Was Feminism a Mistake? - We going there

[ZazietheBeast]

Ain't it interesting that "Feminized"=Failure, and "Masculine"=Successful. Almost like one is inferior to the other despite the crying about how "They're just different!"

Alot of things go awry thanks to female nature when put in power. Look at family courts. 99% of the time, judges will side with the woman. Regardless if she was innocent or not.

Woman judge = trying to protect other women. Male Judge = simpery. If that type of dysfunction exists on that part of the government system, the rest of it must be far worse.

 

[Wormy]

So she has good income or what?

And the sex is really good,

 

[Roast Chicken]

No because I like having rights and don't want to lean on a man for material comforts and stability. If that means that I will be destitute and die alone then so be it; at least I did things my way.

 

[Wormy]

No because I like having rights and don't want to lean on a man for material comforts and stability. If that means that I will be destitute and die alone then so be it; at least I did things my way.

Careful with that self sufficiency and personal responsibility talk around here, it's not popular.

 

[gang weeder]

And the sex is really good,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QYHxGBH6o4M

My woman is an EMPOWERED SLUT! She's a TOTAL COOMER! Chuds COPING and SEETHING!

No because I like having rights and don't want to lean on a man for material comforts and stability. If that means that I will be destitute and die alone then so be it; at least I did things my way.

You got all your heckin rights half a century ago or even more. If that was the real story we wouldn't still be having this conversation

 

[Bananadana]

MT Foxtrot is part of the trolling/baiting crew. Do not bother interacting. He will never argue in good faith.

 

[Otterly]

I think the classical thought experiment is a good one here:
You are about to be reincarnated into a society YOU design. You have total freedom to chose everyone’s rights and the laws. But the catch is you have no idea where you get reincarnated. Could be man, woman, rich or poor. Now how do you design society?
Would you really want to be a woman in some godforsaken hellhole where you’re shoved in a hut during your period, raped with impunity or burned alive for insufficient dowry? Probably not.
So where is the line? My own ideal is having equal rights under law, but a more conservative society where a woman’s role as a mother is MORE respected. So if you wanted to work you could, nothing would stop a smart girl from being another Marie curie, but we stop the norm being both parents working, and the demonisation of anyone who just wants a family.
I suppose the problem then is that the slope is slippery. It’s a hard thing to even think, as a woman, that historical repression may have been ‘for a reason.’ Just like I don’t want anyone decent and gay to be harmed yet I see the liberalisation of sexual mores as a bad thing becasue it’s led to drag kids and trans insanity. Where is the line? Is society capable of NOT descending into the worst possible consequences of our actions?
It’s a deeper question than just shoving women back in the kitchen. It has things to say about how we control our worst impulses as humans. It also shows how movements are subverted and used and started to further ends like the destruction of family while being dressed up as freedom.
If we could go back to just before the spice girls, I think that would be a decently balanced point. Inspector morse prime era

 

[Gig Bucking Fun]

Any manmade ideology succumbs to retardation quickly. Any progressive equal rights movement eventually succumbs to greedy leaders who use the ideology as a banner to rally other likeminded individuals and use their power in numbers to satisfy their own agenda. No movement has ever not fallen in this trap.

 

[Otterly]

Women's rights are fine and all and if a woman doesn't want to land in a traditional role, that's her own problem. Championing the non-traditional post-modern woman is the mistake of feminism. Had it remained as a movement that protected the role women often have while also expanding the freedoms available to women, that would've been a different story. Pretty much any healthy normal functioning woman has the instinctual desire to fulfill the child-rearing and homemaking roles, not chase a career and work all day. Feminism should have empowered women to take that role and molded society to make it doable instead of forcing every household to be dual income.

Feminism feels vengeful. Of course, it would be, it's a woman's movement.

Yeah I agree. I have a job and kids and a home to run and it’s a lot. It’s too much really. Yet one income would leave us too vulnerable, so I can’t quit my job without large negative effects in my family. The trap of two working parents happened to expand the tax base, and probably was pushed by the kind of ideology that wants kids in state control. That benefits nobody decent.

Any manmade ideology succumbs to retardation quickly. Any progressive equal rights movement eventually succumbs to greedy leaders who use the ideology as a banner to rally other likeminded individuals and use their power in numbers to satisfy their own agenda. No movement has ever not fallen in this trap.

I suppose if you look at it that way society isn’t on a linear trajectory but a series of rises and crashes. Isn’t there some text about how women were judges in Baghdad before a society crash? Something like ‘when you’re ruled by women and foreigners your society is fucked.’
I am a woman and I don’t particularly fancy having no rights. I don’t like the modern way society views gender dynamics at all. I think women vote in a way that in average harms the society they live in.
Women work for immediate safety and appeasement on average. I see the emasculation of men as a consequence of this. Men are portrayed as bad and must be emasculated. That leads to short term safety, but mid and long term danger - who’s going to protect your society if all the men are noodle armed söy boys? What happens to your kids in a society where masculinity is deemed unhealthy? What happens to your society when you vote in politicians who encourage mass immigration?
Womens rights are as God given as mens. Feminism was a mistake.

 

[Sealbaby]

Always nice when a woman comes in and makes feminism out to be a mistake by saying something so unbelievable stupid.

If you want a lasting relationship with a woman you're actually going to have to learn to relate to them in some context other than a winner-takes-all let's-dunk-on-each-other forum where people are creatively horrible to each other.

You actually have to make yourself vulnerable by thinking about your own emotions and figuring out how things make you feel like just you would think and talk at work about this or that machine or system. Emotions, like machines, also have their own trajectory and logic that can be figured out - this is what philosophy and anthropology and psychology and literature are for.

If you don't want that, that's fine, just admit to yourself you don't want that and have fun in the kiddie pool of the life of the mind being a man's man among men. Just at least stop blaming your own emotions on women and blaming how other men see you on women. Take some responsibility for your own shit, everyone will respect you better.

 

[Wormy]

a more conservative society where a woman’s role as a mother is MORE respected

You ain't gonna get that under capitalism. Money talks, bullshit walks.

(And no, I am not a communist/socialist/ect, just don't go there)

Womens rights are as God given as mens. Feminism was a mistake.

Then what protects your rights? Do you just call upon God to enforce them?

MT Foxtrot is part of the dissenting opinion. He dares call us out and tells us to own up to our incel-tier shit takes and stop being mealy mouthed about it.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[Otterly]

Then what protects your rights? Do you just call upon God to enforce them?

Well I live in Europe so I don’t have any enshrined rights. But no, the ideal would be a constitutional bill of rights and an armed citizenry willing to die for them (men and womens rights both.) I mean the concept of inalienable rights, inherent rights, if you’re not a God person. The belief that humans are endowed with inalienable rights, such as freedom of thought, speech, belief and expression. Women have those rights as much as men do, if one believes in inalienable rights.
What protects our rights? We do. They’re there as long as people are willing to fight and die for them.
Don’t worry, womens rights are being removed by the trans lobby. We will all be relegated to the gulag pretty soon.

 

[Wormy]

But no, the ideal would be a constitutional bill of rights and an armed citizenry willing to die for them (men and womens rights both.)

Good solid start, I approve.

What protects our rights? We do. They’re there as long as people are willing to fight and die for them.

Precisely...now let's see if you keep down the road here....

Don’t worry, womens rights are being removed by the trans lobby. We will all be relegated to the gulag pretty soon.

...damn.

Not me, the White Hat Q's already have me on Their List. I'm noose bound in Gitmo long before any troons get ahold of me.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Keep in mind it requires two incomes to survive for a couple. There are few women who can still 'stay home' unless their husband is a high rank brain surgeon. You also forget there are ugly women who can not get by on their looks and need to work to support themselves. Women in the workforce is not a choice, it's a requirement. Feminism or no feminism it's 'work or fucking die' out there.

 

[Ser Prize]

Keep in mind it requires two incomes to survive for a couple. There are few women who can still 'stay home' unless their husband is a high rank brain surgeon. You also forget there are ugly women who can not get by on their looks and need to work to support themselves. Women in the workforce is not a choice, it's a requirement. Feminism or no feminism it's 'work or fucking die' out there.

Because of feminism collapsing the labour market and suppressing wages way back in the day, from which it has never recovered.

 

[Dom Cruise]

"Feminism" has nothing but contempt for femininity, it despises motherhood, female beauty, female virtues etc, it's profoundly mysoginistic at it's core, it' sees female traits as a terrible burden to be shunned and destroyed instead of a beautiful gift to be happy about.

So the answer is yes.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Because of feminism collapsing the labour market and suppressing wages way back in the day, from which it has never recovered.

Nah. Wage suppression started in the 1970's.

 

[Sealbaby]

"Feminism" has nothing but contempt for femininity, it despises motherhood, female beauty, female virtues etc, it's profoundly mysoginistic at it's core, it' sees female traits as a terrible burden to be shunned and destroyed instead of a beautiful gift to be happy about.

No, it's the FTMs who have contempt for femininity, by and large. Have you ever interacted with any serious feminists (such as, for instance, anyone who works in a rape crisis centre or domestic violence shelter? Most female social workers are also feminists. Ask them what they think about femininity.)

I wish my pink-collar field paid enough that I could afford to have a child without living paycheck to paycheck.
I might even have one anyway if there weren't so many people screaming at women to 1. have babies!!!, 2. DON'T have them if you (list of unreasonable expectations) because we will blame you for anything that goes wrong, 3. DON'T get an abortion.

The ancient greeks had this right when they said women were too prone to excessive emotion and hysterics to be trusted with making consistently rational decisions.

 

[LurkNoMore]

If you want a lasting relationship with a woman you're actually going to have to learn to relate to them in some context other than a winner-takes-all let's-dunk-on-each-other forum where people are creatively horrible to each other.

You actually have to make yourself vulnerable by thinking about your own emotions and figuring out how things make you feel like just you would think and talk at work about this or that machine or system. Emotions, like machines, also have their own trajectory and logic that can be figured out - this is what philosophy and anthropology and psychology and literature are for.

If you don't want that, that's fine, just admit to yourself you don't want that and have fun in the kiddie pool of the life of the mind being a man's man among men. Just at least stop blaming your own emotions on women and blaming how other men see you on women. Take some responsibility for your own shit, everyone will respect you better.

>Woman: (says something unbelievably stupid)
>Man: Thats unbelievably stupid!
>Woman: You can't get laid!

Tale as old as time.

 

[Sealbaby]

>Woman: (says something unbelievably stupid)
>Man: Thats unbelievably stupid!
>Woman: You can't get laid!

Tell as old as time.

I'm not talking about getting laid, I'm talking about having a meaningful and valuable emotional bond with a woman.

One does not necessarily imply the other.