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I ll do my very best to stay extremely concise in expressing myself regarding this topic: I personally think that the idea of motherhood as a whole is a deeply unresolved topic all throughout media history.
Vast majority of cartoons or tv show do not dive into it, they simply dont. They either use it as a plot device, skim through it, or use it as a contingency element to stir up more drama. Or, even worse, they exploit it to consequently dumb down the female characters that give birth to reduce them to side pieces.
We rarely have the occasion to explore pregnancy, birth, or the first impact that a just born has on the parents. I know that some indie comic books are changing this, and taking this entire concept much more into consideration (in which way I cant say, I didnt read through them so I cant make myself an opinion about something I haven't verified first hand).
Trying very hard to not say much about myself in all of this rambling, but I stand to this point: there is nothing more feminist than defending and empowering also women that choose to become mothers. There is nothing more feminist than supporting them, giving them a character arc that explores motherhood as a destabilizing event, in the good and bad, allowing them to grow emotionally and creating a new setting that allows also the viewer or the reader to understand much better what does it mean to become a parent. As a female writer, you can educate also your male followers to understand the female experience and give them elements to become better fathers, allowing them the potential to see what does it mean to stand by your partner and properly loving and raising a child.

I am a fan of Bojack Horsemen and I appreciate it as a piece of media, but Vivienne has to understand that the level of bitterness and self destruction that the show was conveying is not something to usually strive for. BH was showing you the far end of the deepest pit of self pitiness, narcissism, self loathing that a human being can develop for his own self also as a copying mechanism of some sort, people like Bojack do exist and they are first and foremost addicts to their own miserable experience. This is not what her Millie is. I ll stop here.

Edited because of spelling mistakes,sorry
 
So Danidraws is fine with the show possibly screwing up Millie's character again by making her kill her baby just to test the fandom's morals? This is why leftist women should never be writers.
Is an abortion even like...an in universe option? Would the soul go to heaven or just get reborn in hell?

I think it's a topic that can definitely be explored in a story. But it's not something you want to go into lightly, and I really think it only works in a more "realistic" style story, not a show where your average viewer base is edgy teenagers and lonely women into gay demon angst.
 
And Viv's fans still have the nerve to say we are the evil bastards. This is why the world needs more right wing writers and artists.
Unfortunately right wing writers are only hired to write anti woke cartoons like Mr. Birchium with that one rare exception like Cerebus.
Posts like this just make me so upset that so many people treat abortion like it’s some kind of empowering thing or no big deal, just completely ignoring the trauma that it can inflict on either parent, or the risks that come with it.
That reminds me, iirc Viv says she’s inspired by (or likes) Bojack Horseman, which had an episode involving abortion that I really don’t care to watch. Think she’d take inspiration from that one?
I've seen so many reddit posts going over women who have been traumatized by their abortion and regret it every single day and men who divorced their wives because of the abortion.
Don't want to toot my horn but I've called it several posts ago.

"Test of morals"?
How about Millie keeping the child and holding a speech about how life is precious (ironic given her job, granted), how it's the moral thing to forgo one's own pleasure (like buying infinity Funkos) for the sake of one's child? Saying even something hinting at abortion being murder? And Moxxie saying something like staying with one's family being the hallmark of positive masculinity? Family being the bedrock of a functioning society? Maybe even Blitzo agreeing?

I would totally do that.
X would implode.
They're going to do what Invincible did with Eve where she selfishly gets an abortion and Mark immediately accepts it and starts making himself out to be the bad guy and the fans are going to be labeling anybody who points out the terrible writing in this plot point as being chuds.
 
They're going to do what Invincible did with Eve where she selfishly gets an abortion and Mark immediately accepts it and starts making himself out to be the bad guy and the fans are going to be labeling anybody who points out the terrible writing in this plot point as being chuds.
OT but should I watch Invincible?

That sounds terrible. Total Chud Victory!!!
 
OT but should I watch Invincible?

That sounds terrible. Total Chud Victory!!!
It's very good for the most part but the adaptation is wokified in many ways with making certain characters black and women because the creator admitted himself he regrets making his characters white men. If you want a chud coded comic series try Cerebus by Dave Sim.
 
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So Danidraws is fine with the show possibly screwing up Millie's character again by making her kill her baby just to test the fandom's morals? This is why leftist women should never be writers.
Also Viv herself said that Millie supposedly has strong ties to family, so it wouldn't make much sense for Millie's character to want to abort her baby.

Anyway, the reason why people complain about Millie being revealed to being pregnant, isn't because of some hatred to motherhood or pregnancy (I mean I'm sure there's some that think this way, but I don't think the majority does...Hopefully); they're afraid that Millie is going to get even less screentime and focus because of her being pregnant. Or that now her character is solely going to be focused on her being pregnant when we were just starting to get some crumbs from this pretty static and flat character.

It's the same kind of worry with Octavia where now that she is separated from her dad, she should be getting focus in season 3 that doesn't revolve around her relationship with her dad. But because of the patterns of the writing we have seen, not many people are hopeful of that being the case.
“Lol people are so dumb for thinking Lucifer was going to be evil”

Maybe you shouldn’t have drawn him all sinister-looking and clearly made him out to be the one who considers Charlie a failure you fucking moron
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Maybe another writer on the pilot had a different vision for Lucifer compared to Viv. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
Maybe another writer on the pilot had a different vision for Lucifer compared to Viv. Wouldn't be the first time.
I'm glad we didn't get the Lucifer in the pilot because we really don't need another abusive dad character but Vivziepop shouldn't try to gaslight her viewers into thinking that their the problem which is becoming a cliche for her.
 
I'm glad we didn't get the Lucifer in the pilot because we really don't need another abusive dad character but Vivziepop shouldn't try to gaslight her viewers into thinking that their the problem which is becoming a cliche for her.
For me, I was thinking we were going to get this very morally gray character with Lucifer. I thought that it was going to be revealed that while Lucifer did very much love his daughter, he couldn't very much understand why she would want to redeem Sinners and that would be what they would clash heads over. Thing of a Stan/Hayley dynamic from American Dad; the two have very contrasting ideologies but they still do care for one another like a dad and daughter would.

I also thought Lucifer was going to be very much like a PT. Barnum-type character:
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But instead we got the sanitized and saccharine Hugh Jackman take that is very much just PT Barnum in name alone:
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For me, I was thinking we were going to get this very morally gray character with Lucifer. I thought that it was going to be revealed that while Lucifer did very much love his daughter, he couldn't very much understand why she would want to redeem Sinners and that would be what they would clash heads over. Thing of a Stan/Hayley dynamic from American Dad; the two have very contrasting ideologies but they still do care for one another like a dad and daughter would.

I also thought Lucifer was going to be very much like a PT. Barnum-type character:
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But instead we got the sanitized and saccharine Hugh Jackman take that is very much just PT Barnum in name alone:
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A good number of musicals really do suck, especially if they're based on history. *cough* Hamilton *cough*
 
These people are so disingenuous. People are mad about Chaz because not only did he star in two "shorts" in a row, but because they were clickbaited into thinking the second "short" was going to be about Verosika. You knew that people would be pissed off by a Chaz song number, so you falsely advertised to your audience with the promise of Verosika; and she doesn't even make a cameo. You made your bed, so accept the fact that you have to lie in it as well.
 
And these two wolves are both gay for one another.
Chris Rock had a whole thing about dealing with the police. Also, innocent people don't run or put their kids in situations where they're in danger.
If she made them more distinct, got away from the 2000s Hot Topic edge, and gave them different colors then they would be good designs.
 
MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+ fandom drama summarized in 1 bluesky post. Why do all of these Indie animators heavily cater towards them if they're only going to constantly criticize and hate on everything that they do no matter how little it is? The worst part is that they always pin this harassment and toxicity on straight white men which shows their lack of self awareness.
 
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