught in 6th grade in 1910.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

School or not indoctrinating kids was normal.

Yes, of course. You have to teach children how to behave for the good of themselves and society. You don't want the state to do it, however. It's a fantastically stupid idea that has led to a world full of servile drones who think that they're open-minded and that they understand things because the state told them so.

Mandatory public schools made sure, or at least tried to make sure, that there was not a literare ruling class that weaponized the language.

When the Prussians developed the basis for all modern public schooling they pretty explicitly set out to teach everyone to read at a basic level of proficiency precisely so that they could be made to march in lockstep. I'm not saying that literacy isn't helpful, but when you look at the amount of people who know how to read well enough to be dictated to and no further, it should give you pause.

Burn it, salt the earth, and brand anyone involved on their foreheads.

 

[TurdFondler]

I like the idea of a state, the other alternatives are kind of shite

 

[Colon capital V]

I don't doubt that I was probably "groomed" with whatever political bullshit that was going on at the time during my days in middle/high school, but it's a good thing I forgot most of the shit the second I walked out of the building. lol

 

[Jason Wynn]

I was in high school from 1999-2003. It was nowhere near as overt and crazy as it is now, but it was there.

Obviously 9/11 brought out a lot of politically charged material. You’d hear a lot of the teachers slamming Bush, but I don’t recall Republican kids getting targeted by liberal teachers, it was just a matter of rolling your eyes and waiting for them to shut up and get on with the lesson again.

I remember in world lit classes it was feminist bullshit being pushed more than racial bullshit. Lot of Kate Chopin, lot of Edith Wharton. If you had a different analysis or take from a work that wasn’t “womyn good! Men bad!” you were marked down.

I feel sorry for kids in school these days. The stuff I remember was annoying but really kind of low key compared to the constant pulpit pounding kids must have to endure today.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I like the idea of a state, the other alternatives are kind of shite

It's the best of a series of poor choices, for sure. I do understand that the standards used to be measurably higher but I think it probably had more to do with parents actually giving a shit and striving towards knowledge themselves. The data (and experience) definitely indicates that if you want to predict whether a child will be able to read proficiently you need to know if their parents read to them and otherwise take an active interest. If they don't, good fucking luck.

All the rest of the kids whose parents don't care? Prime fodder for whatever bullshit you can slip into their heads.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

When I was in school, we had this class where everyone sat around grooming eachother like monkeys.

 

[TurdFondler]

All the rest of the kids whose parents don't care? Prime fodder for whatever bullshit you can slip into their heads.

Yes, but

Pretending it's not clownworld:

Signal to noise. If everyone gets fed the same bullshit at least there's a way to filter it out and compare what is state propaganda. Shared experiences and narratives are necessary for society. State controlled bullshit 8 hours a day is probably better than what most kids with uninterested parents would learn otherwise. Look at all the countries without a public school system. They're all shitty back waters.