Was Feminism a Mistake? - We going there

[mickey339]

"Feminism" has nothing but contempt for femininity

How?

 

[Ser Prize]

Women did not have full workforce participation in the 70's though. It was only like what, 25%? probably even less. Most of that was also clerical work.

Even now in Canada it's only 47% compared to 69% of men. There are still more men working than women here.

Yes, and wage stagnated started in the 70's. And as female work participation went up, wages went down.

 

[Wormy]

Well. I noticed how many people realized how much Feminism was a mistake so the answer really stands in a new cultural revolution

Wellp, considering how those tend to play out in terms of body counts, hope you got your wading boots on.

where people embrace traditional gender roles once again

Gonna suck for the girls especially.

while degenerated continuously get ridiculed but it would also require the destruction of the globalism ideology too.

Now how can one achieve that minor miracle?

 

[Wormy]

This is a fair point to make, one of the things that has gone wrong with the world is we've forgotten that there are some things more important than money,

There ain't.

Money is God now and Profit is his only begotten son, whether you acknowledge Him or not. In fact, not acknowledging him ironically gets you called a godless Communist. Money is so powerful, he Buffalo Bill'd Jehova and wears his skin in his house.

 

[Dom Cruise]

How?

They despise the very concept of pregnancy and motherhood to the point they have a complete meltdown at the possibility of abortion being illegal and their worst nightmare is a world where women are forced to get pregnant.

They despise female beauty and the female body to the point that they chop their own breasts off in some extreme cases or at the very least actively make themselves ugly looking and now forbid any appearances of female beauty in mass media.

They despise the idea of women naturally having some biological differences men that don't necessary make them inferior, just different, they see these differences as inferiorities and weaknesses and encourage women to be more masculine in body, mind and action.

They despise the idea of women naturally having different responsibilities than men and see those responsibilities as less important or worth pursuing.

Feminists are women that hate the fact that they were born women and have very deep seeded jealously of men and supposed power and superiorities they have, it's all about making women less feminine and more masculine, ergo a "feminist" is someone that fucking hates femininity, it's like calling yourself "The Society for Chocolate" and you eat nothing but cheese, it's pure Orwellian Newspeak ala "ignorance is strength", it's true meaning is the polar opposite of what the word is supposed to mean.

Now, in the interest of fairness, the argument can be made that it's ok to give women OPTIONS, that's supposed to be what the whole idea was decades ago, giving women the freedom to not choose typical motherhood if that's what they really want, the trouble is that's since curdled into something that actively demonizes and dissuades women from pursuing motherhood and that is wrong, there's nothing with being a traditional mother and housewife if that's what a woman chooses to do.

We're not saying "here's option A and option B, what do you want to do?", we're saying "choosing option A over option B MAKES YOU A POOR OPPRESSED VICITM OF THE PATRIARCHY!" and that's the bullshit that needs to stop.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

I don't think feminism was a mistake per se. Basically, just don't beat us because you had a bad day or marry us at 6. Beyond that, history shows that women did have a significant amount of say in the home and quite a few had jobs outside of it. I don't even know what feminism is supposed to be now. If it is accepting troons and pedos and hating men, it is absolute bullshit I disavow. I have no idea how that even is feminism, tbh.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

I don't think feminism was a mistake per se. Basically, just don't beat us because you had a bad day or marry us at 6. Beyond that, history shows that women did have a significant amount of say in the home and quite a few had jobs outside of it. I don't even know what feminism is supposed to be now. If it is accepting troons and pedos and hating men, it is absolute bullshit I disavow. I have no idea how that even is feminism, tbh.

Any movement or idea that attempts to champion or place one group above the rest is inherently prejudiced and flawed. Feminists like to think they represent the better, stronger, more capable woman and that to be in the classic female role is somehow lesser and weaker. Feminism saying women and men should have equal rights and opportunities is sensible and agreeable. Feminism saying women and men are equally capable across the board is where we're at (or have passed that point) and it's simply not true. You don't need a biology textbook to figure out that women can't lift as much as men do, for one example.

 

[Wormy]

They despise the idea of women naturally having some biological differences men that don't necessary make them inferior, just different, they see these differences as inferiorities and weaknesses and encourage women to be more masculine in body, mind and action.

and why wouldn't they, considering that capitalism rewards masculinity in body mind and action more?

 

[cornycat]

 

[Dom Cruise]

and why wouldn't they, considering that capitalism rewards masculinity in body mind and action more?

And again, it's not good that capitalism has done that, I ain't defending capitalism.

I don't want to get too off topic but if we really want to get into it, the trouble with capitalism, with communism, with socialism is they're all secular and don't take God into account, they don't respect humanity as God made us.

Femininity is a beautiful thing that should be cherished, nurtured and valued, even if that doesn't make you a couple extra bucks, it's more important than money.

Society replacing God with money is one of the absolute core things wrong with the world today, we'll probably be getting a lesson soon as to what's more powerful too.

The wrath of God is the most terrifying thing because not only is nothing more powerful than God, but His wrath is always 100% justified, I know it's a fictional verse but the Pulp Fiction quote "and you will know my name is the LORD, when I reign my vengeance upon thee." is pretty apt.

 

[Sealbaby]

I've seen enough of their bullshit online for ten solid years to know the vast majority of feminists fucking despise femininity, any "serious" feminists who feel differently probably are not as quick to use that label or they simply don't know what it's turned into in the last decade (but I think it always was this at it's core).

Again, have you ever interacted with female charity workers, clinical psychologists, or social workers in a more than fleeting capacity? As I have seen they wish for men to be more like women and women to be more like men. They don't want to get rid of one or the other, they want more balance and flexibility for each individual. If they hated men, why would they spend their working lives trying to help people in general? Why is this so hard for people to understand? The most precious person to me in the world is my mother, and because of her femininity.

I may be wrong but you strike me as a very sheltered young person who has experienced little of life outside of what your peers have shown you and the content presented to you by your designated internet algorithms. You have apparently not spent a great deal of time outside of your comfort zone with people who are different to you - more or less educated, richer or poorer, older or younger - and what's worse you seem to be proud of it.

Young men really are out here LARPing with great pomp and circumstance as pre-modern poets when they've never even been in a serious relationship, recovered from a serious physical or mental illness, bereaved a loved one, written a long-form essay or song, or painted a painting. Yet they nonetheless feel they've lived enough to spout knockoff C.S. Lewis with confidence and pride. It inspires pity and laughter to see it.

See: the entire field known as HR.

See the entire field known as derivatives trading. See: Enron, Bear Stearns, Charles Ponzi. Jesus Christ HR is barely necessary but at least it doesn't crash the fucking economy.

 

[Wormy]

And again, it's not good that capitalism has done that, I ain't defending capitalism.

Fair enough, but that's not another one to spread around these parts. Commies ain't well liked.

I don't want to get too off topic but if we really want to get into it, the trouble with capitalism, with communism, with socialism is they're all secular and don't take God into account, they don't respect humanity as God made us.

God doesn't either. He set the whole thing up for us to fail, after all, and the only way to get out of it being some telepathic ritual involving his son.

Society replacing God with money is one of the absolute core things wrong with the world today, we'll probably be getting a lesson soon as to what's more powerful too.

The wrath of God is the most terrifying thing because not only is nothing more powerful than God, but His wrath is always 100% justified, I know it's a fictional verse but the Pulp Fiction quote "and you will know my name is the LORD, when I reign my vengeance upon thee." is pretty apt.

"I never gave any thought to what it actually meant. I just knew it was some cold blooded shit to say to someone before I popped a cap in their ass."

And 100% justified? Was it justified against Job and Job's family and friends?

Young men really are out here LARPing with great pomp and circumstance as pre-modern poets when they've never even been in a serious relationship, recovered from a serious physical or mental illness, bereaved a loved one, written a long-form essay or song, or painted a painting. Yet they nonetheless feel they've lived enough to spout knockoff C.S. Lewis with confidence and pride. It inspires pity and laughter to see it.

I'd laugh myself, but they're getting power, followers, and guns. And coming after me.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Any movement or idea that attempts to champion or place one group above the rest is inherently prejudiced and flawed. Feminists like to think they represent the better, stronger, more capable woman and that to be in the classic female role is somehow lesser and weaker. Feminism saying women and men should have equal rights and opportunities is sensible and agreeable. Feminism saying women and men are equally capable across the board is where we're at (or have passed that point) and it's simply not true. You don't need a biology textbook to figure out that women can't lift as much as men do, for one example.

Which is funny to me because time and again, the "strong empowered feminist" is almost always more miserable and less happy with life overall than the supposed "victim of the patriarchy". It's almost like playing against your strengths isn't a good idea, nor is letting some Marxist college professor dictate your beliefs to you.

 

[Wormy]

It's almost like playing against your strengths isn't a good idea, nor is letting some Marxist college professor dictate your beliefs to you.

What if those strengths aren't rewarded or are considered inferior?

Also, who should dictate your beliefs then? I ain't a fan of tenured Marxist shitheels either, but it's no less dumb than peer pressure from dead bronze age goat herders.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

What if those strengths aren't rewarded or are considered inferior?

Well that's kind of the issue with feminism, isn't it? Be a working woman. Every other option is unfeasible. Why did we tear down women instead of empowering their strengths as women?

 

[Wormy]

Well that's kind of the issue with feminism, isn't it? Be a working woman. Every other option is unfeasible. Why did we tear down women instead of empowering their strengths as women?

Ask yourself, who is more lauded and praised? A woman who got rich by charming a billionaire businessman, or the billionaire himself?

 

[The Foxtrot]

What if those strengths aren't rewarded or are considered inferior?

Also, who should dictate your beliefs then? I ain't a fan of tenured Marxist shitheels either, but it's no less dumb than peer pressure from dead bronze age goat herders.

What the fuck do you mean, "aren't rewarded or considered inferior"? By whom?
And why let anyone dictate your beliefs to you in the first place? That's an admission you outsource your thinking to others, and that ain't good.

 

[Wormy]

What the fuck do you mean, "aren't rewarded or considered inferior"? By whom?

The Market. Money is God. Profit is his son. Feminine traits aren't nearly as good as masculine at making money, and even when they do make money, they are sneered at and belittled. Men build civilizations, that's what I keep getting reminded. Why not emulate the superior product?

Hate the game, playa.

And why let anyone dictate your beliefs to you in the first place? That's an admission you outsource your thinking to others, and that ain't good.

Good idea.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Ask yourself, who is more lauded and praised? A woman who got rich by charming a billionaire businessman, or the billionaire himself?

You come back with non-sequiturs. Let me try again.

Did feminism or did feminism not disempower women who do not want to be working women?

 

[Wormy]

You come back with non-sequiturs. Let me try again.

Did feminism or did feminism not disempower women who do not want to be working women?

It didn't. Capitalism already did it. There was nothing left for feminism to destroy.